I think people are taking it too seriously, or it's just that text is harder to converse with. I'm not asking him to make a card for me, I am asking for suggestions. And, as I said, if SInti or anyone for that matter doesn't want to give ideas or feedback, doesn't matter. I don't mind continuing giving reviews or ideas.
I think people are taking it too seriously, or it's just that text is harder to converse with. I'm not asking him to make a card for me, I am asking for suggestions. And, as I said, if SInti or anyone for that matter doesn't want to give ideas or feedback, doesn't matter. I don't mind continuing giving reviews or ideas.
At a certain point you just have to go with your gut. When it comes to feedback it is natural for there to be more negatives found than positives. You're not going to please everyone so just go with whatever you like the most. If you bend to other people too much you will lose your original intent.
I think people are taking it too seriously, or it's just that text is harder to converse with. I'm not asking him to make a card for me, I am asking for suggestions. And, as I said, if SInti or anyone for that matter doesn't want to give ideas or feedback, doesn't matter. I don't mind continuing giving reviews or ideas.
Since you need inspiration:
First one is a balanced Charge version. Not very exiting. Big Charge minions are pretty weird >Reckless Rocketeer. Second one similar to Demented Frostcaller but actually viable I think. Last one can be a nice bomb.
Some different line.
C'Thun buffs:
*an
Just can say don't be stuck on a mechanic or creature. Be like water. Let the things come to you. :))
Brainstorming with Zany and Cheese produced two concepts for the final minion: (this replaces the previous 7-mana elemental minion) 1. 7 mana, 3 Attack, 7 or 8 Health, Effect: Charge, Taunt, Freeze any character damaged by this minion. 2. 7 mana, 5 Attack, 8 Health, Effect: Deathrattle: Freeze the enemy minion with the highest Attack.
EDIT (maybe 4/7):
I get the flavor of the Tide and the charge, but honestly this version i probably like the least of all the previous variations. I mean its probably most balanced, but at the same time most boring (at least for me). Also the wording is quite weird. I understand why, but it doesnt look great. You could make it simple by removing the option to freeze the enemy hero, so you dont have to say "character(s)" in the card's text. Then it should probably cost 6 mana (and mby drop the health to 7).
No offense, but tbh, at this point, you're hindering more than helping, seeing as nothing is getting by you. Why don't you just give me suggestions.
Sorry :d Im not sure what role is this card supposed to play, since it changed from Cthun follower to a "random" freeze elemental. I had an idea about something like this, that would get a benefitial effect, if your deck was bigger than the starting deck (not sure if it would actually be relatively possible to pull off consistently). But not like it's that interesting of a card in the end, just a twist on dopplegangster/warrior spellstone kinda.
I think people are taking it too seriously, or it's just that text is harder to converse with. I'm not asking him to make a card for me, I am asking for suggestions. And, as I said, if SInti or anyone for that matter doesn't want to give ideas or feedback, doesn't matter. I don't mind continuing giving reviews or ideas.
Since you need inspiration:
First one is a balanced Charge version. Not very exiting. Big Charge minions are pretty weird >Reckless Rocketeer. Second one similar to Demented Frostcaller but actually viable I think. Last one can be a nice bomb.
Some different line.
C'Thun buffs:
*an
Just can say don't be stuck on a mechanic or creature. Be like water. Let the things come to you. :))
I like this version of Bound Torrent. Tho it should probably cost 6.
The Bearer of the Prophecy is pretty amazing for the Reservoir mechanic. Tho the wording and splitting would get messy with uneven stats. It would probably have to remove a fixed amount or a "fixed" amount based on a certain condition (like number of Ocean Depths in the deck or something). But rly cool idea this one. Also i would probably prefer the 1st Offspring over the other (or some else, but not the 2nd).
@Sinti Think it should cost 7 like this since it has so much Health and if you have a good set up can continiously Freeze enemies. Demented Frostcaller costs 4(!) for a 2/4 and Ocean Depths don't cost anything and you can draw a bunch of them in one turn. Stormwatcher is most similar. Think that Freeze effect is worth the Windfury.
@Sinti Think it should cost 7 like this since it has so much Health and if you have a good set up can continiously Freeze enemies. Demented Frostcaller costs 4(!) for a 2/4 and Ocean Depths don't cost anything and you can draw a bunch of them in one turn. Stormwatcher is most similar. Think that Freeze effect is worth the Windfury.
But you cant rly control when/if you draw any Ocean Depths, 7 seems way too much. Also Stormwatcher is a neutral and not such an amazing card to begin with :)
@Sinti Think it should cost 7 like this since it has so much Health and if you have a good set up can continiously Freeze enemies. Demented Frostcaller costs 4(!) for a 2/4 and Ocean Depths don't cost anything and you can draw a bunch of them in one turn. Stormwatcher is most similar. Think that Freeze effect is worth the Windfury.
But you cant rly control when/if you draw any Ocean Depths, 7 seems way too much. Also Stormwatcher is a neutral and not such an amazing card to begin with :)
Hmm... way too much? Its 12 points of stats and benefits a lot of the high Health. Still think as a 4/8 it would be to cheap at 6 mana. The effect can create a lot of value, helping to stall. And imagine against priest without a Psychic Scream. Were there not cards which draw Ocean Depths? Still, if you have a lot of them in your deck and there are little bit stacked you can freeze a lot of stuff with it. Just play an Coldlight Oracle, you will prob hit one, then you have the chance to hit another. With the Legendary that shuffles 7 into your deck, half your deck will be Oceans Depths and if you happen to have a Bound Torrent on the board you reap the benefits of drawing them while freezing enemies. I mean it's not so complicated I would just tune down the stats a little. Maybe I feel little different but for me not all cards have to be on top power level in this competition. I like seeing cards that could actually be in HS. Blizzard makes quite some shitty cards but some have still a charm about them (and are ok in arena). Like e.g. I don't like the Crossbow of the classic set and don't think blizzard would ever implement a card like this. It just feels too strong to me. But thats just my drehtisch. :)
@Sinti Think it should cost 7 like this since it has so much Health and if you have a good set up can continiously Freeze enemies. Demented Frostcaller costs 4(!) for a 2/4 and Ocean Depths don't cost anything and you can draw a bunch of them in one turn. Stormwatcher is most similar. Think that Freeze effect is worth the Windfury.
But you cant rly control when/if you draw any Ocean Depths, 7 seems way too much. Also Stormwatcher is a neutral and not such an amazing card to begin with :)
Hmm... way too much? Its 12 points of stats and benefits a lot of the high Health. Still think as a 4/8 it would be to cheap at 6 mana. The effect can create a lot of value, helping to stall. And imagine against priest without a Psychic Scream. Were there not cards which draw Ocean Depths? Still, if you have a lot of them in your deck and there are little bit stacked you can freeze a lot of stuff with it. Just play an Coldlight Oracle, you will prob hit one, then you have the chance to hit another. With the Legendary that shuffles 7 into your deck, half your deck will be Oceans Depths and if you happen to have a Bound Torrent on the board you reap the benefits of drawing them while freezing enemies. I mean it's not so complicated I would just tune down the stats a little. Maybe I feel little different but for me not all cards have to be on top power level in this competition. I like seeing cards that could actually be in HS. Blizzard makes quite some shitty cards but some have still a charm about them (and are ok in arena). Like e.g. I don't like the Crossbow of the classic set and don't think blizzard would ever implement a card like this. It just feels too strong to me. But thats just my drehtisch. :)
I mean it can be 4/7 for 6, we can drop one health point, thats fine, but in my eyes 7-cost makes it pretty much unplayable, since it is very low impact without (unreliable) combo follow up.
You guys are too kind, I was worried I overstepped my privileges when two people rebuked me. In any case, I will try my best to add a bit of mechanical/design insight.
Reservoir 30 is very hard to get. After playtesting, I found 25 to be hard but reasonable.
It changed from a C’Thun card to a water elemental since I managed to create a 2-mana C’Thun buffer I was happy with, I believe Sinti saw it as well.
It now does freezing since I plan to make my Ungoro quest revolving around freezing minions. This makes it a bit hard to balance since it cannot freeze too much, or it would make the quest done too quickly.
There was a sixth card concept: 7 mana, 6/6, Battlecry: Freeze a minion. If already frozen, shuffle it into your deck. I scrapped this one as 7 mana was too high and moved it to Ungoro.
Hmmmmmmmmmm. That Listener of the Dark Echo gives me an idea. Maybe. And I like the second Bound Torrent the most as well.
Yeah think you got rebuked because it came through as you wanting some mental fruits but treat the stuff much as your own. Like when I make cards for somebody other's class like now, I don't know if they like it. When they have the feeling like I make their class or take something away or too far. But I had to do something different because your Ascendent and art of Elemental didn't give me mojo.
And now it feels little the same. Like you take the ideas in, but don't leave much behind. Was expecting something to be able to discuss or comment on, but after reading your text I was like 'Ok, and now?' Now you make more cards probably. If you want constructive involvement maybe treat it a little more open. Like it's everyone's class. Then you will get more comments also I think. That's a little weird here because it is a competition with a high dismiss rate, but we help each other. Think would be nice to change the structure of the competition to involve more people into later stages. Probably that is too much work for the mods but the first phases were really nice because it was very busy. And more make the moto from who proceeds into "We make the most interessting and coolest classes possible together". Like the best to make sure my class proceeds is not giving you any review or even better a bad one. :)
Yeah think you got rebuked because it came through as you wanting some mental fruits but treat the stuff much as your own. Like when I make cards for somebody other's class like now, I don't know if they like it. When they have the feeling like I make their class or take something away or too far. But I had to do something different because your Ascendent and art of Elemental didn't give me mojo.
And now it feels little the same. Like you take the ideas in, but don't leave much behind. Was expecting something to be able to discuss or comment on, but after reading your text I was like 'Ok, and now?' Now you make more cards probably. If you want constructive involvement maybe treat it a little more open. Like it's everyone's class. Then you will get more comments also I think. That's a little weird here because it is a competition with a high dismiss rate, but we help each other. Think would be nice to change the structure of the competition to involve more people into later stages. Probably that is too much work for the mods but the first phases were really nice because it was very busy. And more make the moto from who proceeds into "We make the most interessting and coolest classes possible together". Like the best to make sure my class proceeds is not giving you any review or even better a bad one. :)
That to some extent is how I feel, too. Sometimes when I give comments and then don't get any in return, I just stop giving reviews to that person, haha. It's just that competitive.
I'm also, from my understanding, seeing this: "You get ideas, but you don't really listen to them and just make your own cards anyways". Well, yes, isn't that how you're supposed to make a class? Plus, "That Listener of the Dark Echo gives me an idea. Maybe. And I like the second Bound Torrent the most as well." So I'm not sure what else you wanted me to say...?
Yeah think you got rebuked because it came through as you wanting some mental fruits but treat the stuff much as your own. Like when I make cards for somebody other's class like now, I don't know if they like it. When they have the feeling like I make their class or take something away or too far. But I had to do something different because your Ascendent and art of Elemental didn't give me mojo.
And now it feels little the same. Like you take the ideas in, but don't leave much behind. Was expecting something to be able to discuss or comment on, but after reading your text I was like 'Ok, and now?' Now you make more cards probably. If you want constructive involvement maybe treat it a little more open. Like it's everyone's class. Then you will get more comments also I think. That's a little weird here because it is a competition with a high dismiss rate, but we help each other. Think would be nice to change the structure of the competition to involve more people into later stages. Probably that is too much work for the mods but the first phases were really nice because it was very busy. And more make the moto from who proceeds into "We make the most interessting and coolest classes possible together". Like the best to make sure my class proceeds is not giving you any review or even better a bad one. :)
It didnt feel like this to me at all, he basically gave answer to everything we (i?) asked before and confirmed that he likes the card we both agreed on from all your ideas as well.
An idea? Maybe? ohoohoo What kind of idea? Seems like you can't use the second version of the Elementals because of your Un'Goro quest. So what would be the line? Still something that freezes but without the possibility of freezing so much stuff? Is a smaller minion also an option? Is the Bearer even considered a C'Thun buff for the challenge? Would this be a possibility for your deck-fill mechanic or is it a bad idea?
It just felt like you think "Ok I take this and this, maybe. And now I go back to my lonely creative corner." Like if I even make cards and infest time to feel little into the class, why not involve me little more and maybe tell what kind of idea you have or what you think of the different ideas. Doesn't have to be something positive. Make the creation more inclusive. I mean maybe you don't want to but then don't wonder if you get rebuked. (didn't know this word in english until today, so don't know how grave this sounds)
Think this was also more or less what Viridian and ercjlee101 meant.
An idea? Maybe? ohoohoo What kind of idea? Seems like you can't use the second version of the Elementals because of your Un'Goro quest. So what would be the line? Still something that freezes but without the possibility of freezing so much stuff? Is a smaller minion also an option? Is the Bearer even considered a C'Thun buff for the challenge? Would this be a possibility for your deck-fill mechanic or is it a bad idea?
It just felt like you think "Ok I take this and this, maybe. And now I go back to my lonely creative corner." Like if I even make cards and infest time to feel little into the class, why not involve me little more and maybe tell what kind of idea you have or what you think of the different ideas. Doesn't have to be something positive. Make the creation more inclusive. I mean maybe you don't want to but then don't wonder if you get rebuked. (didn't know this word in english until today, so don't know how grave this sounds)
Think this was also more or less what Viridian and ercjlee101 meant.
"Lonely creative corner", you mean the collaboration website with 5 other people? I guess that's "lonely", hah. Interesting that you perceive me as that sort of person. I will take note of that.
I think you're looking at it a bit too negatively or you might be overreacting. I'm also not sure why you're trying to say this sort of thing about me when I have already explained myself and sinti finds no problem with it, which I'm glad he doesn't.
ercjlee101, I have no idea what he is even on about at this point, and viridian was talking about how I shouldn't expect people to make ideas for me.
In addition, you seem quite fixated on this statement of mine: "You guys are too kind, I was worried I overstepped my privileges when two people rebuked me. "
I am not wondering if or why they rebuked (criticized) me. I know why and I know they did.
Uh, so I'm stuck. Can you guys help me out. I can't think of a card I can use for my final slot.
Hey everyone, thanks again for your feedback. I've been away all weekend, and I know I've been bad about responding and helping others. Will be home soon and hoping to do better at that.
For Demonxz95 - What do you have so far? And most importantly, what kind of hole do you want to fill? Are you looking to make a big minion? Small minion? Summon spell? Keyword spell? Buff? Card useful for control? Agro?
I am more or less set on my set (lul) but I want to create a coherent bundle to include in order to give it a theme.
Bundle #1 - Curve into your Old God (or DW)
This is the one I've shown before.
Kosumoth has been modified since last time.
Bundle #2 - Egg Package
Deathrattle was a subtheme of WOG, and eggs are a subtheme of my class.
Bundle #3 - Empty Deck
I went a little bit wild. People on the "lonely creative corner" don't really like it but what about you guys? If I don't do it this expansion, I will do it with KFT because I have a good DK idea related to this in store.
Obviously I would have to choose between Kosumoth and Cookie.
Bundle #4 - Random damage & synergy
Pls tell me which you prefer.
In addition to this, I've changed 2 cards.
Fantastic Feast
Big heals are more useful in the mid-game because they can counter aggro decks. This also incentivizes you to play and hold on Roast cards.
Top Chef
I figured out the first version is a worse Tracking 90% of the time. The second version costs 0 but the threshold has been raised to 6.
Uh, so I'm stuck. Can you guys help me out. I can't think of a card I can use for my final slot.
Hey everyone, thanks again for your feedback. I've been away all weekend, and I know I've been bad about responding and helping others. Will be home soon and hoping to do better at that.
For Demonxz95 - What do you have so far? And most importantly, what kind of hole do you want to fill? Are you looking to make a big minion? Small minion? Summon spell? Keyword spell? Buff? Card useful for control? Agro?
All I need is my last common Karazhan card. Preferably, it would be cool to have a mid to high-cost spell (somewhere about 3+) to go along with Theatre Symphonist and the small spell theme of this set, but I'm fine with absolutely anything provided it makes sense within the class.
A few ideas I did previously have:
The first version of Invitation from Beyond was supposed to be kind of a tutor card and also works with Quick-Time with the flavor that the minion is "invited" over to your hand or battlefield (party). The second version has the same thematic, but works differently. It does feel like just a better Gather Your Party though.
Medivh's Spellbook I made mostly for the spell-thematic of Karazhan. The wording may seem a bit weird, but I worded it how I did because literally every single other card I have for this phase has at least 3 lines of text, so this seems like a breath of fresh air.
Chronoleap does play into the time travel and rearranging aspect quite a lot. Sinti did however point out Malygos could be a problem (I don't have damage target spells that hit face but I could in the future) and it would restrict design space.
Although I do like ??? Portal, I feel several other people will do the same thing with a "3 portal", so it kind of loses its touch. I also don't know what place is in that portal.
Anything that makes sense as a Common, a Time Traveler card and a Karazhan card is perfectly fine with me, regardless of what it is or what it does.
Damn, card creator's block is killing me.
Click the image to go to my custom Time Traveler class.
I think people are taking it too seriously, or it's just that text is harder to converse with. I'm not asking him to make a card for me, I am asking for suggestions. And, as I said, if SInti or anyone for that matter doesn't want to give ideas or feedback, doesn't matter. I don't mind continuing giving reviews or ideas.
Since you need inspiration:
First one is a balanced Charge version. Not very exiting. Big Charge minions are pretty weird >Reckless Rocketeer. Second one similar to Demented Frostcaller but actually viable I think. Last one can be a nice bomb.
Some different line.
C'Thun buffs:
*an
Just can say don't be stuck on a mechanic or creature. Be like water. Let the things come to you. :))
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Is it easy to get at Reservoir (30+)?
@Sinti Think it should cost 7 like this since it has so much Health and if you have a good set up can continiously Freeze enemies. Demented Frostcaller costs 4(!) for a 2/4 and Ocean Depths don't cost anything and you can draw a bunch of them in one turn. Stormwatcher is most similar. Think that Freeze effect is worth the Windfury.
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You guys are too kind, I was worried I overstepped my privileges when two people rebuked me. In any case, I will try my best to add a bit of mechanical/design insight.
Yeah think you got rebuked because it came through as you wanting some mental fruits but treat the stuff much as your own. Like when I make cards for somebody other's class like now, I don't know if they like it. When they have the feeling like I make their class or take something away or too far. But I had to do something different because your Ascendent and art of Elemental didn't give me mojo.
And now it feels little the same. Like you take the ideas in, but don't leave much behind. Was expecting something to be able to discuss or comment on, but after reading your text I was like 'Ok, and now?' Now you make more cards probably. If you want constructive involvement maybe treat it a little more open. Like it's everyone's class. Then you will get more comments also I think. That's a little weird here because it is a competition with a high dismiss rate, but we help each other. Think would be nice to change the structure of the competition to involve more people into later stages. Probably that is too much work for the mods but the first phases were really nice because it was very busy. And more make the moto from who proceeds into "We make the most interessting and coolest classes possible together". Like the best to make sure my class proceeds is not giving you any review or even better a bad one. :)
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An idea? Maybe? ohoohoo What kind of idea? Seems like you can't use the second version of the Elementals because of your Un'Goro quest. So what would be the line? Still something that freezes but without the possibility of freezing so much stuff? Is a smaller minion also an option? Is the Bearer even considered a C'Thun buff for the challenge? Would this be a possibility for your deck-fill mechanic or is it a bad idea?
It just felt like you think "Ok I take this and this, maybe. And now I go back to my lonely creative corner." Like if I even make cards and infest time to feel little into the class, why not involve me little more and maybe tell what kind of idea you have or what you think of the different ideas. Doesn't have to be something positive. Make the creation more inclusive. I mean maybe you don't want to but then don't wonder if you get rebuked. (didn't know this word in english until today, so don't know how grave this sounds)
Think this was also more or less what Viridian and ercjlee101 meant.
Uh, so I'm stuck. Can you guys help me out. I can't think of a card I can use for my final slot.
Click the image to go to my custom Time Traveler class.
Edit: nvm, don't think this belongs here.
Currently working on the Tinker! K&C and WW / JUG and KotFT / Classic / Basic / Introduction
My Previous Classes: Apothecary (unfinished) / Chronomancer / Death Knight (old)
My Previous Expansions: Hallow's End
I am more or less set on my set (lul) but I want to create a coherent bundle to include in order to give it a theme.
Bundle #1 - Curve into your Old God (or DW)
This is the one I've shown before.
Kosumoth has been modified since last time.
Bundle #2 - Egg Package
Deathrattle was a subtheme of WOG, and eggs are a subtheme of my class.
Bundle #3 - Empty Deck
I went a little bit wild. People on the "lonely creative corner" don't really like it but what about you guys? If I don't do it this expansion, I will do it with KFT because I have a good DK idea related to this in store.
Obviously I would have to choose between Kosumoth and Cookie.
Bundle #4 - Random damage & synergy
Pls tell me which you prefer.
In addition to this, I've changed 2 cards.
Fantastic Feast
Big heals are more useful in the mid-game because they can counter aggro decks. This also incentivizes you to play and hold on Roast cards.
Top Chef
I figured out the first version is a worse Tracking 90% of the time. The second version costs 0 but the threshold has been raised to 6.
Custom cards :
CLASSES : Alchemist (CCC#5 | Phase V) | Chef (CCC#4)
EXPANSIONS : Year of the Scorpion (Year Comp)
Anything that makes sense as a Common, a Time Traveler card and a Karazhan card is perfectly fine with me, regardless of what it is or what it does.
Click the image to go to my custom Time Traveler class.