Umm, big priest can also use the "summon a 5/5 copy of a minion in your deck". I would argue the biggest problem with big priest is that there is no exile mechanic and thus no way to interact with the deck. Once they start resurrecting there is no play around. If they move barnes to 6 mana then the only counter is agro/tempo. There is no control counter since you cannot do anything to disrupt the big priest
Umm, big priest can also use the "summon a 5/5 copy of a minion in your deck". I would argue the biggest problem with big priest is that there is no exile mechanic and thus no way to interact with the deck. Once they start resurrecting there is no play around. If they move barnes to 6 mana then the only counter is agro/tempo. There is no control counter since you cannot do anything to disrupt the big priest
no, the problem is eternal servitude, barnes is just a filler in that deck
About Elysiana, 100% sure they will nerf her, coz they said about Pro games bla bla bla and 100% proof they will change her.
Waiting WC Blizz will see a lot of broken rogues and 1 hour long wars mirrors and nerf Elysiana and some rogues cards.
About Barnes and Bloodbloom, not so sure, they can cancel nerf again. Looks like they are alright with Barnes...
I really wish they wouldn't. I just spent a lot of dust getting my control shaman up to par (which I never even needed to do as lord behold, my intial deck is now the best rated control shaman on hs replay... I just spent a lot of dust, for nothing. LoL, I guess thats what happens when you let a bunch of strangers on a forum give you deck advice, hahaha)) if they nerf elysiana it will waste yet more of my dust.
the only way nerfing a big card like that makes any sense to me is if we get the dust back without having to dust the card, otherwise I'm between a rock and a hard place. other cards become useless without her, so I need more f'ing dust back than just 1600 from her. There's an entire deck built around fatigue and I'm sure I'm not the only one that built the whole thing from scratch.
builds a tier 4 or 5 deck thinking "this won't get nerfed" gets f'ing nerfed.
that's blizzard for ya.
yeah, I think I'll be annoyed if they nerf her based on esports.
Elysiana: Add 5 random Charge minions in your hand. They now have Rush instead
Haahha i know they will do smt like that when nerf a card
As a CW main I cant stand Elysiana either. But I have to include both Banker and her for mirror match in ladder. I also wish I can add 2 more anti aggro / token tech instead lol
maybe just making her cost 9 or 10 mana then, to prevent the baleful?
I'm not hot on her being removed as control mirror matches are my favourite thing right now. so sick of these games that last 45 rounds man, I wanna get into it for half an hour and then loose because control shaman is crap compared to control warrior. I don't play to win as much though, I play what I think is fun.
basically nerfing her will hurt control shaman as well, which is tier 4 or 5 deck. so nerfing her makes little sense to me tbh. they should nerf something else in control warrior. the stupid bomb stuff for starters.
Elysiana: Add 5 random Charge minions in your hand. They now have Rush instead
Haahha i know they will do smt like that when nerf a card
As a CW main I cant stand Elysiana either. But I have to include both Banker and her for mirror match in ladder. I also wish I can add 2 more anti aggro / token tech instead lol
maybe just making her cost 9 or 10 mana then, to prevent the baleful?
I'm not hot on her being removed as control mirror matches are my favourite thing right now. so sick of these games that last 45 rounds man, I wanna get into it for half an hour and then loose because control shaman is crap compared to control warrior. I don't play to win as much though, I play what I think is fun.
basically nerfing her will hurt control shaman as well, which is tier 4 or 5 deck. so nerfing her makes little sense to me tbh. they should nerf something else in control warrior. the stupid bomb stuff for starters.
What's wrong with Elysiana? So tournament games run long, big deal.
Cards shouldn't be nerfed for the sake of tournament health; they need to just ban certain cards from tournament decklists. Yogg should have never been nerfed.
Completely agree.
Banned them from Ranked too then, and i'll agree
Because, I certainly don't want to be forced to play a card just because other players want to keep playing her, and I certainly don't want to face that rng fest yogg in ranked ever again even in wild.
This reads like, "I don't want to adapt to the meta, but I expect the nerfs to cater to me instead."
I did adapt though (look at the deck in my signature). Although I wouldn't call adapting to the meta. Adapting to the meta is when you play a tech card to counter another type of card that sees play. Archivist Elysiana just requires you to play her just to have a chance against other control decks running her.
And again you didn't answer : why making elysiana 10 mana would make her any less fun?
Or why being forced to play casual with her would make her any less fun?
If the meta has control decks running Elysiana, then one way to adapt to it is to run Elysiana yourself.
Sounds like you just don't like the Baleful/Brewmaster combo? Why not?
Why would I?
Make the game last +45 minutes.
Make the game more RNG dependant as one player can get screwed by just having a better elysiana than the other.
Risk hitting the turn limit, ending the game in a tie which is a very unsatisfying conclusion. (that's the personal worse thing about it for me).
Make your deck worst against every non control deck.
And don't get me wrong, if elysiana only made the difference in winrate 5% (which is already a lot), i wouldn't mind, I wouldn't be forced to play her. But in my experience, not running elysiana and facing an elysiana control deck is pretty much a loss most of the time, as the difference in fatigue and ressources is that significant.
None of those reasons are evidence that the card is problematic.
so now : why would she less fun if you made her cost ten mana? or if you could only play her in casual?
Because it's less fun to be restricted to a certain mode in order to play a card I want. Because spending 10 mana on one minion is less fun than spending 8 mana on one minion and Brewmastering her back into hand for 2 more. Because I like long games and shuffing a bunch of random crap into my deck. Because I'm the kind of player who thinks it's hilarious to shuffle 20+ copies of Tess into my deck.
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What's wrong with Elysiana? So tournament games run long, big deal.
Cards shouldn't be nerfed for the sake of tournament health; they need to just ban certain cards from tournament decklists. Yogg should have never been nerfed.
Completely agree.
Banned them from Ranked too then, and i'll agree
Because, I certainly don't want to be forced to play a card just because other players want to keep playing her, and I certainly don't want to face that rng fest yogg in ranked ever again even in wild.
This reads like, "I don't want to adapt to the meta, but I expect the nerfs to cater to me instead."
I did adapt though (look at the deck in my signature). Although I wouldn't call adapting to the meta. Adapting to the meta is when you play a tech card to counter another type of card that sees play. Archivist Elysiana just requires you to play her just to have a chance against other control decks running her.
And again you didn't answer : why making elysiana 10 mana would make her any less fun?
Or why being forced to play casual with her would make her any less fun?
If the meta has control decks running Elysiana, then one way to adapt to it is to run Elysiana yourself.
Sounds like you just don't like the Baleful/Brewmaster combo? Why not?
Why would I?
Make the game last +45 minutes.
Make the game more RNG dependant as one player can get screwed by just having a better elysiana than the other.
Risk hitting the turn limit, ending the game in a tie which is a very unsatisfying conclusion. (that's the personal worse thing about it for me).
Make your deck worst against every non control deck.
And don't get me wrong, if elysiana only made the difference in winrate 5% (which is already a lot), i wouldn't mind, I wouldn't be forced to play her. But in my experience, not running elysiana and facing an elysiana control deck is pretty much a loss most of the time, as the difference in fatigue and ressources is that significant.
None of those reasons are evidence that the card is problematic.
so now : why would she less fun if you made her cost ten mana? or if you could only play her in casual?
Because it's less fun to be restricted to a certain mode in order to play a card I want. Because spending 10 mana on one minion is less fun than spending 8 mana on one minion and Brewmastering her back into hand for 2 more. Because I like long games and shuffing a bunch of random crap into my deck. Because I'm the kind of player who thinks it's hilarious to shuffle 20+ copies of Tess into my deck.
elysia isn't problematic beyond giving us amazing, long games. (which to me is "amazing", I've wanted this for ages now. had an entire 2 years almost of combo meta. we finally get a good control game and it gets ruined because of esports)
she's getting nerfed cos "esports" dude. that's wak.
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it's fine to make me sit through the solitaire of nomi priest. completly boring an uninteractive gameplay, with the opponent droping snarky emotes every few seconds. I honestly just concede against them. most annoying deck on the planet right now.
but they nerf elysia, literally effects 2 or 3 decks right now, as they're the only ones that will make it that far.
only because it will make the run time of esports go through the roof.
heres a thought, just ban the card from tournies. not hard is it... but noooo, we all have to suffer.
Umm, big priest can also use the "summon a 5/5 copy of a minion in your deck". I would argue the biggest problem with big priest is that there is no exile mechanic and thus no way to interact with the deck. Once they start resurrecting there is no play around. If they move barnes to 6 mana then the only counter is agro/tempo. There is no control counter since you cannot do anything to disrupt the big priest
no, the problem is eternal servitude, barnes is just a filler in that deck
Are you serious ? Barnes is played to add a minion to your ress pool so you can use ES on the next turn, War Golem is a better filler card than Barnes in Big Priest.
Umm, big priest can also use the "summon a 5/5 copy of a minion in your deck". I would argue the biggest problem with big priest is that there is no exile mechanic and thus no way to interact with the deck. Once they start resurrecting there is no play around. If they move barnes to 6 mana then the only counter is agro/tempo. There is no control counter since you cannot do anything to disrupt the big priest
no, the problem is eternal servitude, barnes is just a filler in that deck
Are you serious ? Barnes is played to add a minion to your ress pool so you can use ES on the next turn, War Golem is a better filler card than Barnes in Big Priest.
Agreed ! Barnes is kept in 100% of muligans and then has 78% win rate Barnes is the issue.
Umm, big priest can also use the "summon a 5/5 copy of a minion in your deck". I would argue the biggest problem with big priest is that there is no exile mechanic and thus no way to interact with the deck. Once they start resurrecting there is no play around. If they move barnes to 6 mana then the only counter is agro/tempo. There is no control counter since you cannot do anything to disrupt the big priest
no, the problem is eternal servitude, barnes is just a filler in that deck
nothing wrong with elysisna. either they remove the card or leave it as it is. it works as intended.
bloodbloom and barnes are broken though. they allow for totally busted wild decks, not even the same ballpark.
I really wish they wouldn't. I just spent a lot of dust getting my control shaman up to par (which I never even needed to do as lord behold, my intial deck is now the best rated control shaman on hs replay... I just spent a lot of dust, for nothing. LoL, I guess thats what happens when you let a bunch of strangers on a forum give you deck advice, hahaha)) if they nerf elysiana it will waste yet more of my dust.
the only way nerfing a big card like that makes any sense to me is if we get the dust back without having to dust the card, otherwise I'm between a rock and a hard place. other cards become useless without her, so I need more f'ing dust back than just 1600 from her. There's an entire deck built around fatigue and I'm sure I'm not the only one that built the whole thing from scratch.
builds a tier 4 or 5 deck thinking "this won't get nerfed" gets f'ing nerfed.
that's blizzard for ya.
yeah, I think I'll be annoyed if they nerf her based on esports.
They can make Barnes like 7 mana or something. So Big Priest shapes around Catrina and maybe Vargoth.
no, the problem is eternal servitude
maybe just making her cost 9 or 10 mana then, to prevent the baleful?
I'm not hot on her being removed as control mirror matches are my favourite thing right now. so sick of these games that last 45 rounds man, I wanna get into it for half an hour and then loose because control shaman is crap compared to control warrior. I don't play to win as much though, I play what I think is fun.
basically nerfing her will hurt control shaman as well, which is tier 4 or 5 deck. so nerfing her makes little sense to me tbh. they should nerf something else in control warrior. the stupid bomb stuff for starters.
maybe just making her cost 9 or 10 mana then, to prevent the baleful?
I'm not hot on her being removed as control mirror matches are my favourite thing right now. so sick of these games that last 45 rounds man, I wanna get into it for half an hour and then loose because control shaman is crap compared to control warrior. I don't play to win as much though, I play what I think is fun.
basically nerfing her will hurt control shaman as well, which is tier 4 or 5 deck. so nerfing her makes little sense to me tbh. they should nerf something else in control warrior. the stupid bomb stuff for starters.
None of those reasons are evidence that the card is problematic.
Because it's less fun to be restricted to a certain mode in order to play a card I want. Because spending 10 mana on one minion is less fun than spending 8 mana on one minion and Brewmastering her back into hand for 2 more. Because I like long games and shuffing a bunch of random crap into my deck. Because I'm the kind of player who thinks it's hilarious to shuffle 20+ copies of Tess into my deck.
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elysia isn't problematic beyond giving us amazing, long games. (which to me is "amazing", I've wanted this for ages now. had an entire 2 years almost of combo meta. we finally get a good control game and it gets ruined because of esports)
she's getting nerfed cos "esports" dude. that's wak.
f'ing fuming, mate.
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it's fine to make me sit through the solitaire of nomi priest. completly boring an uninteractive gameplay, with the opponent droping snarky emotes every few seconds. I honestly just concede against them. most annoying deck on the planet right now.
but they nerf elysia, literally effects 2 or 3 decks right now, as they're the only ones that will make it that far.
only because it will make the run time of esports go through the roof.
heres a thought, just ban the card from tournies. not hard is it... but noooo, we all have to suffer.
Are you serious ? Barnes is played to add a minion to your ress pool so you can use ES on the next turn, War Golem is a better filler card than Barnes in Big Priest.
Agreed ! Barnes is kept in 100% of muligans and then has 78% win rate Barnes is the issue.
How much more data do they need to nerf Barnes?.
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Btw barnes is not the problem, eternal servitude is yeye :)))
just so wrong kept in 24% of mulligans cost 6 mana 3 % lower win rate than barnes when played
They need to nerf spectral cutlass and the 1/5 rogue lackey
I'm thinking 4 mana 2/2 weapon THAT ONLY LIFESTEALS ON THE TURN IT'S PLAYED and the lackey is a 1/3 instead
Because as bliz already showed us, rogue doesn't need reliable healing.
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shhhh - don't use stats to back up your argument! :-p
I'm thinking they should release a 2-drop neutral that destroys weapons.
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Don't talk to me about this shit i've seen you complain about way less lol
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