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Ok, I'm pretty late to the party, but I've been on holiday and will be until the end of phase 1 but I wanted to try to submit something so I threw this together last night after seeing the post. I could go very deep but I figured since the bonus rules aren't all out yet better to not go too deep. Here is my phase 1 version of my submission. I'd just like to make sure I'm doing things to the rules. If you have more feedback about what I'm doing besides that that would be great as well, but not necessary, as I likely won't have time to go over all the posts and give people feedback, at least in this phase.

WELCOME TO MIRAGE RACEWAY!! WHERE THE SPEED ENTHUSIAST IN ALL OF US CAN GET A FIX! YOU ALL KNOW MOST OF OUR RACERS TODAY BUT WE DO HAVE A DARK HORSE FIRST TIME ENTRANT FROM OUR FINAL QUALIFIER, GYRO AND SIRI QUIKREV! LADIES AND GENTLEMAN, START YOUR ENGINES!!!

 The class I've devised is the Racer. Built mostly around Gnomes and Goblins and the races that used to happen at the Shimmering Flats at the Mirage Raceway. The class is built around comebacks in both tempo and in general. Its all about climbing back into games from behind. Winning is one of the easiest things you can do in Hearthstone, I wanted to take on the concept of not losing or coming back from behind, and not just from an absurd standpoint of healing and healing or gaining tons of armor but instead by manipulating tempo and having rewards for being behind on life total. I can't show you everything in just a hero power and 3 cards, but hopefully this interests enough people to want more. 

Our first card is very Basic. But I want to point out some of the design points. This is between Flamestrike and Consecration. Its the sort of card every class has, a basic AoE. However, if you look closely at what the card does you'll not it is more Flamestrike, no face damage on the opponent and this is intentional. We want to remove our opponents minions, but we don't want to influence the health difference in hopes of maximizing that later off of different cards. So its not simply missing face damage simply to make it different than another classes AoE, it serves a purpose. 

And here we have one of those purposes. Pit Stop is one of our card draw spells but it also highlight our comeback mechanics. This is one of the more basic ideas, but I think that's certainly not a bad thing. It also is one of our other Draft Enablers, though its not as certain as most of the rest of them. 

Lastly we have one of our Draft beneficiaries. Drafting is a big deal, and there will be a small group of cards that gain benefits from Drafting them all the way to 0 mana. 

 

Thanks for any and all replies.

 

 

 Like another user mentioned, your Draft Mechanic could allow a Super Miracle situation where you play through nearly your entire deck. My suggestion would be to have Draft only apply to Minions or only apply to Spells or only apply to cards in your hand when the draft card is played. Applying to all cards played in a turn seems easy to abuse. Limiting the number of spells in your class would be key, but as we've seen from Hunter and Paladin lately, minion heavy classes do not seem to play well.

 Draft only affects card currently in your hand, just like Emperor Thaurissan. So it doesn't somehow make your deck free, just reduces what's in your hand at the time. And if you're stocking up on Chase cards that's just real card that can't fit into your hand.

 

 While I agree with what you say, it's still a lot of value. Emperor Thaurissan's effect is on a Legendary for a reason. Too many discounts = too much value. There's no way for your opponent to stop you from Drafting, whereas you can kill a Thaurissan before it procs again.

True, the more Chases you hoard, the fewer cards you actually discount, but even 1-2 Chases is a lot of discounts. It also closes you out of a lot of design space as you always have to be careful when thinking about card costs. Cheap burn spells = potential super burst. Imagine the kind of Miracle deck this class makes. My suggestion is to only allow one Draft effect active at a time. i.e. you can't stack them.

Again, Emperor Thaurissan's effect is on a Legendary. Yours is a keyword AND a hero power. Think about that for a sec.

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The problem I see with Chase being a card is cards like Gatzetzan Auctioneer as imagine this Turn 6 with coin and you have 3 drafts. Auctioneer coin draft draft draft draft and likely something else as you now have a 3 mana discount. Turns like that are massive and unlike other classes you have unlimited turn like that for example Rogue has a similar turn with preps but he cna only do it once.

The reason Im saying this is because I had the same problem but i had to try find a compromise aka it was too broken and i think so is yours.

The way I made mine is by making it used once a turn to remove the broken effect that wasnt even close to as broken as yours with Auctionner. Now the only problem would be Giant and Twighlight Drake but that is not a problem asfor me if I use my Backhand Trick I dont lose a card so the Giant and Drake would cost the same when i use it.

So as someone told me before you should add a drawback to your effect and since my solution doesnt work with your example card I suggest you can add some sort of drawback or maybe make it an alternating HeroPower? like Changing Gears ---> Chase for one turn.

PS: IF You want to see my full concept click the link below.

 

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Alright, my class is The Stargazer!

Who are Stargazers?

Stargazers look to the skies, studying the stars — wether they use them for tools of navigation or calendar, belief in ancient lore of the skies, or to uncover PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER!!! Ahem.

Our Hero and power:

So the token does nothing?

Besides provide you with late game encouragement, yes! But that's not all it does. Its purpose is that the Hero Power specifically puts it at the end of your deck, so you'll draw them last, preventing you from fatigue damage. With this, the class could support both slow, fatigue decks, or draw-heavy miracle-type decks. But wait!

The keyword for the class is called Constellation

To clarify, a card with constellation will give you another at the end of your deck. But it can only happen once for each original card; you can't get infinite copies from one copies producing copies. So if you have two copies of the same constellation card in your deck, you can end up playing four in a game. If one was added to your hand, through a random effect like Spellslinger, that would also produce a copy, and so on and so forth. Some examples:

Note: the "each time you draw this" is not a part of the keyword, just an effect I thought would work nicely with it.

So, for Comet Burst, if it wasn't in your opening hand, you could end up with it dealing 6 damage. It works well for late game removal for a fatigue deck, or a finisher for a Malygos deck. 

Also, I'm not sure what kind of cards would be good for examples, but I've got down a couple of basic cards down. However they are very much basic cards.

Let me know what you think!

 

I can't go into too much detail right now, but I love it! O.O

I think you might could work on the wording just a bit of the repetitive draw effects, and Stardust is going to be something that you're going to have to be careful of when designing your class's spells because it's far and away the cheapest source of spell damage in the game, but both your concepts and your mechanics seems solid! Just remember not to rely too much on them.

 

 

Also, with this hero power being what it is and with your class thus heavily favoring control, I would strongly consider limiting Guiding Light to minions and severely limiting your hero's access to hero-healing in general. Think Priest-like, not non-existent but also not super common.

 Priest is OK in that regard because it has healing from its hero power. This class, on the other hand, doesn't, so for it to make a viable control deck it needs healing. If Guiding Light hit just minions, it would just be an almost 100% worse Circle of Healing, at least I think. There's rarely a time where healing just your minions is worth 2 mana more than healing all minions, because if you're trading, you generally want to be killing the minion you're trading into.

I was originally also planning a stargazer class, but the challenges destroyed it XD. Like Asylum, I do like it a lot, especially the little flavour text on your token.

My stuff, if anyone has feedback:

The Medium

Sort-Of-Lore-But-Not-Really:

In the depths of the Undercity there lives a girl a blind girl with unnaturally pale skin, said to be able to see the future and talk to the well-and-truly dead like they are still in the land of the living. Although she can not see, her things are always meticulously arranged, and those that visit her for advice or fortunes say that runes are painted all around the room she lives in, in a script too delicate to have been drawn by a blind girl. Rumours say that she lives with a demon disguised as a child (hint hint classic legendary hint hint), that she has never aged for fifty years, that unnatural, ghostly sounds echo in the night as eerie lights fly about in her dwelling, but such rumours and others like them have never been proven, and those that have tried to verify them are prone to disappear without a trace, never to be heard of again.

 

Mediums are all about spirits and dark magic. By communing with the spirits of the land, her fallen ancestors, and other such spiritual bodies, Rhuna can receive 'Guidance' from them, allowing her to play her cards more cheaply and enabling combos that would otherwise be impossible, much like Emperor Thaurissan does now (I swear, they are not related in any way, shape, or form). You can use the tokens as you get them for some immediate benefit, or save them until you have certain combo pieces in hand, and use them to reduce the cost of those. The cost reduction is randomly split amongst your hand cards, and is capable of hitting the same card once, twice, or even three times, just like Arcane Missiles can hit the same minion multiple times.  'Guidance' spells and cards with similar effects will NOT attempt to reduce the cost of cards that already cost (0), or have the Ethereal keyword. <-This is important.

Now, why this particular keyword? Well, it serves two purposes. The most obvious one is that it prevents potentially unbalanced super-wombo-combos using certain cards, giving me a bit more freedom when designing so that I don't always have to be terrified of Malygos or similar cards. Another, less obvious one is that it allows you more consistency with an otherwise random effect, since Ethereal cards won't have their costs reduced. Spirits are fickle creatures. They rarely allow you to do as you please with them - and that includes their mana costs.

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 Now, for the example cards:

Explanations:

One of the many spirits at the Medium's beck and call is the Foxfire Spirit, loosely related to the Kitsunes of Japanese folklore (those ones are a little more... wild, and harder to please). When it's cost is reduced, it gains a powerful buff, becoming a 4/5. It's one of the ways that the Medium can use her cost reduction effects to create synergies. This is a rather basic example of how such synergies can work, but many other things can be done with this effect.

Mediums are also capable of calling on the assistance of powerful entities in order to create temporary pocket dimensions like the Echo Chamber, one of her potential combo pieces. Unfortunately, these entities are difficult to control and converse with, so they lend their assistance only temporarily - one of the Medium's other mechanics, effects that are temporary. The second spell will be cast on the same target as the first spell, and can lead to some pretty insane combos especially with the Medium's cost reduction effects. Also note that it will cause 'Guidance' to cast twice as well, allowing for some crazy cost reductions.

And what use is a Medium if they are unable to fight for themselves when their friends aren't around to help them? Spirit Fire is a simple board clear spell, making use of the blue fire so typical of Yokai, Ghosts, and other such creatures. It's Ethereal, allowing you to hold it in your hand until the optimal moment to unleash upon your opponents, without fear of taking away discounts your other cards need. As a combo/control based class, board clears such as this one are incredibly useful.

 

 

 

Art is just amazing. I honestly still prefer the wording of Guidance to be "Do it three times" or "Repeat three times" just to make it slightly clearer that it's not doing it to the exact same card three times, but eehhhh, you're probably sick of hearing different opinions on it all the time xD

What do you think about wording Foxfire Spirit like so, "Battlecry: If this minion costs (2) or less, do X". It feels consistent with the rest of HS's wording style. Echo Chamber feels so expensive, but probably justified in a class that reduces cost. However, the synergy with Guidance might get out of hand. Consider changing Echo Chamber to only apply to the next spell? Or even next X spells? Otherwise you can end up in a scenario of 0-cost burn spells all going face for double damage, becoming a force scarier and less interactive than Freeze Mage since you can't stop the cost reductions. Spirit Fire is nice, though not very exciting as a showcase. I suppose it does demonstrate Ethereal.

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I have started developing a Politician class idea and I was wondering if that would be considered as fitting inside the WoW lore, as there are currently no democracies but there are similar political systems. This is what I have so far:

What do you think about the hero power? I first though of making it summon a 1/1 without any card text but I wanted to make the class feel that you can ignore protesters if they are few but not if they are too many. 

I totally forgot about why I even came here amongst all the brainwracking I was doing with all of your great ideas. Anyway, I've been conceptualising my class over the past few days and I would be delighted to hear your feedback. Presenting...

The King!

Boetius, King of Fireheart, a large kingdom on a small landmass off to the East of the Eastern Kingdoms.
Pledges himself to the Alliance, and a good friend to Varian Wrynn.On his remote island, he can't fight The Horde, but his resentment for them grows each passing day.
On his own, he prepares his forces for the day his forces storm Orgrimmar.

Hero Power!

As you can quite clearly see, my hero power, and subsequently, my keyword, is based off of giving minions a small buff... While increasing the cards rarity. Which, I know, it sounds weird to make raritie's actually important but think of it as a second Tribe. First, you have what the minion is, like, a pirate or a beast, and then you have it's social class. Of course, having a hero based off rarity sounds like it could be pay to win, but for starters, you can only promote a minion until it's a legendary, then no promotions can be given to it further. So, if you want to maximize promotions, common minions are where it's at. On top of this, there will be cards that interact specifically with epics or legendaries, BUT, to get the value you need to absolutely fill your deck to the brim with that rarity of cards (Or use promotions well) and filling your deck to the top with epics or legendaries might SOUND good, but of course, you really start to limit your choice of cards. Especially with epics almost always being situational and legendaries can only be one of's. And besides, in this class, ANYONE can be a legendary as long as they have heart and spirit!

Anyway, I'll show you a couple cards now to demonstrate some of the uses and some of the many types of decks that can be built, using card rarities as a big part of it.

Alright, so here's the thing, common minions, in this deck, aren't necessarily just "Minions which are boring", they're peasants, farmers and farmers who are used to form a militia. Which is where the common deck will come from, aptly titled as Militia or Peasant King. If you don't really get what a militia is, a militia is a force of troops, all of which will just be the regular citizens with little to no combat training, being used to defend their village or city, because people living in villages with no guards around want to not die just as much as you do. Squad Leader is one of the best representatives of this playstyle. Basically, the deck plays a bunch of small, taunt minion and heals and stuff until turn 10, in which case it starts to swarm the board with peasants and  beat the hell out of the opponents with them. It's like defensive zoo. A lot of the cards will refuel your hand with random commons whilst you set up defenses, random, because you want to focus on stats rather than the generated cards value early on, and because militia's aren't made out of your own specialised selection of troops, they're made out of whoever's living in that village at that time. Oh, and also, giving new players the option of playing a budget control deck that functions with only like, one legendary, it sounds good to me.

Personal Trainer's a rare card. The rare cards will not have their own deck, they are basically going to be little independant powerhouse minions that will try to help out the other deck types as well. For example, this guy is like a Houndmaster, but instead of training up a dog or bear, he can offer his training to anyone who doesn't already know everything he knows. In other words, using this on a squad leader will promote it into a rare then into an epic, which procs its ability twice, may I add, and then doesn't have anything more to teach it. However, if you try to give your buddy Ragnaros a little training exercise (Not that you would actually ever want to do that) he won't do anything. Rag already knows his stuff. And you CERTAINLY can't expect something as skillful and strong as a Weasel Tunneler to learn anything from him, could you? This makes him a good card for common decks, but also for epic decks, as long as they run a few commons and rares as well as epics, because cards like the next one along.

Spear of Champions, suitably named, uh... Confusingly statted. I'll get to that part later though. For now all you need to know is that this card turns a high class noble into a Legendary minion while giving it a little buff. This thing also triggers on itself, making it go 3/3, 4/3, 4/2, 4/1. Or, if it triggers on something else first, maybe 3/3, 3/2, 4/2, 4/1. It is random after all. And it needs to actually kill a minion to get those buffs, and they can only go to epics, so if you're running just the weapon when it comes to epics, you'll be disappointed. Oh yeah, and of course this will be a weapons class, Boetius ain't a coward. Anyway, the stats are something I DEFINATELY want feedback on, Originally it was going to be a 5/2, but that would be run in every deck regardless of epic count, so I want you guys to help me come up with stats for it.

Also, I have made like, 3 concepts for legendaries. I'll go show you them now.

Ergeth is bad outside of a 30 Legendary deck, and in one, he tries to make the deck viable by acting as a twisting nether on legs, this is unlikely to succeed however, because 30 Legendary decks aren't very good as is, and they won't do much better in a class whose hero power does nothing to them.

Nilleuda allows the common decks to have a big, late game card to generate lots of value while refunding all commons played after her with more commons, and playing peasants onto the board. Think of it as an Illidan Auctioneer. Speaking of Auctioneer, there aren't enough cheap spells for it to work, even with the hero power, just wanted to clarify.

Finally, Lucy, Castle Mage allows you to get bigger and better spells, though with the random element will require some careful usage of spells to guarentee value out of the battlecry. Also, you can use Brann and make a legendary spell!... Not that that means much outside of one or two cards I might make in future.

Anyway, I'd appreciate it if you could give me feedback, tell me if some of my designs are completely overpowered, tell me if some of them are just stupid, and tell me which legendary is the best idea.

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I totally forgot about why I even came here amongst all the brainwracking I was doing with all of your great ideas. Anyway, I've been conceptualising my class over the past few days and I would be delighted to hear your feedback. Presenting...

The King!

Boetius, King of Fireheart, a large kingdom on a small landmass off to the East of the Eastern Kingdoms.
Pledges himself to the Alliance, and a good friend to Varian Wrynn.On his remote island, he can't fight The Horde, but his resentment for them grows each passing day.
On his own, he prepares his forces for the day his forces storm Orgrimmar.

Hero Power!

As you can quite clearly see, my hero power, and subsequently, my keyword, is based off of giving minions a small buff... While increasing the cards rarity. Which, I know, it sounds weird to make raritie's actually important but think of it as a second Tribe. First, you have what the minion is, like, a pirate or a beast, and then you have it's social class. Of course, having a hero based off rarity sounds like it could be pay to win, but for starters, you can only promote a minion until it's a legendary, then no promotions can be given to it further. So, if you want to maximize promotions, common minions are where it's at. On top of this, there will be cards that interact specifically with epics or legendaries, BUT, to get the value you need to absolutely fill your deck to the brim with that rarity of cards (Or use promotions well) and filling your deck to the top with epics or legendaries might SOUND good, but of course, you really start to limit your choice of cards. Especially with epics almost always being situational and legendaries can only be one of's. And besides, in this class, ANYONE can be a legendary as long as they have heart and spirit!Anyway, I'll show you a couple cards now to demonstrate some of the uses and some of the many types of decks that can be built, using card rarities as a big part of it.

Alright, so here's the thing, common minions, in this deck, aren't necessarily just "Minions which are boring", they're peasants, farmers and farmers who are used to form a militia. Which is where the common deck will come from, aptly titled as Militia or Peasant King. If you don't really get what a militia is, a militia is a force of troops, all of which will just be the regular citizens with little to no combat training, being used to defend their village or city, because people living in villages with no guards around want to not die just as much as you do. Squad Leader is one of the best representatives of this playstyle. Basically, the deck plays a bunch of small, taunt minion and heals and stuff until turn 10, in which case it starts to swarm the board with peasants and  beat the hell out of the opponents with them. It's like defensive zoo. A lot of the cards will refuel your hand with random commons whilst you set up defenses, random, because you want to focus on stats rather than the generated cards value early on, and because militia's aren't made out of your own specialised selection of troops, they're made out of whoever's living in that village at that time. Oh, and also, giving new players the option of playing a budget control deck that functions with only like, one legendary, it sounds good to me.

Personal Trainer's a rare card. The rare cards will not have their own deck, they are basically going to be little independant powerhouse minions that will try to help out the other deck types as well. For example, this guy is like a Houndmaster, but instead of training up a dog or bear, he can offer his training to anyone who doesn't already know everything he knows. In other words, using this on a squad leader will promote it into a rare then into an epic, which procs its ability twice, may I add, and then doesn't have anything more to teach it. However, if you try to give your buddy Ragnaros a little training exercise (Not that you would actually ever want to do that) he won't do anything. Rag already knows his stuff. And you CERTAINLY can't expect something as skillful and strong as a Weasel Tunneler to learn anything from him, could you? This makes him a good card for common decks, but also for epic decks, as long as they run a few commons and rares as well as epics, because cards like the next one along.

Spear of Champions, suitably named, uh... Confusingly statted. I'll get to that part later though. For now all you need to know is that this card turns a high class noble into a Legendary minion while giving it a little buff. This thing also triggers on itself, making it go 3/3, 4/3, 4/2, 4/1. Or, if it triggers on something else first, maybe 3/3, 3/2, 4/2, 4/1. It is random after all. And it needs to actually kill a minion to get those buffs, and they can only go to epics, so if you're running just the weapon when it comes to epics, you'll be disappointed. Oh yeah, and of course this will be a weapons class, Boetius ain't a coward. Anyway, the stats are something I DEFINATELY want feedback on, Originally it was going to be a 5/2, but that would be run in every deck regardless of epic count, so I want you guys to help me come up with stats for it.

Also, I have made like, 3 concepts for legendaries. I'll go show you them now.

Ergeth is bad outside of a 30 Legendary deck, and in one, he tries to make the deck viable by acting as a twisting nether on legs, this is unlikely to succeed however, because 30 Legendary decks aren't very good as is, and they won't do much better in a class whose hero power does nothing to them.

Nilleuda allows the common decks to have a big, late game card to generate lots of value while refunding all commons played after her with more commons, and playing peasants onto the board. Think of it as an Illidan Auctioneer. Speaking of Auctioneer, there aren't enough cheap spells for it to work, even with the hero power, just wanted to clarify.

Finally, Lucy, Castle Mage allows you to get bigger and better spells, though with the random element will require some careful usage of spells to guarentee value out of the battlecry. Also, you can use Brann and make a legendary spell!... Not that that means much outside of one or two cards I might make in future.

Anyway, I'd appreciate it if you could give me feedback, tell me if some of my designs are completely overpowered, tell me if some of them are just stupid, and tell me which legendary is the best idea.

 

 

 

 

Good potential here.

First and foremost, I think Promote should just give +1/+1. People tend to underestimate the power of Spell Power, and having one easily accessed through a hero power, especially one where you can hoard it and basically promote a Wisp into Malygos? No.

However, I think the rarity mechanic is amazing. Personal Trainer would be my favorite, as it's a lot more complex that meets the eye. I would change it to "Promote to Legendary" and nerf its stats to it pretty much becomes "Give +3/+3 to Common cards, +2/+2 to Rare, +1/+1 to Epic". It's a very minor nitpick though, feel free to ignore it.

Squad Leader would benefit from a smaller effect + a bigger body. 3-mana 1/2 baseline hurts my eyes.

Spear of Champions' effect is fine, but remember how Blizzard has fucked up every new weapon since Naxx and why. You're not going to kill anything with a 3 Attack weapon on turn 6. Keep it cheap, like a 3-mana 3/2. Also, does this proc on minions on the board or in hand? This should be made clear. I know you mentioned how it can proc on itself, but I still think it's a weird weapon. Keep things simple. The whole "3/3, 4/3, 4/2, 4/1" thing is needlessly complicated. (e.g. 3-mana 2/2 weapon. Whenever you kill a minion with this weapon, Promote a random friendly minion.)

There's a lot of design space for rarity-based buffs. e.g. A weapon that says "If this weapon is an Epic or better, it has +X Attack."