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Quote from Dr_Lawl jump

Having a really hard time with Giant Mage, any advice?

Hey, I have a detailed write-up about halfway down this page:

http://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/class-discussion/warrior/61776-top-200-legend-cw-advice?page=4

Quote from Draco_Cracona jump

I see a lot of midrange paladins, although not as many as aggro secret ones. I just played four in a row, for example- maybe it's another facet of EU vs US meta, maybe it's that my rank sucks because of these paladins and because I ain't great, maybe it's both. I've had a T4 QM happen to me a few times, and against slower paladin builds, which can be indistinguishable from aggro ones if there's no 1-drop drawn (T2 juggler, T3 muster, for example), I feel like I have to assume the worst. I'm trying a no rev/WW build atm, and it feels risky at times because of that.

Midrange paladin is nearly impossible for any CW build, especially if it's midrange-token.

Unstable ghoul is fine to have, I'd recommend this on the EU meta: 

http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/331642-top-2-legend-control-warrior

I really like his build, altho as a personal thing I like double brawl.

Quote from albrot jump

So I just played 14 games and lost 12 of them.  I'm not conceited enough to think it's the deck's fault though.  It just felt like I had no answers while I was playing.  I don't have Justicar, so I subbed in an Emperor (something others said they were running).  I'm also running one Bash in place of a Shield Block.

My matches were:

Druid 0-1
Hunter 0-2 (both midrange)
Mage 1-1 (Both mech)
Paladin 0-2 (Both ran secrets)
Priest 0-4 (Dragon)
Warlock 0-2 (One handlock, one zoo)
Warrior 1-0 (Patron)

The worst part is that I can only recall what I did wrong in about half the match ups.  The others felt like I played OK.  Control Warrior is very new to me so I'm willing to learn, but it's frustrating to lose so much.

Based on the statistics, I'm confident in saying it's a learning issue, but it's a ranked-game like any other. Practice practice practice! I never played any other TCG personally, and it took me quite a few games, now it's a lot easier. Also watching streamers really help.

I played multiple dragon priests, and even a top20 legend one and never had an issue. Basically, brawl value is the breadwinner in this matchup, and you have to use all removal well. Handlock is extremely hard if they play just decent, zoo can be iffy if they have a good hand. Secret paladin, well, you just have to play against it a bunch to figure out what the best plays are.

Hunter isn't hard unless you get an extremely unfortunate hand, although that goes with any aggro/hunter deck.

It's hard to be specific with the sample size, but it's mostly likely wasting/misusing removal.

Quote from Peteravens05 jump

I think more and more players who post CW lists without Bash are making a mistake.

I just like cards that cycle, and shieldslam combos. I added one in because in my old deathlord-based list and I like it to deal with shredder for sure.

Quote from Lajsu jump

I do not really get why people do not put Piloted Shredder in their control warrior decks.  Same goes with Bash instead of Shield Block . It improves matchups so immensely vs all midrange decks, especially druid and hunter.
And i have a question, is advertising my own deck a bit lame? Cause i made completely different control warrior deck

That's fine, it's a discussion. The only reason I have for posting this is because I had around a ~65% winrate in the current meta with this deck, and most peoples goals are to reach legend, no? So suggestions and improvements are always welcome!

Quote from Mindtime jump

Like you are saying, Sludge Belcher tends to be prone to Silence and thus giving a false sense of security in some cases. Which is an obvious drawback with the card. This however gets alleviated if your deck runs more targets that are high value silence targets, such as Sylvanas Windrunner for instance. 

^This. Also, you must always think: I assume he has silence. Do I have any plays that will be better? If I play belcher here can I recover with a card currently in my hand? If he has owl+Blessing of Kings can I brawl with value?

That type of thinking.

Quote from badassnewbie jump

Hey Mendi, thanks for posting your decklist and guide.

What's your opinion on Nexus-Champion Saraad?  I really like running him, but does running him absolutely ruin my deck?  Also, what is a good tech choice vs secret paladin?

I'd recommend making a inspire-control warrior if you want to run N-CS.

http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/325886-p4wnys-inspire-warrior-70-winrate-full-video

P4wnys has a great decklist for this!

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Firstly, remember one of the downsides of running control is getting horrid hands often. Sometimes, unwinnable hands. That's just a part of CW. I'd replace a cruel taskmaster for a revenge probably as a tech.

But running that much AoE is cancerous, so I'd also remove a brawl for something else, you could put in Harrison or emperor. (Without another legendary, running x1 brawl weakens your mirror-matchup potential.

Quote from DarkSoulz123 jump

I played a similar deck, but I always lose in fatigue as this deck has too much draw, double shield block is draw, double acolyte will draw you lets say another 3 cards on average because they will die easily, although its possible to get much more cards out of it, and then we have varian which is more card draw.

Once you enter fatigue its game over against other control decks

Edit: I always enter fatigue like 5 turns before my opponent against other control decks, I would recommend -1 shield block and -1 acolyte for +2 bash as they are very good vs aggro and good it can save you big face damage that you might need to take with your weapon in some cases.

I never had any issue against other Control Warriors. I usually don't play Varian at all VS other control warriors unless x2 brawls have been used. Should be using Sylvanas over it anyway.

Quote from redhairedbeast jump

Sure double cruel fits so well against aggro? Im not really sure. Specially to mulligan him might be good sometimes, but against all 2hp early threats of which we see most at the moment because of Pala, i dont see him that good. Why dont search for a Revenge to swap and a bash?

Why do you think Varian is bad? Just because of the Battlecrys you might loose? Nah i dont think its bad. If you draw Alex you have a big body for free. If you draw Justicar, he has to remove it too or you get a really nice trade or free 6 dmg off. Even only carddraw which is very rare isnt bad at all.

Does Baron Geddon perform really so well? 

 

Ps: Well that comment sounds like pure" hate" ( kappa ) and as i likely wanted to destroy your beautiful deck Oo But in fact its my favorite deck of all time, so i just wanted to know about your thoughts on my words. Greetings reaching Legend with in in a run bro ;) Sometime ill manage to do that too. hopefully lol

Geddon is nice with an all in paladin or facehunter, and it's one of my favorite BGH baits VS other control.

Varian is too slow and if he happens to sit in your starting hand it's depressing. Also sylv is great, I just wanted to try varian for a run.

Taskmaster works well against everything that isn't secret pally, and yes, prob 60% of games were versus secret pally. It's hard, but once you get a consistent plan and feel for the deck its 60/40 your favor.

Quote from RachetDaxter jump

SOOOO DAMN EXPENSIVE, btw is there a substitute for ysera?

 

That's why it's nicknamed wallet warrior :D

Ysera is too good when used well, so not really, sorry :(

Quote from OnlyArion jump

I don't know if you wanna try it, but here's an midrange Warrior decklist. It's not that slow as control warrior, but more control than aggro.

[TGT] Arion's Midrange Warrior +GUIDE Unknown Deck by OnlyArion - Sep 15, 2015 View Deck String Export to BBCode Export to Cockatrice Export to MarkDown Export to Html Clone this deck
Minion (20) 1x Dr. Boom 1x Grommash Hellscream 1x Harrison Jones 1x Loatheb 1x Sylvanas Windrunner 1x Varian Wrynn 1x Big Game Hunter 2x Armorsmith 2x Frothing Berserker 2x Sludge Belcher 2x Acolyte of Pain 2x Cruel Taskmaster 1x Ironbeak Owl 2x Piloted Shredder	Ability (6) 1x Brawl 1x Revenge 2x Bash 1x Execute 1x Shield Block	Weapon (4) 2x Death's Bite 2x Fiery War Axe
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 Maybe it should be a try worth.

I'd recommend a Dragon midrange warrior. I'd do a quick write up if I wasn't on mobile, but it'll be a lot more fluid than your current build.

Quote from skinnypupp jump

I don't know what the meta was like when you had success with this, but it's way too slow, at least against the opponents I'm queueing into. Even with double brawl, you still get shit on by fast decks with a lot of cheap minions.

And of course that's literally all I am getting in my first 5 games so far.

This deck was designed with face decks in mind, and with a deck like secret paladin tbh, even tho CW is generally easy to play, you have to think way ahead. Face Hunter and regular aggro decks shouldn't be an issue tbh, you can try the sen'jin build but you'll be weaker to control.

Quote from OnlyArion jump

I really prefer to play Sylvanas over Varian Wrynn. Varian seems not that good in CW. It's too slow  vs. aggro (in the most cases) and not that effective vs. control as is should be.

As stated above, that's what I'd recommend. I just placed it in the decklist because it's what I ran. Sylvanas Windrunner is way better!

Quote from bdominoo jump

Is Justicar Trueheart really that important? I don't have Baron Geddon and Justicar Trueheart . Which one should i craft? I'm using Varian Wrynn .

I'd say justicar. X2 brawl is plenty. 

Quote from harmaeusmora jump

I have replaced  Ysera with The Skeleton Knight it's faster and i usually get the card back, better againts early game decks (its also a good match with kelthuzad)

Ysera is the worst thing to replace honestly. The issue with skeleton knight is it dies to plenty/all 4 drops, and it's not fast; it's actually slow. A 6drop that dies to any 4 drop/any 2drop+abusive for example. An issue with KT is it requires you to already have a board and as CW if you have the board you probably won already.