Since when can a normally played Charged Devilsaur, that gets copied by Faceless Manipulator or Ixlid, Fungal Lord attack face? That seems like a bug or oversight, since it's always an EXACT copy, including the limitation that it can't attack face this turn. Wtf is going on, I'm almost sure it didn't work in the past.
The originally played Devilsaur CAN'T ATTACK HEROES due to his battlecry. That effect should be copied as well, since Faceless and co produce an EXACT copy.
The originally played Devilsaur CAN'T ATTACK HEROES due to his battlecry. That effect should be copied as well, since Faceless and co produce an EXACT copy.
Yes, but Ixlid summons a copy of the card, thus, battlecry does not affect it because it wasn't played. There's a big difference betwen play and summon.
In the case of Faceless, faceless has the battlecry and it triggers after it enters the field, so Devilsaur's battlecry doesn't apply either.
Yes, but Ixlid summons a copy of the card, thus, battlecry does not affect it because it wasn't played. There's a big difference betwen play and summon.
In the case of Faceless, faceless has the battlecry and it triggers after it enters the field, so Devilsaur's battlecry doesn't apply either.
You don't understand. Faceless doesn't need to "trigger" Devilsaur's battlecry - THE DEVILSAUR ALREADY HAS THAT EFFECT attached to it. If you copy a minion that reads "Battlecry: Gain charge this turn", you'd get that as well if you copy it, you don't need to trigger it again.
Yes, but Ixlid summons a copy of the card, thus, battlecry does not affect it because it wasn't played. There's a big difference betwen play and summon.
In the case of Faceless, faceless has the battlecry and it triggers after it enters the field, so Devilsaur's battlecry doesn't apply either.
You don't understand. Faceless doesn't need to "trigger" Devilsaur's battlecry - THE DEVILSAUR ALREADY HAS THAT EFFECT attached to it. If you copy a minion that reads "Battlecry: Gain charge this turn", you'd get that as well if you copy it, you don't need to trigger it again.
It does, except in Devilsaur's case, which means it's very much a bug. It seems they have an issue with "Can't attack heroes"-effect, in that it's probably a flag instead of an coded effect in the game, which doesn't get copied.
Comon dude, wtf are you talking about??? It means if I play Cubelock and faceless my doom guard, than I must discard 2 cards??? Don't talk shit, there is nothing wrong with these interactions.
Comon dude, wtf are you talking about??? It means if I play Cubelock and faceless my doom guard, than I must discard 2 cards??? Don't talk shit, there is nothing wrong with these interactions.
Except that's not even remotely what's the issue here. Also, lovely choice of words. Always a pleasure to see community interaction.
What he means (I guess) is that the charged devilsaur played from hand has some attribute "cannot attack face this turn" which any copy created by faceless or other cards should also have. However, such an attribute is never copied; otherwise, if you would copy a minion which was played on a previous turn with faceless, the new copy should be able to attack on the same turn since the attribute "can attack" would have been copied. Thus, a copied charged devilaur being able to attack face is behaving as intended.
Exactly. It seems it's not treated as "effect", but rather a "flag" that doesn't get copied - which seems like an oversight. I mean if you use Potion of Madness and then use faceless, you can attack as well, can't you, despite that it should be treated as a flag and not an effect? It's inconsistent. I assume in PoM's case it simply gets the "charge" effect, while it shouldn't be treated as such.
The consistent solution would be to have "Can't attack heroes" be an effect instead of a flag - which coincidently they introduced as Rush mechanism to some degree, so it shouldn't be much of an issue forward. Still, I'd to see that they fix it.
Now if this happened in Standard than the Devilsaur must have been left on board for a turn, because there is no Aviana/Kun combo in standard. If thats the case then then the copies can go face, because the Devilsaur battlecry happened the previous turn
Faceless Manipulator copies every single effect to a minion when you play it which means in turn you play Devilsaur from hand and it activates the Battlecry, if you copy it with Faceless, it will also not be able to attack.
That's that point, if it works like you said he shouldn't be able to attack, but he does (tested it against the innkeeper - he is right i could attack the enemy hero if the copy)
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Since when can a normally played Charged Devilsaur, that gets copied by Faceless Manipulator or Ixlid, Fungal Lord attack face? That seems like a bug or oversight, since it's always an EXACT copy, including the limitation that it can't attack face this turn. Wtf is going on, I'm almost sure it didn't work in the past.
Battlecry's do not activate on summoned minions. therefore " battlecry" " can not attack hero this turn" means shit....
Because Blizzard did a shit job on their wording and they'd rather just let it ride than admit a mistake.
Because they have charge?
In the case of Faceless, faceless has the battlecry and it triggers after it enters the field, so Devilsaur's battlecry doesn't apply either.
It's a meme deck anyway.
The OP is right.You can't faceless Charged Devilsaur and go face the turn it is played.
I have seen it many times on stream,but maybe is was another kind of interaction that your eye didn't catch?
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Comon dude, wtf are you talking about??? It means if I play Cubelock and faceless my doom guard, than I must discard 2 cards??? Don't talk shit, there is nothing wrong with these interactions.
Im pretty sure a copy of Charged Devilsaur that was played from hand will NOT be able to attack face
Now if this happened in Standard than the Devilsaur must have been left on board for a turn, because there is no Aviana/Kun combo in standard. If thats the case then then the copies can go face, because the Devilsaur battlecry happened the previous turn
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The responses in this thread show just how far this place has fallen in the last 2 years