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    posted a message on Custom Class Competition #6: Phase Three, Discussion

    I'm running a little low on time... but still trying to crank out cards. For the first cards, can I make this 6 mana copy/draw 4? I know it's powercreep of Sprint, but Ninja has no way of reducing the cost. (Also Skull of Guldan, but I am hesitant to make something based off of such a broken card). Yes, I know the reprise is worse than the initial effect. I'm experimenting with a "reverse Reprise", if you will.

    The second card is just the Palm Arts.

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    posted a message on Custom Class Competition #6: Phase Three, Submission

    The Custom Class Competition is back for its sixth iteration! We welcome any newcomers as well as old hands who've run through this grueling gauntlet of card creation before.

    The good news is, said gauntlet is much smaller this time around. With the release of Demon Hunter, Blizzard has shown us how they release a custom class midway in the game's lifespan. Therefore, we will simulate this as close as possible. Take the time to read the rules or procedures below.

    This is the Submission Thread! Submit your final work here!
    We are no longer open to all submissions. Everyone who entered Week Two moves on to Week Three.

    Do NOT ask for feedback here.
    Here is the Discussion Thread.

    Posting Tutorial

    This is a posting tutorial for the website imgur.com. If you use another website, the process will be similar.

    1. It is recommended you use hearthcards.net to create your cards. Save the generated card to your device.
    2. Upload the image to imgur.com. You do not need an account.
    3. After your image is uploaded, many links will be generated. Find the "Direct link". It will have a .jpg or .png at the end of the link. Copy the link.
    4. On your hearthpwn post, find the "Insert/edit image" button: 
    5. Paste the direct link. This is recommended but not mandatory: You may choose to make the image smaller by changing the image dimensions.

    Overview

    1. All contestants will create one custom class, following the layout of Demon Hunter.
      1. There will be a total of 45 cards, down from 65+ cards from previous competitions.
    2. All contestants will select a past expansion to simulate their class releasing, like how Demon Hunter was released during Ashes of Outland.
    3. The contest will run for 4 weeks.
      1. Week One: 10 Basic cards.
      2. Week Two: 10 "Initiate" cards.
      3. Week Three: The other 10 "Initiate" cards.
      4. Week Four: 15 expansion cards.
      5. "Initiate" means the supplemental 20 cards Blizzard printed for Demon Hunter. Yours do not have to be named Initiate set.
    4. Like the previous contest, barring a large number of contestants, all participants will move forward with each passing week, the victor being the one who gets the most total votes.

    Challenge

    Now, we all know what Altruis the Outcast is capable of. However, I find the fact that a card that synergizes so well with a keyword, on paper, at least, much more interesting. Therefore, this week's challenge will test the flexibility of your keyword:

    • At least one card (minion, spell, or weapon) must have a card text that directly synergizes with your keyword but cannot mention the keyword.
      • Here's an example, let's say your keyword was "Deathrattle", you could have "If a friendly minion died this turn, etc. etc."
      • Or, if your keyword was "Lifesteal", you could have "If your hero was healed this turn, etc. etc."
      • This allows for some leeway with your card and keyword, just like Altruis, but, I do reserve the right to ask you to change your card.


    Artimex723's Challenge

    You are the only custom class that doesn't have a keyword! I could have given you a bye round, but where's the fun in that? Congratulations, you have a personal challenge!

    You have a lot of cards with 4 lines (six out of ten!). That is something Blizzard actually tends to avoid when making cards. So, you are allowed only two cards with 4 lines during this week. This includes your Secrets.

    Submission Format

    You must adhere to the following rules or risk disqualification:

    1. Unless otherwise stated, you are allowed three cards to showcase. All other cards must be hidden in a spoiler.
    2. You may include flavour texts. For the showcase cards, their texts do not need to be spoilered.
    3. You may include a single banner at the top of your submission post. It may not be overly fancy. This is entirely subjective and the moderators have the right to remove a banner they feel is too fancy and, therefore, gives an inherent advantage over other posts. 
      1. Golden cards are not allowed, nor are huge images that feature your cards with a background.
      2. If you choose to include other images other than a banner, they must be hidden behind a spoiler.
    4. For Week Two you must also do the following:
      1. Somewhere on your submission, you need to declare which expansion your custom class will be released in, as well as which old mechanic you used to fulfill the challenge.
      2. You must follow this ratio: 4 commons, 3 rares, 2 epics, and 1 legendary. 
    5. Upgraded Hero Powers have also come to my attention. I agree with the reasoning I have seen. Your Submission must now include an upgraded Hero Power.

    F.A.Q.

    • What expansions can I choose from?
      • You may select from any expansion except Mean Streets of Gadgetzan. This is due to the nature of tri-class cards.
    • Uh oh spaghettios, class cycles.
      • As I briefly touched upon in a reply in the preliminary thread, when the fourth week rolls around and you have to choose an expansion to slot your class into, you must have at least one all-class cycle. All-class, in this context, means both a cycle shared between all 9 classes, and a cycle that the League of EVIL classes or Explorers classes share.
      • While, at first, it seems to make sense that your custom class should adhere to all all-class cycles in a given expansion, Demon Hunter did not have a Prime legendary. However, it is recommended that you include all all-class cycles in your custom class. Some all-class cycles hinge on other cycles within the expansion. Use common sense when choosing which cycles to use and to not use. (ex. You do not have a Loa, but instead choose to have a Loa shrine)
      • To clarify, here are the all-class cycles you may choose from:
        • GvG: A class mech.
        • TGT: There is no theme shared between all classes.
        • WOTOG: There is no theme shared between all classes.
        • KOTFT: Death Knight heroes.
        • KAC: Legendary weapon, spellstone.
        • WW: There is no theme shared between all classes.
        • Boomsday: Legendary scientist, legendary science spell.
        • RR: Legendary Loa, thematically supporting legendary minion, Loa Spirit card with a 0/3 statline
        • RoS: EITHER One Lackey generation card + One Scheme spell OR Two Twinspells
          • Furthermore, each of the EVIL members have a "callback" to the expansions they were  first introduced in. However, you do not need to do this as your custom class is being introduced and has nothing to callback.
        • SoU: EITHER A Plague spell OR A singleton legendary, a Quest that changes your Hero Power as a reward.
        • DoD: EITHER Galakrond + a Galakrond support card OR a Dragon Explorer minion + Two Sidequests, a Legendary Dragon.
        • AoO: There is no theme shared between all classes.
          • 9/10 classes have a Prime legendary, 9/10 classes have a Dormant minion.
    • What about card cycles not shared between all nine classes, like Omega cards, or Aspirant cards?
      • You may pick and choose from those.
    • What about Hero Cards like Hagatha, Dr. Boom?
      • After much thought, I have decided to, for now, disallow Hero Cards in your expansion set unless it is a Galakrond hero. While I am aware Warlock came with Jaraxxus in their Classic set, I feel as though a new class receiving a massive power spike in the form of a Hero Card while other classes did not in that expansion will create an even worse problem DH did upon arrival.
    • Can I rename the "Initiate" set to whatever I want?
      • Yes.
    • What watermarks do I use?
      • For the "Initiate" set, you can use whatever watermark you think makes the most sense.
    • Do I have to follow the rarity distribution of the Demon Hunter Initiate set?
      • Yes.
      • You may not introduce a Legendary spell or Hero in the Initiate set as there are none in the current Demon Hunter example we've been given.
    • Do I need to adhere to Warcraft lore?
      • The short answer: no.
      • The long answer: Try your best to do so. Even if your Hero is not a character found in Warcraft, you can still achieve a general feel of Warcraftiness by using in-game place names and references. Put in the work and use some elbow grease. Do your research on WoWwiki.
    • Do I need class-exclusive keyword?
      • No.

    Competition Process

    Week Two: June 30th - July 7th. There will then be a pause between the 25th and the commencement of Week Three, in order to set up a final voting period for Week Two.

    At the behest of the contestants, everyone from Week Two will be allowed to compete in Week Three. The final four will be decided by cumulative votes, starting from Week One.

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    posted a message on Custom Class Competition #6: Phase Three, Discussion
    Quote from Klipce >>
     

    Identity Crisis is perfect as-is. Glad you took my suggestion and gave it excellent flavour. On-the-nose names, punny names, names with references, those are the best kind of card names. 

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    posted a message on Custom Class Competition #6: Phase Three, Discussion
    Quote from MvonTzeskagrad >>
     

    Knife Artist is basically saying "You can either do one of four things: 1) swing with Kunai and pass, swing with Kunai, 2) equip another one of your stored-up Kunais and swing again, 3) swing with Kunai and equip another weapon from hand and swing, 4) immediately equip another weapon and swing twice. So it is more than possible to use her with other weapons.

    Rising Dragon Fist, I have less spell-copying than minion-copying, generally speaking. I'll keep an eye out for other feedback but from what others are saying, so far, maybe 3 mana... but then it's rather weak at first.

    Gift of the Lotus is good (as is all the other suggestions from others).

    On to your cards:

    So, Darkflame Tome, how easy is it to abuse with Malygos, do you think? Two of these with Maly is 28.

    Heroic Sidequick > Sidekick. Also suggesting a 2/2 body.

    I think Climax is generally fine. It's not good against tall boards, and against aggro, you likely will not make it to turn 9.

    Quote from Anatomy_of_Time >>
     

     At this point, I must ask. Where are you getting your card art? It seems to be from another game, from what I can tell.

    Power level between Living Rose and Awoken's Rail Spike Jadebark Staff seems to be pretty drastic. Maybe make Living Rose easier to do?

    You can stand to give Prima more stats since her card text is technically a negative.

    Quote from Klipce >>

    Foretelling, I reckon draw 3, draw 2 more, or 2 and 3.

    Raven's Eye, pretty weak. 

    Primordial Wind, do you have Spell Damage support? If not, can go to 6 mana.

    Twisted Bargain... hm. Honestly pretty hard to balance. I suppose it's ok...? Maybe wait for more feedback.

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    posted a message on Custom Class Competition #6: Phase Three, Discussion
    Quote from Klipce >>

    Will only give notes on cards I think have problems.

    Inquisitive Youngling needs to specify cost.

    I also think Mount Up is particularly weak.

    Fortelling > Foretelling

    Primordial Winds is fine, but you don't have very much support for it. When Aranasi Broodmother was released, so was Plot Twist and Fel Lord Betrug.

    Carring > Caring

    Cloaked Raven, check to see if permanent Stealth will make any existing Beasts broken. (I didn't check, just reminding you to do so)

    Quote from Anatomy_of_Time >>
     

    Living Rose is too good. It's 2 mana, add a Razorpetal and deal 2 damage on a 2/1 body.

    Jadebark Dragon seems a lot harder to make use of compared to Dragoncaster. You also don't really have that many expensive spells in the first place. (I even took a look in your Basic Set to confirm this)

    A large portion of your Set focuses on Spell Damage (10/20). Rarely are specific archetypes so heavily pushed. If you recall, Hearthstone devs only wanted to focus on very broad, general playstyles. "Minions dying", was one, and "demons" was another.

    I also feel like some of your cards are too similar to ones used by control Warlock: Vine Lash is similar to Dark Skies, Rampant Growth is similar to Abyssal Summoner. I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing, just something for you to note.

    Finally, try to balance Thalia against C'Thun. Getting a big C'Thun usually meant sacrificing tempo. Does your class sacrifice something in order to build up a huge Thalia?

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    posted a message on Custom Class Competition #6: Phase Three, Discussion

    Chucking out some ideas I have for now. I will get some feedback done for others tonight when I get the Sub topic up.

    Last set, I focused on bursts of play and weapons. Here, I still have a bit of that, but will now branch into making wide boards (something I started in the Basic set), and copying. Transform is still a flavour decision that I will try to implement.

    I need help naming the epic spell, if the concept is fine.

     

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    posted a message on Custom Class Competition #6: Phase Three, Discussion
    Quote from Klipce >>

    How about creating a card that helps make Channel more effective? Perhaps, say, changing a minion's tribe to All that turn.

    Or, possibly, a card that rewards you for having the same tribe on the field.

    The challenge is possible for (nearly) every keyword in the comp currently, to my knowledge. I won't say who I think will have difficulty, and I hope they can prove me wrong, as this challenge, as I've said, is to see how solid a keyword is.

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    posted a message on Custom Class Competition #6: Phase Three, Discussion

    The Custom Class Competition is back for its sixth iteration! We welcome any newcomers as well as old hands who've run through this grueling gauntlet of card creation before.

    The good news is, said gauntlet is much smaller this time around. With the release of Demon Hunter, Blizzard has shown us how they release a custom class midway in the game's lifespan. Therefore, we will simulate this as close as possible. Take the time to read the rules or procedures below.

    This is the Discussion Thread! Ask for feedback, return the favour, ask questions, etc. here.

    Do NOT post your submission here.
    The Submission Thread is here.

    Overview

    1. All contestants will create one custom class, following the layout of Demon Hunter.
      1. There will be a total of 45 cards, down from 65+ cards from previous competitions.
    2. All contestants will select a past expansion to simulate their class releasing, like how Demon Hunter was released during Ashes of Outland.
    3. The contest will run for 4 weeks.
      1. Week One: 10 Basic cards.
      2. Week Two: 10 "Initiate" cards.
      3. Week Three: The other 10 "Initiate" cards.
      4. Week Four: 15 expansion cards.
      5. "Initiate" means the supplemental 20 cards Blizzard printed for Demon Hunter. Yours do not have to be named Initiate set.

    Challenge

    Now, we all know what Altruis the Outcast is capable of. However, I find the fact that a card that synergizes so well with a keyword, on paper, at least, much more interesting. Therefore, this week's challenge will test the flexibility of your keyword:

    • At least one card (minion, spell, or weapon) must have a card text that directly synergizes with your keyword but cannot mention the keyword.
      • Here's an example, let's say your keyword was "Deathrattle", you could have "If a friendly minion died this turn, etc. etc."
      • Or, if your keyword was "Lifesteal", you could have "If your hero was healed this turn, etc. etc."
      • This allows for some leeway with your card and keyword, just like Altruis, but, I do reserve the right to ask you to change your card.


    Artimex723's Challenge

    You are the only custom class that doesn't have a keyword! I could have given you a bye round, but where's the fun in that? Congratulations, you have a personal challenge!

    You have a lot of cards with 4 lines (six out of ten!). That is something Blizzard actually tends to avoid when making cards. So, you are allowed only two cards with 4 lines during this week. This includes your Secrets.

    Submission Format

    You must adhere to the following rules or risk disqualification:

    1. Unless otherwise stated, you are allowed three cards to showcase. All other cards must be hidden in a spoiler.
    2. You may include flavour texts. For the showcase cards, their texts do not need to be spoilered.
    3. You may include a single banner at the top of your submission post. It may not be overly fancy. This is entirely subjective and the moderators have the right to remove a banner they feel is too fancy and, therefore, gives an inherent advantage over other posts. 
      1. Golden cards are not allowed, nor are huge images that feature your cards with a background.
      2. If you choose to include other images other than a banner, they must be hidden behind a spoiler.

    F.A.Q.

    • How is the Initiate set split in half?
      • There are 8 commons, 6 rares, 4 epics, and 2 legionaries. That makes splitting the Initiate set in half rather easy.
      • For Week Three, contestants will create 4 commons, 3 rares, 2 epics, and 1 legendary.
    • What expansions can I choose from?
      • You may select from any expansion except Mean Streets of Gadgetzan. This is due to the nature of tri-class cards.
    • Uh oh spaghettios, class cycles.
      • As I briefly touched upon in a reply in the preliminary thread, when the fourth week rolls around and you have to choose an expansion to slot your class into, you must have at least one all-class cycle. All-class, in this context, means both a cycle shared between all 9 classes, and a cycle that the League of EVIL classes or Explorers classes share.
      • While, at first, it seems to make sense that your custom class should adhere to all all-class cycles in a given expansion, Demon Hunter did not have a Prime legendary. However, it is recommended that you include all all-class cycles in your custom class. Some all-class cycles hinge on other cycles within the expansion. Use common sense when choosing which cycles to use and to not use. (ex. You do not have a Loa, but instead choose to have a Loa shrine)
      • To clarify, here are the all-class cycles you may choose from:
        • GvG: A class mech.
        • TGT: There is no theme shared between all classes.
        • WOTOG: There is no theme shared between all classes.
        • KOTFT: Death Knight heroes.
        • KAC: Legendary weapon, spellstone.
        • WW: There is no theme shared between all classes.
        • Boomsday: Legendary scientist, legendary science spell.
        • RR: Legendary Loa, thematically supporting legendary minion, Loa Spirit card with a 0/3 statline
        • RoS: EITHER One Lackey generation card + One Scheme spell OR Two Twinspells
          • Furthermore, each of the EVIL members have a "callback" to the expansions they were  first introduced in. However, you do not need to do this as your custom class is being introduced and has nothing to callback.
        • SoU: EITHER A Plague spell OR A singleton legendary, a Quest that changes your Hero Power as a reward.
        • DoD: EITHER Galakrond + a Galakrond support card OR a Dragon Explorer minion + Two Sidequests, a Legendary Dragon.
        • AoO: There is no theme shared between all classes.
          • 9/10 classes have a Prime legendary, 9/10 classes have a Dormant minion.
    • What about card cycles not shared between all nine classes, like Omega cards, or Aspirant cards?
      • You may pick and choose from those.
    • What about Hero Cards like Hagatha, Dr. Boom?
      • After much thought, I have decided to, for now, disallow Hero Cards in your expansion set unless it is a Galakrond hero. While I am aware Warlock came with Jaraxxus in their Classic set, I feel as though a new class receiving a massive power spike in the form of a Hero Card while other classes did not in that expansion will create an even worse problem DH did upon arrival.
    • Can I rename the "Initiate" set to whatever I want?
      • Yes.
    • What watermarks do I use?
      • For the "Initiate" set, you can use whatever watermark you think makes the most sense.
    • Do I have to follow the rarity distribution of the Demon Hunter Initiate set?
      • Yes.
      • You may not introduce a Legendary spell or Hero in the Initiate set as there are none in the current Demon Hunter example we've been given.
    • Do I need to adhere to Warcraft lore?
      • The short answer: no.
      • The long answer: Try your best to do so. Even if your Hero is not a character found in Warcraft, you can still achieve a general feel of Warcraftiness by using in-game place names and references. Put in the work and use some elbow grease. Do your research on WoWwiki.
    • Do I need class-exclusive keyword?
      • No.

    Competition Process

    Week Two: June 30th - July 7th. There will then be a pause between the 25th and the commencement of Week Three, in order to set up a final voting period for Week Two.

    At the behest of the contestants, everyone from Week Two will be allowed to compete in Week Three. The final four will be decided by cumulative votes, starting from Week One.

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    posted a message on Custom Class Competition #6: Phase Two, Voting

    I'll just do a general reply here.

    I agree, the votes this week were rather odd, basically inversing all of Week One. 

    I really like the idea of cumulative votes up until the final four. I'll implement that right away. 

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    posted a message on Custom Class Competition #6: Phase Two, Voting

    The results are in!

    I also have a confession to make... So, for some reason, I added the wrong Hero Power tokens under Soupcake's Witch entry. He has been disqualified. But... I need to take responsibility for not finding the time to fix his entry. I was busy these past few days, but this contest is still important too.

    I would like to automatically let SoupCake continue. Instead of 2 people getting DQ'ed, only the bottom scoring individual, minus SoupCake, will be DQ'ed this week.

    I open the floor to anyone who has concerns or complaints against this course of action. If I do not see any concerns, after tomorrow's 24hour break, I will finalize this decision.

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    posted a message on Custom Class Competition #6: Phase Two, Voting
    Quote from SideItem >>
    Quote from McF4rtson >>

    @Artimex723 Watch out. Your original upgraded Hero Power token was a gold card. That's against the rules. I had to make a new version of it for you.

    As for the cut-off, the bottom two scoring entries will be eliminated. The original number was 5, but there were 3 contestants who did not re-enter.

    F

    Thanks for adding in a full image version of the Wish card, kept meaning to go back and add that to my post (instead of just the link to the card name) but then got wrapped up in Last of Us 2.

     Just a note that SoupCake's token spoiler is missing the 1/1, 2/2, and 3/3 Familiar tokens generated by the Hero Power.

    He didn't put those three tokens in his Week Two submission.

    I PM'ed him to clarify what he wants.

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    posted a message on Custom Class Competition #6: Phase Two, Voting

    @Artimex723 Watch out. Your original upgraded Hero Power token was a gold card. That's against the rules. I had to make a new version of it for you.

    As for the cut-off, the bottom two scoring entries will be eliminated. The original number was 5, but there were 3 contestants who did not re-enter.

    F

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    posted a message on Custom Class Competition #6: Phase Two, Voting

    The Custom Class Competition is back for its sixth iteration! We welcome any newcomers as well as old hands who've run through this grueling gauntlet of card creation before.

    The good news is, said gauntlet is much smaller this time around. With the release of Demon Hunter, Blizzard has shown us how they release a custom class midway in the game's lifespan. Therefore, we will simulate this as close as possible. Take the time to read the rules or procedures below.

    This is the Voting Thread! You can post additional comments here if you wish.
    You can also view the entire Submission Thread here.

    Overview

    The order entries presented in this thread is based on their scores in the previous voting phase, much like how a race would function.

    Each entry will contain only the Hero, regular and upgraded Hero Powers, keyword tooltip, and the three showcase cards selected by the entrant. As showing 90 cards in a single post can prove to be cumbersome, a link is provided for each entry that links to their first half of the Initiate set.

     

    Monk, by Ravennos

    Ninja, by McF4rtson

    Nymph, by Anatomy_of_Time

    Primalist, by Klipce

    Witch, by SoupCake

    Blood Mage, by Artimex723

    Merchant, by whatTheHeck

    Chronobandit, by Jengus

    Note: Pinpointer is both the upgraded Hero Power you get from using Six-Shooter six times and Justicar/Baku.

    Narrator, by MvonTzeskagrad

    Engineer, by SideItem

    Bloodburner, by Noah_McGrath

     

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    posted a message on Custom Class Competition #6: Phase Two, Discussion

    Last call for submissions. I'll be locking at 10PM, PST.

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    posted a message on Custom Class Competition #6: Phase Two, Discussion

    Don't forget, the competition ends in 2 days. Get your entries in soon!

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