[UPDATED] MarkW's Anti-C'Thun Rogue
- Last updated May 3, 2016 (Old Gods)
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Wild
- 20 Minions
- 10 Spells
- Deck Type: Ranked Deck
- Deck Archetype: Mill Rogue
- Crafting Cost: 4280
- Dust Needed: Loading Collection
- Created: 4/27/2016 (Old Gods)
- MarkW
- Premium
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Battle Tag:
#2464
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Region:
EU
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Total Deck Rating
365
Hi, this is MarkW, a Hong Kong player in EU.
UPDATE: Swapped a Shadowstep with a Vanish. Been trying this for the past few days, 12-1 (From 1-3 May). Swapped 2 Wolfrider for 2 Argent Horserider, Xaril for Edwin VanCleef
Since 11:30 last night, I've been playing ever since. The trend almost immediately set on C'Thun, and it has been frustrating.
Currently 36-4 (29/04/16)
This is the new solution.
Aggro Rogue was a Top Tier deck during Vanilla. It has always been very explosive with even more burst than the notorious Face Hunter. The downfall of the deck was the increase of Warrior decks and the prevalence of strong Deathrattle minions like Haunted Creeper that trade favorably into your one health minions.
This kind of proactive, consistent decks that punish inconsistencies from other decks. The first few days or weeks you will find a lot of bad slower decks, that frequently stumble if confronted with a high-pressure deck.
Because of the decks high density of 1 mana minions and the very consistent initial high pressure output (you can build a big board rather quickly), you put your opponent on a time constraint. Using removal or a hero power on Pit Snake will put him even further behind. And sometimes your opponent can’t remove the Pit Snake, and is then in a terrible spot.
Why did I choose these cards:
At first, you might look at this card and think it’s bad, because it only has one health and your opponent can just use his hero power and ping it and then it’s gone. Yes of course he can do that, but Aggro Rogue is a blistering fast aggressive deck. Very often your opponent will lose a lot of tempo by using two mana for a hero power. Imagine the following situation: It is turn 5 and you have a Bladed Cultist, Argent Squire and Pit Snake against an empty board of a Druid. He simply can’t play Druid of the Claw, he has to use his hero power in favor of playing a minion. That is a huge tempo loss for the Druid and Pit Snake is even more potent against Classes that don’t have a ping hero power like Shaman. Flamewreathed Faceless will be a very popular card and with Aggro Rogue you not only have Sap as a very powerful answer, you also can have Pit Snake on the board, which the Shaman needs to remove before he can play his 7/7.
Because of the decks high density of 1 mana minions and the very consistent initial high pressure output (you can build a big board rather quickly), you put your opponent on a time constraint. Using removal or a hero power on Pit Snake will put him even further behind. And sometimes your opponent can’t remove the Pit Snake, and is then in a terrible spot.
Mulligan:
Generally you keep every one mana minion in your opening hand. With the Coin you can also keep Defias Ringleader or SI:7 Agent. Against weapon based classes you can also keep Cold Blood with Argent Squire.
During the first few turns you want to have board control and try to keep it by making favorable trades. After the early stages of the game, there are two possible scenarios. Your opponent can’t get board control and will simply lose, or he is regaining board control. In the later case you want to start assembling some burst and possibly use some card draw to draw into it. Coldlight Oracle and Shadowstep will help you doing that. A combination of Southsea Deckhand, Wolfrider, Leeroy Jenkins, Cold Blood, Eviscerate and Shadowstep will give you an abundance of possibilities to finish your opponent from a very high lifetotal (15-20+).
Final Notes
At first I did not want to publish this deck because I think it is really strong and I want to finish at a high legend Rank, but after some consideration, I have chosen otherwise. Because the deck is very similar to the old Backspace Aggro Rogue, it is actually rather hard to play. For example cards like Shadowstep and Coldlight Oracle are not easy to use optimally and the opimal usage is different in some matchups and game states. Skill wise there are literally worlds between this deck and something like Aggro Paladin or Aggro Shaman. So when you start playing the deck, don’t expect a lot of miracles, because it will take quite some time to play the deck very well if you are not familar with the old Backspace Aggro Rogue.
King Mukla can be a very good addition to the deck, especially with the nerf to Big Game Hunter. Your opponent can’t feed Mukla with the Bananas and then use BGH. Mukla is very strong against Druid and Control decks. But he is rather bad against other aggressive decks, so I’m not sure.
I think Control Warrior and some sort of Taunt Druid will be rather difficult matchups. ButTaunt Druid has a very high chance to just be a shitty deck. The lack of good card draw, good mass removal, good removal for bigger minions and the lack of any kind of burst make Taunt Druid look rather bad to me. I don’t see this deck sticking around. Of course people will try playing it, and get farmed for several days by Shamans, Control Paladins, Freeze Mages and even Control Warriors.
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Nice video, I'll be sure to attach it to the deck spotlight section when I have time today.
Thanks a bunch :D !
This deck is trash. Stop favoring decks that don't work.
I have to agree with this. I played 16 games with this deck starting at Rank 5. I ended up going 3 wins 13 losses bringing me back to Rank 8. This deck might have had a place when ToG first came out, but its time is over already.
I'm sorry to hear that, perhaps adapt a different play style and see how that goes.
Very nice deck, I was looking for quest deck, but it seems it will be one of my favorite to play next month. Do not have Leeroy Jenkins, so I am using Argent Commander, and I swapped one Pit Snake with Patient Assassin. Druids and Mages were removing Snakes to easy with hero power. It was usually dead card against them.
I have to say that I started very bad with this deck. 0-5 I guess it was bad RNG, I finished quest with 6-5 at the end.
Still have to play it bit more, if it shows to be good as it was good for quest than I will craft Leeroy Jenkins
Good job !!!
Thats the good thing with Pit Snake, that it forces 2 mana to remove. Its a big tempo loss.
Well, sometimes it is, sometimes not so much. Against Druid with gazillion taunts I would rather remove his taunt than make him spend 2 mana.
It all depends of how lucky you have been with draws and which way the game is going, and who are you fighting, of course. Sometimes tempo loss is enough, but sometimes I would rather snake to remove something.
Thank you for your kind words, this deck is slightly less effective now with the C'Thun hype dying down.
Patient Assassin is sometimes better than Pit Snake because of stealth. Not so easy to be removed by hero powers as Snakes. Snake is cheaper for combos though.
I have only one Patient Assassin and I am using it instead one Pit Snake Also like you do not have Leeroy Jenkins but I am using Argent Commander
Nice video, I'll be sure to attach it to the deck spotlight section when I have time today.
Since Leeroy Jenkins seems to be for burst damage and/or finisher, Reckless Rocketeer or Argent Commander could work. The Rocketeer is one less damage, so it may not matter that much. The Commander is two less, but has better sticking power due to divine shield.
I don't have Xaril, Poisoned Mind, so what is good replacement for him?
There isn't a really good one. I haven't used the deck yet and I'm not an amazing deck architect, but I think Loot Hoarder could be a potential replacement? But you should get Xaril asap, since he'll be played in basically all Rogue decks for a while.
Hello Everyone
I have all of the cards required for this deck except pit snake. Any viable replacements for it ?
Also how is this deck with and without pit snake ?
Thanks
I personally do not think there is a viable replacement. Nothing even comes close to doing what pit snake does for this deck, which is deny your opponent stabilizing minions like taunts and threats like Flamewreathed Faceless in favor of removing pit snake, putting them further behind and you farther ahead.
Would it be worth playing this deck without pit snake ?
Yeah you can, you could substitute Pit Snake out for abusive sargeant, the extra 2 attack can do wonders for lethal turns and early trading against high priority minions, but you will run into trouble against taunt druid like mentioned in the guide. Even with Pit Snake that match up is unfavorable. The deck would still be a very scumbag aggro deck that will make your opponents add you after game to call you things i will not mention here =p.
Thanks for the advice, I'll see how it goes.