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the real problem here is Gadgetzan Auctioneer who allowed infinit value , same for miracle Rogue 

Control is killed by reno cause you can not kill a reno deck with a control one, it out values you with bran + kazakus, and if you go to fatigue you lose because he renoes to full life...

I agree that Gadgetzan Auctioneer has issues and can be semi-toxic in terms of its usefulness in certain decks, but it doesn't single-handedly dictate the meta. Vanilla Miracle Rogue won't even exist in standard post-Tomb Pillager and Conceal, and the Miracle theorycrafts for the new Quest are pretty shit, so skeptical we will see Miracle in the meta for a long time.

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Control is killed by reno cause you can not kill a reno deck with a control one, it out values you with bran + kazakus, and if you go to fatigue you lose because he renoes to full life...

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Jade Idol IS oppressive. Jade as a mechanic is not inherently oppressive. While annoying to play against with a control deck when going against Jade Shaman or Rogue, I don't feel the utter futility I feel when knowing my primary win condition (either late-game value or fatigue) is made completely obsolete by infinite one-mana cycling golems. It's broken and unhealthy to the game state as fuck. Like literally everyone else has said here, the reason the meta is dominated by aggro and midrange is because aggro and midrange are the only archetypes fast enough to get ahead of the Jadestone, and the primary counters to aggro and midrange, control decks, are completely subdued by vomiting Jades onto the board via Jade iDumb.

Maybe an idea is to decrease the amount from 3 idols to two idols. Wouldn't completely destroy the card but would slow it down a bit.

Generating infinite value is not, and will never be, healthy for ANY game. I literally do not care if they gave us a common card that resets the Jade Counter to 1, because that wouldn't even stop a Jade Druid in full late-game mode with a deck 46 cards deep of only Jade Idols.

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Jade Idol IS oppressive. Jade as a mechanic is not inherently oppressive. While annoying to play against with a control deck when going against Jade Shaman or Rogue, I don't feel the utter futility I feel when knowing my primary win condition (either late-game value or fatigue) is made completely obsolete by infinite one-mana cycling golems. It's broken and unhealthy to the game state as fuck. Like literally everyone else has said here, the reason the meta is dominated by aggro and midrange is because aggro and midrange are the only archetypes fast enough to get ahead of the Jadestone, and the primary counters to aggro and midrange, control decks, are completely subdued by vomiting Jades onto the board via Jade iDumb.

 You have your win condition and they have theirs. If you like to win against Jade Druid and your win condition doesn't work, play another deck. There are plenty to Chose from, it doesn't have to be aggro. If you merely want your deck to be competetive, then please queue up behind me in the line, I am waiting for Midrange Hunter to be viable again.

 

As many said, it's not that its OP, but rather that it makes any value play utterly futile. Playing against jade druid is unfun, even when compared to the obviously stronger pirate warrior. Clearing a board of huge minions using your control tools, spending 10 mana and three cards is only met with a board that's even bigger a turn late.

It also makes big legendaries feel tiny: 8/8 Ragnaros used to be a big boy, and Deathwing wasn't easily toppled, but now any druid can vomit vanilla 10/10s in any matchup that goes the distance.

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Jade Idol IS oppressive. Jade as a mechanic is not inherently oppressive. While annoying to play against with a control deck when going against Jade Shaman or Rogue, I don't feel the utter futility I feel when knowing my primary win condition (either late-game value or fatigue) is made completely obsolete by infinite one-mana cycling golems. It's broken and unhealthy to the game state as fuck. Like literally everyone else has said here, the reason the meta is dominated by aggro and midrange is because aggro and midrange are the only archetypes fast enough to get ahead of the Jadestone, and the primary counters to aggro and midrange, control decks, are completely subdued by vomiting Jades onto the board via Jade iDumb.

 You have your win condition and they have theirs. If you like to win against Jade Druid and your win condition doesn't work, play another deck. There are plenty to Chose from, it doesn't have to be aggro. If you merely want your deck to be competetive, then please queue up behind me in the line, I am waiting for Midrange Hunter to be viable again.

 

Excuse me, completely forgot about Small-Time Buccaneer. However, my point stands. 3 cards are never enough to swing a deck from completely unknown to 90% winrates in a single expansion. If that's the case, there were other factors at play. Anyone could see that.

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Generating infinite value is not, and will never be, healthy for ANY game. I literally do not care if they gave us a common card that resets the Jade Counter to 1, because that wouldn't even stop a Jade Druid in full late-game mode with a deck 46 cards deep of only Jade Idols.

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Excuse me, completely forgot about Small-Time Buccaneer. However, my point stands. 3 cards are never enough to swing a deck from completely unknown to 90% winrates in a single expansion. If that's the case, there were other factors at play. Anyone could see that.

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Are we really at the point where people are defending a card that spawns infinite rising stat minions for ONE mana each?

Jade Druid is the only deck that ignores the fatigue barrier and that alone isn't good. On top of that, you have the cost/stat deal. Again, why is this even being defended? How slow the deck is or how aggro keeps it in check doesn't matter. It's existence alone is mind-boggling.

 Lol and fatigue is good for the game? Now that's mind boggling. It's also mind boggling that people think something shouldn't have something that hard counters the fuck out of it. Do you truly want this to become the most boring game in existence?

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I don't know where people get this "jade idol is the culprit of agressive meta" thing? Miracle rogue has way higher winrate across the board if we remove pirate warrior from the meta. So could I say that miracle rogue is the culprit of the aggressive meta? No, the culprit of the agressive meta is pirate warrior's strong power level (and also aggro shaman's). There is no real "counter" to this deck. Even if you make a deck and tech it fully against pirate warrior, you still can't get awesome winrate against it (well you can get pretty good but you lose every other matchup in ladder).

Jade druid is just a deck that is really strong against all slow decks but gets cucked by most other midrange decks and all aggro decks. While it might not feel fair to lose to it with your fatigue warrior, I think the more appropriate resolve to this would be giving warrior more aggressive late game/ mid game tools to finish the game (playing bunch of 1 or 2 attack minions doesn't really threathen). Or then just play more tempo oriented warrior list like dragon warrior with later curve if you really want to play your big guys (or whatever will be the go-to after xpac).

And yeah the infinite jade idol is irrelevant against anything else than control warrior (You would probly win even vs reno mage by just summoning every jade from your deck). And btw jade blossom is stronger card than jade idol.

And if you want to play meme decks like mill rogue, why don't you just concede every game against druid instantly? You aren't probly trying to get ranks anyways if you play so sub optimal decks + those decks have other as strong counters (looking at you aggro decks!)

No deck has ever been oppressive enough to completely eliminate an entire archetype from the meta before, and that should be enough of an example as to why this card needs a nerf. Before Jade Druid: A healthy meta with multiple good decks with strengths and weaknesses. After Jade Druid: Piratestone. Jadestone. Rockpaperscissorstone. It's bullshit.

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Control is killed by reno not jade idol...

 Control is being forced into Reno by a lack of viable alternatives.
That is almost the opposite of ""being killed by Reno".

The jade mechanic (including shaman and rogue) and extreme aggro contribute a lot to that.

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Control is killed by reno not jade idol...

 Control is being forced into Reno by a lack of viable alternatives.
That is almost the opposite of ""being killed by Reno".

The jade mechanic (including shaman and rogue) and extreme aggro contribute a lot to that.

 That doesn't make any sense.  Reno isn't good against Jade Druid.  Kazakus and hyper aggro force Reno as the primary control type, not Jade.  

At this point, I want them to nerf it -- not because of its power level, but because I'm so sick of all the Jade.

Spreading one powerful, monotonous mechanic across three classes was NOT a stroke of genius.

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At this point, I want them to nerf it -- not because of its power level, but because I'm so sick of all the Jade.

Spreading one powerful, monotonous mechanic across three classes was NOT a stroke of genius.