theoddone23's In-Depth Elemental
- Last updated May 4, 2017 (Un'Goro Launch)
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Wild
- 23 Minions
- 7 Spells
- Deck Type: Ranked Deck
- Deck Archetype: Elemental Shaman
- Crafting Cost: 5820
- Dust Needed: Loading Collection
- Created: 4/17/2017 (Un'Goro Launch)
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Total Deck Rating
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Intro
Hello! My name is Ivona; I go by theoddone23. I am a multiple Legend Hearthstone player. I started playing Hearthstone in September 2015, and I first hit Legend in September 2016. Since then I have been entering Legend rank consistently, finishing in the top 1000 and reaching top 100 or top 200 throughout the month. My highest reached rank so far is #97, and I did it with Mid-Range Shaman. I am also a Hearthstone streamer; I stream multiple times per week with my colleague Zeronnix. You can find our stream on this link: https://www.twitch.tv/hswithtandz if you want to learn more about us and see what decks we play. Also, I invite you to like our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/HSwithTandZ where you can stay in touch with us and know all about when we will stream and what decks we will play.
Also, this is our YouTube channel, where you can see all our previous broadcasts: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPwKrNaz6ZP_ro-8d5JezbQ
Now, about this deck! This is my theorycrafted version of Elemental Shaman that is proving to be quite good in ladder. So far I've reached rank 2 with it, and I will update this deck with detailed winrate and Legend proof when I hit legend. I am currently at 67% winrate starting from rank 5, when I began playing this deck.
This is the video of KiwiiNbacon playing this deck (thanks!):
This is the video of Danielvitor7 playing the deck (thanks!):
General playstyle is to plan your Elemental turns carefully and to always have a back-up plan in case you can't fulfill your elemental condition because of the current board state. The goal is to overwhelm your opponent early with bug taunts and valuable Elementals while making good trades on board. The reason why this version of the deck does not include Jades is because they reduce the chance for good Elemental synergy and sometimes you are not able to plan your turns well enough. Overall it is a strong deck that performs quite well on ladder so far.
Also, if you like the deck, please upvote so more people can see it!
You can also check out my other decks from the past expansion (now they are WILD decks!):
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/708529-theoddone23s-legend-61-wr-in-depth-reno-priest
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/720226-theoddone23s-legend-67-wr-in-depth-wind-fire
Also, my Hydra Pirate Warrior (NEW!): http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/817032-theoddone23s-legend-70-wr-in-depth-hydra-pirate
My Hybrid Hunter (NEW!): http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/827339-theoddone23s-in-depth-hybrid-hunter
This is a broadcast video from a few hours ago where you can see me playing the deck on stream:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/136084243
General Mulligan and playstyle
I am writing mulligans for popular classes at the moment - I will add the others if they start being played a lot, but I haven't met any of them mostly.
Warlock: (Zoolock)
- Fire Fly, Maelstrom Portal, Lightning Storm, Tar Creeper
- The mulligan is pretty much the same as against any other Zoo in the past expansions. If you have enough early game, you may keep one of the AOE removals (but noth both; pick one depending on your curve. It is very important to try to play Elemental (any 1 or 2-cost) into Tar Creeper, into Tol'Vir; rather than overloading with Lightning storm for board clear. Let the Zoo trade and then finish him off with removals spells and Thanlos. Zoo can't deal with the late game Elementals, and Kalimos (3 damage to opponent's minions) is another board clear that the Zoo can't really come back from. Your minions are much larger and represent awkward trades, so try to make it as weird as possible. Use Hex for Doomguard or adapted/buffed minions. Hot Spring Guardian is also really good for healing up your minions!!
Priest: (Elemental, Quest, One-Shot, Dragon, Control...)
- Fire Fly, Fire Plume Harbinger, Hex, Tar Creeper
- Priest (of any kind) can be an awkward matchup because of their ability to remove things efficiently, and this deck mostly revolves around strong board presence. Try to plan the Elemental turns well and get value out of Servant of Kalimos with the Elemental discovers. It is a must to play those cards for value (damage, discovers etc). Hex the buffed targets (especially if it's a one-shot) or value cards like Lyra or a deathrattle that you don't want to come back with N'Zoth or the Bishop.b It can be a difficult matchup but you will win if you manage to plan the Elementals correctly and maybe even bloodlust!
Rogue: (Quest, Garden)
- Fire Fly, Maelstrom Portal, Glacial Shard, Tar Creeper, Hex, Fire Plume Harbinger
- If you are facing a quest Rogue, try to deny him the chance to do the quest as much as possible, With early Fire Plume, you are able to get a cheap hand, early Tar Creeper and the other big Elementals in order to RUSH as much as possible! Glacial Shard is really good for freezing their face on turn 2 when they dagger up, if you have some smaller minions on the board (also denies them to set up Fan of Knives). It is always a good idea to HEX the Igneous Elemental if you think that the 1/2 Elementals that come from deathrattle are the ones they are bouncing; also try to Hex the other bouncing minions that he doesn't put back into hand (if you deny them that time). Also, Rogue often discovers Shaman Overload cards so they often overload and give you a free turn. Take advantage of that! Tar Creeper, Tol'vir and other taunts are really valuable mid-game because Rogue has a hard time dealing with them. Also, before they play the quest, make sure you clear any of the remaining minions on board no matter what, so you deny them those 5/5's. When you feel like you're losing board control, freeze their minions with Glacial Shard, kill some 5/5's with Blazecaller and try to finish them off with Bloodlust or strong minions they need to deal with. They don't run Sap or taunts so it's good to have a large board and make life awkward for them! Against Miracle Rogue, it's the same - but the relief is that they don't run the quest. Hex/Blazecaller the Gadgetzan, Hex the sleepy plant and you'll be fine :)
Warrior: (Pirate / Quest)
- Against PIRATES: Fire Fly, Maelstrom Portal, Glacial Shard, Tar Creeper, Hot Spring Guardian, Lightning Storm
- As you know, the main goal is to fight off early game and survive long enough (turn 7-8) where you overwhelm them with Stone Sentinel, Heal / Boardclear from Kalimos etc. Use Glacial Shard wisely when you can't clear something ASAP or when the opponent has a large weapon and you're quite low on health. Maelstrom and Lightning storm are super important because you need to be able to fend off early pirates. Hex Naga Corsair, Frothing Berserker or even Bloodsail Cultist if you have to (you can't kill those with the Storm without spell damage). They usually can't deal with Tol'Vir and Tar Creeper (the dream is to play Tol'vir after Tar Creeper on turn 3)! Don't hesitate to use your Hot Spring Guardian as a self-heal or healing the taunts that are awkward for him. Blazecallers kills any minion a pirate warrior has. If you are struggling, maybe tech one of the new Glutinous Oooze's :)
- Against QUEST: Fire Fly, Fire Plume Harbinger, Hex, Tar Creeper, Tol'vir Stoneshaper
- Versus Quest Warrior, you will have a LOT of time to set everything up. One of your main win conditions is Bloodlust but don't be afraid to use it to clear a lot of awkward taunts if it will give you an edge! Also, Hexing scary taunts is recommended. Be aware of Brawl since you have a lot of valuable stuff. Once he plays the quest, you don't play around Brawl anymore and go as wide as possible because of the Rag Hero power. Don't be afraid to send Blazecallers, Kalimos etc. to face after he Quests because he doesn't armor up anymore. Also, it's okay to use your Hot Spring Guardian to heal your minions to prevent Sleep with the Fishes, and Execute. Try to save one Hex for Deathwing if you suspect he plays it (he's played Curator and pulled cards while already having played Primodial Drakes etc). Your Mana Tide totem is really valuable - try to get as many cards out of it as you can!
Mage: (Quest)
- Fire Fly, Fire Plume Harbinger, Hex, Tar Creeper, Tol'vir Stoneshaper
- Try to pressure Quest Mage enough to not do the quest fast enough. Your main win condition is to pop Ice Block as soon as possible. ALWAYS leave an empty space on the board if he freezes you and you need to proc ice block, so you can play Blazecaller, Kalimos, Fire Elemental etc! (Try to keep those minions for that!!). Save Hex for Doomsayer after he freezes you if you can't trade it otherwise. Apart from that it's mostly up to him (whether he manages to control your board or not). Watch out for Counterspell and test it with less important spells - also, make sure you track how many spells he has that he got from other sources so you can calculate the future quest progress!
Shaman: (Elemental)
- Fire Fly, Fire Plume Harbinger, Hex, Tar Creeper
- In mirror, it's mostly about whether or not you hop on the Elemental train properly and what your opponent does. If he gets his Elementals and you don't open properly, there's not much you can do, like in every mirror. But you have Bloodlust and lots of discover so that gives you quite an edge! Also, Thalnos is really important for the spell damage for AOE spells.
Hunter: (Mid Range)
- Fire Fly, Maelstrom Portal, Glacial Shard, Tar Creeper, Hot Spring Guardian, Lightning Storm
- It is really important to stop early aggression and to prevent adapting the beasts on turn 2. Basically, you play like versus any other aggro deck and get value out of Tar Creeper, Tol'Vir and Hot Spring Guardian. Try NOT TO play minions/totems if you don't really need to before the 1st Unleash the Hounds, since you're giving him extra value. Hexing Savannah Highmane or buffed/adapted minions is a must. They don't really deal with Stone Sentinel either. Get either heal or clear out of Kalimos (or filling the board when you have bloodlust in hand and no minions!). Also, Glacial Shard is really valuable in early game since you are able to take over the board easily!
Druid: (Aggro)
- Fire Fly, Maelstrom Portal, Glacial Shard, Tar Creeper, Hot Spring Guardian, Lightning Storm
- Versus Aggro Druid, you basically need to deny them early board advantage. Tar Creeper into Tol'vir can do wonders - even though you may have lightning storm or some other AOE in hand, make sure you weaken his minions enough so they are clearable (if they are adapted to high stats). If you can clear them with lightning storm, though, do it - it will prevent them from pulling off Savage roar, Mark of the Lotus or something similar. Basically, don't let them have the board advantage and try to exhaust them. When they are out of cards (something that aggro Druid tends to do), you can go with Servant of Kalimos etc. and start the Elemental train. It's not a bad idea to Hex an awkward adapted/buffed minion. Also, make sure you count the Savage roar damage well. And be aware of the 5-cost minion he can get early in the game and play later! (Consider saving Hex!)
Paladin: (Control, Elemental)
- Fire Fly, Fire Plume Harbinger, Hex, Tar Creeper, Tol'vir Stoneshaper, Maelstrom Portal
- This can be a rather challenging matchup, where you need to keep a few things in mind.
- First of all, if you're playing vs Elemental Paladin, be aware of the existing synergies with Elementals (pretty much the same ones that you have). The way you fight thins is playing around the effect of a high cost Elemental (for example, don't give him good targets on turn 7 for the Blazecaller to hit for 5 damage). Try to stop them from developing an elemental if possible, by having an intimidating board that doesn't allow that luxury.
- If you are playing vs Control Paladin, you need to be a lot more careful. Basically you play your game until turn 7 or 8, where you need to make important decisions that will affect the rest of the game. First of all, you need to be aware of the Sunkeeper Tarim at all times. Try to clear his board whenever you can (especially the tokens) because the tokens, combined with Tarim, can kill your strongest minion. Totem up often if you have nothing to do and keep his board clear so you deny him some sick Tarim value. Regarding the Hex, it's okay to spend it on usual targets like Tirion and Rag, the Lightlord; but don't hesitate to spend it on a minion that has Spikeridged Steed on it. You will save a lot of your own stats on board. They, too, can often run Elementals so be aware of the synergies. The most devastating combo is Equality + Primodial Drake on turn 10: make sure you don't go all in on turn 10 if you suspect he's going to boardclear soon, since this is one of the more effective combos (even better than Pyro + Equality because you also get an amazing taunt). They all run Equality and Consecrate so don't go all in, make value trades and make it overall awkward for him to clear; and it should win you the game. Bloodlust is also a big asset if you have the board!
A few explanations... Card specifics!
- Kalimos, Primal Lord - the strongest card you could possibly have in the deck (or discover). This card doesn't really have a replacement. Its power is in its flexibility (previously described in the mulligan section). It is important to recognize what gives you the best value. Avoid playing it without battlecry at all costs. Requires planning ahead!
- Stone Sentinel - a great anti-aggro card. 4/4 is a strong body, especially awkward for Priest, plus it gives you Feral Spirit without battlecry :) Make sure you have enough room on the board when you summon it!
- Blazecaller - Amazing tempo swing and damage source. It is a highly pressuring card that requires answer even though it's not a taunt. The amount of damage it creates is just overpowering.
- Bloodlust - one of your main weapons against slower decks, also decks that don't have the luxury to clear your totems and small minions with spot removals (especially rogue and mage). Also it is quite unexpected damage and people don't want to play around it.
- Tol'vir Stoneshaper - one of the best cards against aggressive decks. Takes multiple minions to clear; avoid playing it without battlecry! Also, make sure you play an elemental on turn 3!
- Fire Plume Harbinger - an absolute must. A mini-Thaurissan for Shaman :) It's even good if you play it on turn 2 and have a few elementals in hand - I actually prefer playing it early because you need to take the board efficiently (later, you're able to play 1 Elemental per turn and that's it no matter what). It's quite nice to reduce the cost of 1-drops to 0, so you can play them without thinking about mana cost before an Elemental-requiring turn if you wanted to play something different the turn before. Definitely one of the best cards in the deck!
- WHY NO AL'AKIR? He's an elemental! The reason is simple - even though he is really strong, it's quite an overkill. You can always discover it from Servant of Kalimos, and Al'Akir isn't good in all the matchups. Sometimes you need something.. well, not better, but more situational. That's why you need to rely on your discovers a lot more.
That's it from me - for now at least! Please upvote if you like the deck, and also make sure you visit our stream and say hi :) https://www.twitch.tv/hswithtandz
Update: 17-3. Just hit rank 5. Right on time! Thanks!
Hello! I think of making this deck cause I really like Shaman and I just got Kalimos. But im short on crafting dust so I cant really craft the second legendary. Is it ok changing it with Al'Akir or with some other card? :)
I've don't use bloodmage (only cause i dont have it :/). Al'akir is fine in the deck if you want to play it. Instead of the bloodmage though i use fire plume pheonix. Sure it doesn't clear the board of the X/2's but it will get rid of the big threat that you got down to 2 health.
This deck is SEVERELY UNDER PERFORMING. I am stuck at Rank 13-14 and getting beaten by just about everything. The only change I made was swap out my Mana Tide Totem for another Stone Sentinel because I needed more defense. Any suggestions, because I spent a LOT of cards dusted to make this and am disappointed.
Hey! I am sorry you are stuck with the deck. Honestly I don't know what I would tell you since I spend hours on the guides in order to explain the whole gamestyle. But what I can see from your message is that there must be something wrong since the deck is built to beat aggro, Mana Tide Totem is really essential and I wouldn't suggest swapping it. :/ It is hard to reply to a comment like this because when you say you get betten by "just about everything" I feel like you want me to go over all the matchups and that's what I already did :D I would appreciate if you could tell me what your specific problematic matchups are and how you actually lose (out of cards, outvalued, outrushed by an opponent...) because then I might be able to help more! :)
Sorry to be so vague in my comment. I was just frustrated at the time.
I swapped back in Mana Tide Totem and have done much better lately. I still have trouble with Quest Warrior and Quest Rogue. Maybe I should be having trouble?
Hope that helps a little bit. Any advice would be awesome!!
you just gotta like... there is a saying in my country (agarrarle el ritmo), means like get to know how to play it, not just reading the guide more like instinctive plays im going 10-2 and the only change i made was .1 stone senmtinel +1 ozruk
Sounds like you already did it but keep in mind, Mana Tide Totem is effectively a taunt in the early game. They'll always trade into it. Get one card, "heal" preemptively. Good deal.
Hey :)
I'm glad you swapped Mana Tide back in. Like you said, it is a very good card. Quest Rogue is very specific and basically any deck could have problems with it if they finish the quest. And Quest Warrior, as a control deck, is hard to beat by midrange, but not impossible :)
Nothing much you can do to a decent Quest rogue. You can try and see if they get a bad start. But most of the time if i see the quest first turn and a novice second i concede right away. I wont waste my time on that game.
Who would dust their cards to make this deck lol smh
Thanks for the list! Trying this on rank 5 right now, very good against aggro. Those pesky pirate warriors (still alive ffs) and aggro druids stand no chance. Cheers!
I'm glad it's working well for you. Good luck! :D
Do you have any videos where you face something else than hunter ?
So far I've gone from rank 2 -> 4
Paladins, Shamans, Priest and mage destroygs me, and its not even close..the only games I win is against aggro decks specially hunter. The glacial shard and fire plume harbringer, simply doesn't do enough for me, yes the can give elemental synergy but on their own, they seems like a waste.
Hey :) I'm sorry to hear you dropped a few ranks. But you gotta realize we all sometimes drop ranks :D even when I was playing the deck myself, I would get into a losing streak and drop, but you come back by just playing carefully and not getting annoyed by losing.
I don't record any special videos of my gameplay, but what you could see on the stream vod where I played that Shaman, I faced quite a few classes. And yes I do face other classes :) that's why I wrote about them ;D Do you have any specific questions? :)
I've been using a deck very similar to this since the expansion release and after making a few changes based on your list I went from rank 10-5 in one afternoon! It's my first time making it to rank 5 and I'm really excited :) Ive always been a shaman main and I'm really enjoying the addition of elemental synergy.
I have a few questions for you, first off how necessary do you think Bloodmage Thalnos is to this deck? I know it is a solid card all around but in trying to decide if he is really worth the 1600 dust. I run either another mana totem or Flametongue in his place usually. I'm also trying to figure out if Earth Elemental is worth a spot in the deck, I've been testing with one in place of a Stoneshaper. It seems to do well against Druid and Hunter but really lackluster against Priest, Taunt Warrior and Mage who all have great removal and are more difficult matchups for this deck I feel. I've been testing White Eyes in its place for a few days now just to see if the added value of the Storm Guardian helps in those longer control games. It seems to do pretty well but not being an elemental can be a bit of an issue, do you have any thoughts on it?
Last thing I promise lol, have you had a chance to test the Jade/Elemental deck and compare it to this deck? The Jade/ele seems to be more popular but I tend to win most matchups against them with my pure ele deck. Including Jade cards seems to add more removals at the cost of elemental synergy, so I guess it does better against pirate warrior and hunter but not as well against the control and quest decks which I seem to struggle with the most anyway.
I actually have lots of questions over this deck but I think I'll just wait for your next stream :) thanks for making such a fantastic deck and guide!
Hey :) first of, thanks for an amazing feedback and congrats on a successful climb!
Ragarding Bloodmage, he isn't really necessary if you replace it properly - both his effects are quite important so I would choose one and play either Loot horder for draw, or Kobold for spell damage (depending on whether you are seeing more control, or token decks).
I tested Earth Elemental, and it didn't really worked for me because of a huge overload, not allowing anything to be played on turn 6 :( Also, White Eyes can be quite good but as you said I think you have so many taunts already that it's kind of disrupting elementals and it's a bit of a taunt overkill :D
Regarding the Elemental Jade deck, man have I tried to make that thing work. :D For some reason - it just doesn't do it for me. xD Some people prefer that version, but I don't think it's worth running them (or at least that's my preference) because of the elemental synergy. Too often I would get overloaded by Jade claws not being able to play what I want next turn, and Aya on turn 6 demands that you have a token elemental to play turn 7 to prep for Kalimos (so there is no way for Stone Sentinel or Blazecaller on turn 7). I thought it was just too slow. :(
You are very welcome on stream :D I haven't been live in 2 days now because of my exams that I'm taking but I'm pretty sure I will stream tonight in my usual time (10 PM, CET). So feel free to drop by! :)
Thanks for the quick response! I think we are definitely coming to the same conclusion on all those points, which makes sense since we are running such similar decks. It's nice to hear someone else's opinion though :D
I may end up crafting Bloodmage just because he fits in so many decks and I want my ele Shaman to be the best I can possibly make it!
I think I've just been trying to tech against my bad match ups a little too much while I should just be going for consistency in the elemental chain. Like you said in another comment, trying to tech like that is just going to make it harder against good match ups. I'll never forget when I tried using 2 Dirty Rat about a week ago to counter Quest Rogue and it ended up screwing me over big time in every other match xD
I'll be sure to try and make it to the stream, might be a little weird because of our time zones but it shouldn't be an issue. I checked out some of your past broadcasts on YouTube and you both seem like really nice people so I'll probably stop by regularly if I can :) plus I've been looking for a streamer that plays elemental Shaman and you've definitely put in a lot of work to this deck!
Thalnos is really good, the spell power is amazing against most agro decks, makes maelstrom so much better. Thalnos is a very popular legendary, it s definitly worth the dust.
I agree, it goes into so many versions of Mage too. Definitely worth it!