The card is OP and dumb as heck, horrible power creepy and lazy design.. but Token druid seems like it's hard countered by Shamans and now all these AOE priests so it's not something I think we'll see a ton of.
straight cutting the cost on something without nerfing the effect isnt just a little better, ITS FUCKING BROKEN AS SHIT. Lets be honest nobody summons the 3/2 with power of the wild, they put pow in their deck to utilize the +1+1 and pick that effect 99% of the time. Lets give them an already really good card but make it twice as powerful. GG blizz
Sure I mean thats why Evil Heckler is in almost every deck, I can't argue with that.
I'm just saying maybe people are overhyping this one, you have the same card, in a class that ramps mana, so often you do play it at least one mana earlier anyway. I am not saying isn't a good card it is def good. I will try it, prolly in an old school miracle token Druid for fun, and maybe Token Druid can even be competitive, it currently isn't that great so unless it gets some more help probably not.
Remember that beast Druid hype? Menagerie was way better then this, it takes a lot to make a non competitive deck competitive remember how strong the top tier is that is ceiling it must reach. Also that like POW this is a card that requires you to have minions in a class without a lot of sticky minions.
Also POW is technically still better with Fandral, I don't think that is enough reason run it over this.
I am just saying you might want to curb your enthusiasm a bit this card is very much not nuts, its good but in no way is it nuts.
Guys. Let's just imagine this for a second: Malygos token miracle druid. You run this, token druid shell, double auctioneer, ramp, maybe nourish, giants and 26 dmg burst. This sounds like the most flexible and stupidly broken fucking deck... Like this actually sounds better than old combo druid. I'm happy because i'm a druid main, but this is... this is bullshit broken with auctioneer lol.
Gonna love this card in a deck with the obvious Violet Teacher, but summoning stone as well. The fact that you can also pull 2 more from having 2 raven idol in a deck is also ridiculous. Is it safe to say Cenarius might start seeing some more play?
Sure I mean thats why Evil Heckler is in almost every deck, I can't argue with that.
I'm just saying maybe people are overhyping this one, you have the same card, in a class that ramps mana, so often you do play it at least one mana earlier anyway. I am not saying isn't a good card it is def good. I will try it, prolly in an old school miracle token Druid for fun, and maybe Token Druid can even be competitive, it currently isn't that great so unless it gets some more help probably not.
Remember that beast Druid hype? Menagerie was way better then this, it takes a lot to make a non competitive deck competitive remember how strong the top tier is that is ceiling it must reach. Also that like POW this is a card that requires you to have minions in a class without a lot of sticky minions.
Also POW is technically still better with Fandral, I don't think that is enough reason run it over this.
I am just saying you might want to curb your enthusiasm a bit this card is very much not nuts, its good but in no way is it nuts.
What the hell is going on here? Evil Heckler not being played means that this card won't be played?
Menagerie warden was overhyped by some people. Not all. If you look up the old Enchanted Raven thread. You can find me bashing the card and telling everyone to calm down because this kind of list could never work.
And furthermore beast druid didn't exist. The deck for this card already exists and is a highly competitive one, being represented quite a lot at the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
Thats to point out that knocking one mana off doesn't make a card OMG SUPER OP! BLIZZ WHY!!!!
I also said Menagerie was overhyped on the thread for that card. I compared it to a less consistent but sometimes better Savannah Highmane at the time and said it just wasn't enough to make Beast Druid good.
Beast Druid did exist. It was brought by way more players to pro tournaments then Token Druid which was brought by Hamster who intentionally bringing anti-meta decks. Pro championship decks not as a rule but often don't perform on ladder as well as they do in tournaments. I tried to learn Beast before Menageries by watching some of the people that brought it play it on stream and they said on stream it wasn't a good ladder deck.
Again, I'm not saying this card is bad and won't be played. I just saying it is EXTREMELY overhyped on here lol. It is slightly better then a card that exists. It is a good card, and you probably replace Power of the Wild with it where ever you run that card now, and I will definitely try a Tokken, or Miracle Tokken build with it but I don't expect it to break the world. You probably shouldn't either. Especially with Living Roots rotating out soon.
You do realize that Power of the Wild is a 2 mana Druid card that gives you the "Choose One" effect of summoning a 3/2 or buff all friendly minions by +1/+1.
There's no way this card should be "at least" 2 mana as at 2 mana you already have a better card than this.
Of course, as it stands now this card does seem seem ridiculously OP in token druid (and just OP in value as is), but if you ever really payed attention when you played and noticed the popular Power of the WIld card you'd see how ludicrous your statement just sounded.
Its definitely 100% nuts. Your comparisons are way off base, your comparing a more viable version of a terrible card where I'm comparing a double strength version of an already played card and even really important card in token druid. We aren't talking about an op card that makes a non viable deck good we are talking about an already viable deck with an already viable card doubling in strength. Compare it to any buff in the game at all from any class and the raw value for the mana cost is absolutely insane. Its literally half the value of an everyfin is awesome but at a 7th of the mana cost. Sure everyfin gets cheaper but if you've ever played it for 5 mana or less you know its op as fuck at that range. This even being released is stupid. An already top tier deck is gonna rise even higher with this.
Well, this card is obviously very good. In a world where a 2 mana +1/+1 to all minions spell is a good card, a 1 mana +1/+1 to all minions spell is a very good card.
One thing I've noticed with this expansion is Blizzard is really reinforcing some already existing deck archetypes. Obviously this card is a great addition to token druid. Just like Small-Time Recruits is really good in those paladin swarm decks and Counterfeit Coin is going to be really good in Miracle Rogue.
Does this card show how Blizzard will just put no though in keeping cards balanced between classes? This card craps on Divine Strength, Competitive Spirit, Wisps of the Old Gods, and Everyfin is Awesome.
Another example of giving players the wrong incentives. The way this works best is to build a board with cheap stuff and buff it just out removal reach. Especially with patches this enables druid to do some really crazy stuff on turn 1 with innervate.
Anytime I got to play everyfin is awesome for less than 4 I thought it was insanely OP... but this? WHAT THE FUCK BLIZZARD THIS IS BROKEN AS FUCK.
The card is OP and dumb as heck, horrible power creepy and lazy design.. but Token druid seems like it's hard countered by Shamans and now all these AOE priests so it's not something I think we'll see a ton of.
straight cutting the cost on something without nerfing the effect isnt just a little better, ITS FUCKING BROKEN AS SHIT. Lets be honest nobody summons the 3/2 with power of the wild, they put pow in their deck to utilize the +1+1 and pick that effect 99% of the time. Lets give them an already really good card but make it twice as powerful. GG blizz
Sure I mean thats why Evil Heckler is in almost every deck, I can't argue with that.
I'm just saying maybe people are overhyping this one, you have the same card, in a class that ramps mana, so often you do play it at least one mana earlier anyway. I am not saying isn't a good card it is def good. I will try it, prolly in an old school miracle token Druid for fun, and maybe Token Druid can even be competitive, it currently isn't that great so unless it gets some more help probably not.
Remember that beast Druid hype? Menagerie was way better then this, it takes a lot to make a non competitive deck competitive remember how strong the top tier is that is ceiling it must reach. Also that like POW this is a card that requires you to have minions in a class without a lot of sticky minions.
Also POW is technically still better with Fandral, I don't think that is enough reason run it over this.
I am just saying you might want to curb your enthusiasm a bit this card is very much not nuts, its good but in no way is it nuts.
Yeah, Blizzard is definitely trying to encourage Aggro Druid.
Gonna love this card in a deck with the obvious Violet Teacher, but summoning stone as well. The fact that you can also pull 2 more from having 2 raven idol in a deck is also ridiculous. Is it safe to say Cenarius might start seeing some more play?
Evil Heckler not being played means that this card won't be played?
The deck for this card already exists and is a highly competitive one, being represented quite a lot at the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
Thats to point out that knocking one mana off doesn't make a card OMG SUPER OP! BLIZZ WHY!!!!
I also said Menagerie was overhyped on the thread for that card. I compared it to a less consistent but sometimes better Savannah Highmane at the time and said it just wasn't enough to make Beast Druid good.
Beast Druid did exist. It was brought by way more players to pro tournaments then Token Druid which was brought by Hamster who intentionally bringing anti-meta decks. Pro championship decks not as a rule but often don't perform on ladder as well as they do in tournaments. I tried to learn Beast before Menageries by watching some of the people that brought it play it on stream and they said on stream it wasn't a good ladder deck.
Again, I'm not saying this card is bad and won't be played. I just saying it is EXTREMELY overhyped on here lol. It is slightly better then a card that exists. It is a good card, and you probably replace Power of the Wild with it where ever you run that card now, and I will definitely try a Tokken, or Miracle Tokken build with it but I don't expect it to break the world. You probably shouldn't either. Especially with Living Roots rotating out soon.
I really hope other classes get good board clears or Druid will join Shamans in tier 1. That card is OP!
Not too powerful, not too weak either, if you have control of the board or need an extra push to survive or kill certain minions this is good.
There's no way this card should be "at least" 2 mana as at 2 mana you already have a better card than this.
Of course, as it stands now this card does seem seem ridiculously OP in token druid (and just OP in value as is), but if you ever really payed attention when you played and noticed the popular Power of the WIld card you'd see how ludicrous your statement just sounded.
Its definitely 100% nuts. Your comparisons are way off base, your comparing a more viable version of a terrible card where I'm comparing a double strength version of an already played card and even really important card in token druid. We aren't talking about an op card that makes a non viable deck good we are talking about an already viable deck with an already viable card doubling in strength. Compare it to any buff in the game at all from any class and the raw value for the mana cost is absolutely insane. Its literally half the value of an everyfin is awesome but at a 7th of the mana cost. Sure everyfin gets cheaper but if you've ever played it for 5 mana or less you know its op as fuck at that range. This even being released is stupid. An already top tier deck is gonna rise even higher with this.
Well, this card is obviously very good. In a world where a 2 mana +1/+1 to all minions spell is a good card, a 1 mana +1/+1 to all minions spell is a very good card.
One thing I've noticed with this expansion is Blizzard is really reinforcing some already existing deck archetypes. Obviously this card is a great addition to token druid. Just like Small-Time Recruits is really good in those paladin swarm decks and Counterfeit Coin is going to be really good in Miracle Rogue.
It is a good time to be a token druid player.
Does this card show how Blizzard will just put no though in keeping cards balanced between classes? This card craps on Divine Strength, Competitive Spirit, Wisps of the Old Gods, and Everyfin is Awesome.
Justicar Trueheart in Rogue?
I love it! I'll try this in some kind of token deck, for sure.
LOL, We get the card too@@@@!!!!!
Another example of giving players the wrong incentives. The way this works best is to build a board with cheap stuff and buff it just out removal reach. Especially with patches this enables druid to do some really crazy stuff on turn 1 with innervate.
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