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I fully agree on your point regarding that brawl, though. I won the first game as well, was annoyed by at least two allies who were reluctant to sacrifice their Zombie and grant me 5 life but in the end the brawl is fun. Difficult but manageable. Of course you will loose games due to misplays of your opponents but on the other hand, you might make a misplay at some point as well and annoy your ally. Belongs all to the game, I guess :-)

Blizzard is running a business.  Hearthstone makes more money for them the more players they get to play the game.  So their efforts are always going to be something like 75% directed at gaining new players.  Their business model is MASSIVE multiplayer.  Not FOCUSED ELITE Multiplayer.  This is not some indie company run by a bunch of commie hipsters (no offense to the commie hipsters out there, we luv ya).  

They will do whatever they need to do to expand the game's appeal, and will try their best to balance that with producing a good game that continues to appeal to hard core players.  But when push comes to shove, its all about new player acquisition.

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It's not them who ruin game for you.

It's You who ruin game for them.

So, it is my fault for not being bad at this game and also because I don't let them have easy wins in a competitive enviroment. Yeah, that make sense... sigh...

 >Tavern Brawl

>Competitive

Topkek

 

Also, Hearthstone is their "casual" game, accept it or not, but they won't change that just because you feel like going full pro and elitist

If you want a game that caters to more "hardcore" players, Hearthstone should really be the last option for you. Blizzard specifically markets it as a CCG for the casual player. It's mechanics and interface are specifically designed to be casual and simplistic. If you want something much more hardcore try Magic the Gathering: Online. This isn't me trolling, I play both, and MTG will always be the place for much more complex lines of play and deck construction. If you're looking for a F2P game that isn't friendly towards casual players or unskilled players, try something like DotA2 or Wildstar, but this isn't the place.

Couple of things:

1) What is the current ratio of hardcore/casual players?

2) How are you going to make money without casual players?

Thanks,

$$$$

I empathize with OP concerns. I love this game, I've invested in this game (money&time) and I'm very interested to see that Hearthstone  will be a healthy and viable game many years to come. Probably the OP should formulate differently. Not casual or bad players, but eternal whiners, passer byers, who are playing a couple of games and immediately start to complain about op cards, decks, dust, gold, slots, everything. 

I'm too really concerned with these waves of complains, non stop nerfs&buffs demands. I hope the dev team can discriminate between these complains and constructive criticism.

A game can be ruined easily  by the community too. So, we, who play regularly and invest time and money, have all the rights to counter this nonsense noise. 

We have to make our voice heard too, otherwise, the whiners will become the voice and face of the community. And yes, we should post also when we are happy with the state of the game. 

Imo now, Hearthstone is much more healthy than these "players" make it to look like. I'm very happy with the game but not so happy with the direction of the community. 

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I empathize with OP concerns. I love this game, I've invested in this game (money&time) and I'm very interested to see that Hearthstone  will be a healthy and viable game many years to come. Probably the OP should formulate differently. Not casual or bad players, but eternal whiners, passer byers, who are playing a couple of games and immediately start to complain about op cards, decks, dust, gold, slots, everything. 

I'm too really concerned with these waves of complains, non stop nerfs&buffs demands. I hope the dev team can discriminate between these complains and constructive criticism.

A game can be ruined easily  by the community too. So, we, who play regularly and invest time and money, have all the rights to counter this nonsense noise. 

We have to make our voice heard too, otherwise, the whiners will become the voice and face of the community. And yes, we should post also when we are happy with the state of the game. 

Imo now, Hearthstone is much more healthy than these "players" make it to look like. I'm very happy with the game but not so happy with the direction of the community. 

 

 

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Well, the way I see it the problem doesn't really reside with the "casuals". In fact, that group of players is healthy for the game in my opinion, as they do make up a fairly massive portion of the player base (just as players and "e-sport" viewers, etc).

Now the way you put it yourself is that it's Blizzard making things easy. Personally I don't think it's because they're trying to appeal to anyone (look at the state of the game back in Classic / Naxxramas). And since when do Blizzard listen to their customers (and especially in Hearthstone)? In my opinion things like Mysterious Challenger isn't a product designed to make a retarded deck for everyone to play and have it easy. It's a  Design > Q&A failure - and so far we've seen a few of those.

Now hear me out. I love skill and challenge in Hearthstone and I think after all this time, the current state of the game is the absolute worst it has ever been. But I don't think it's because Blizzard are trying to make it easy. I think it's because they're struggling as designers to keep up their balance / good concepts with growing amount of cards. I don't think they're trying to dumb down the game, but they just need to step up and make meaningful cards so that meta has actual variety and skill-based decks that feel rewarding to play.

Ok, that is a good answer, and I hope than that is actually what is happening.

This brawl was the most interesting and fun yet. I hope scrub complaints don't prevent future co op brawls.

One thing is that those who complain are by far the loudest, it gives the illusion that it is a large mob consisting of the majority when really it is likely just a few sourpusses

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Thank you, Grok and Sherman, for acknowledging this.
If the people in concern of the title were "eternal whiners", not "casuals and bad players", I'd support this as wholeheartedly as I thought before the OP is a dick otherwise. I know this is internet and whatnot, but in general, I think we need to tone down in multiple thread and areas. Calling absolutes is rarely a good thing, even more so in the situations where it's easy to fall victim to the vocal minority situations.

Yes, I think the whining is the real cancer to the game. Not face hunter, not secret paladin, not newbs in training or players with incomplete collection, not Force Roar, not casuals that realize their gimmick decks have a hard time beating refined competitive ones, not F2Players that know their grind is gonna be slow.
The whiners, crybabies, nerfcallers, rage-frienders, shit-posters.

It just happens that overshot calls ("bad players are bad for the game", "Face Hunter is broken unbeatable", "I hate you, you have different opinion then me", "Everybody hates aggro" etc.) tend to kinda invalidate even well-suited and well-thought ideas. For everyone: Think twice. Shower off the salt and think again. Now, you can put your criticism into words - mind you, constructive words open to discussion. Calling everyone and everything else "idiots" and "cancer" doesn't help. If you don't agree with someone's opinion, it's much better to use data to convince him/her and if not, agree to disagree, then start with ad hominem attacks or overshooting massively.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not accusing Sherman as OP from all this. It's just an all-around idea that happens to touch with this thread's topic and sometimes rhetorics.

What is the difference between being good and having good RNG in the current state of HS??

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This brawl was the most interesting and fun yet. I hope scrub complaints don't prevent future co op brawls.

One thing is that those who complain are by far the loudest, it gives the illusion that it is a large mob consisting of the majority when really it is likely just a few sourpusses

+1 for new title

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Attention seeking thread.

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What is the difference between being good and having good RNG in the current state of HS??

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What is the difference between being good and having good RNG in the current state of HS??

 The difference is knowing that Luck isn't a stat and, thus, over time, your RNG will equal to everyone else's.  For all of the jokes and Trolden videos, Huffer actually does show up 1/3rd of the time for all players.

 

 

If you need casual gamers? Yes, of course... only a very minor minority play this as anything but a game, and those are the ones who are the main source of income. Be thankful that they make the game you take so seriously possible.

Also, discounting people who complain about MC as "whiners" is horribad. Anyone who has to eyes and the ability to be rational knows that the card and the main decks it is played are completely broken; very powerful and easily the easiest viable deck to play in HS' existence. Discount as "whine" all you want, but some people want this to be a competitive game... if I wanted a single player game I'd play against the computer.

I'm not saying everything is now, before, and in the future perfectly balanced and okay in Hearthstone.  However we all know that there are quite a few whiners who will always find something to complain about regardless of what changes.  Even if Blizzard catered exclusively to such people they would never be satisfied, they would still lose to players who actually know what they are doing and try to blame something else in the game.  

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I'm not saying everything is now, before, and in the future perfectly balanced and okay in Hearthstone.  However we all know that there are quite a few whiners who will always find something to complain about regardless of what changes.  Even if Blizzard catered exclusively to such people they would never be satisfied, they would still lose to players who actually know what they are doing and try to blame something else in the game.