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Quote from Alan3000 >>

Agreed

Symphony of Sins Literally murder 7 know cards below

• Tickatus Corrupted version
• Valdris Fergorge
• Keli'dan the Breaker
• Infernal
• The Dark Portal
• Dreadlich Tamsin
• Hellfire
• Drain Soul

So the changes should be

Symphony of Sins: Cost 6, each Movement cost 4:

• Movement of Wrath: Deal 5 to all characters
• Movement of Pride: Draw your Highest Cost Minion. Reduce its cost by (5)
• Movement of Greed: Draw 5 cards
• Movement of Gluttony: Give a minion in your hand, deck and battlefield +5/+5
• Movement of Envy: Remove the top 5 cards from your opponent's deck
• Movement of Desire: Lifesteal. Deal 5 damage to the enemy hero
• Movement of Sloth: Summon a 5/5 Demon with Taunt and Reborn

 Alan I agree with the thoughts but I don't think some of these are enough of nerfs. I do not think movement of pride should even reduce cost by 5. Even that is still too strong in standard. That would make Sargeras cost 4 which is still too dominant. I think Sargeras should be DEFAULT cost 10 mana, and that it should reduce him by (1) which would put him at 9. Essentially, if the Warlock makes it to turn 9, or 8 with a coin, they automatically win the game. Unless they nerf the taunt minions this is the only way. The fact of the matter is, the minions having taunt is too much defense for them each round on infinite value. Movement of Envy, removing 5 cards from your opponents deck for even 4 mana is really strong, I'd be fine with settling for 4 cards, but i'm inclined to say 3. 3 or 4 for sure should be going range. Otherwise, it's great to discuss with someone with an actual rational and reasonable changes. While we disagree on little, we agree on much. I just hope those in charge of the changes, are as competent as two random Hearthstone players on a forum are. Perhaps me and Alan3000 should be recruited to work for the balance team on Hearthstone? Because of recent it's been an absolute joke and a pathetic performance by their balance team. No wonder multiple people got fired, its time for some change. There must have been too much complatency there.

Are we sure that Tony is banned and not just reworked or nerfed ?

Is that icon meaning for sure he get banned ?

Yes

It could mean reworked, but it's not present for tony in standard, as they are across the other ones in multiple formats.

Well then I'm sad. I was using it to draw a couple of cards from opponent deck and then getting rid of him with Recombobulator

Card was fun, and will be gone because of toxic OTKs. Fuck this.

Should be reworked into :

Both player draw cards from their opponent deck, instead of drawing from their own, but only if both decks are not empty. 

And then no Jailer scam, no Un'goro scam, and no fatigue OTK scam with naturalize.

Just make it fun come on

No changes to Odyn is mindblowing.

How could Trial of the Jormungars possibly warrant a nerf. Is it strong in Wild?

My guess is that because everyone and their mom is playing jade & discolock,

Team5 was "afraid" everyone would flock to Midrange Hunter

Why is Chamber nerf only listed in Twist?

I was wondering why this was the case as well. It would stand to reason that Wild would also change, so hopefully that's just a typo on their end.

A lot of these were in the "Matter of time" category in terms of nerfs. It's no secret that Gadgetzan Auctioneer has dodged the most nerfs of any card in the history of the game, but it ran out of luck this time around. People said all over that Tony, King of Piracy was going to get nerfed eventually upon its release, and while this isn't a nerf just yet, getting banned from Wild demonstrates how unfun this mechanic is, and means that - while we're not getting its nerf yet - they were right in that assessment. Firemancer Flurgl always felt super disgusting due to Toxfin giving you a 3 mana, 2 card one-sided board clear option which could be tutored easily. And then there's Mechwarper, which is almost certainly getting the Sorcerer's Apprentice treatment at the end of the Twist season for how much it allowed Mech decks to vomit their hands ridiculously early. 

It's just as unfun in Standard and the Tony Druid deck has taken over the entire top end of ladder.

I never considered that. You bring up a good point.

I’m sorry, but I don’t buy that explanation. Blizzard has no problem producing patch notes, in a variety of languages, in time for each patch, which usually follows just shortly after these teasers. And you can’t convince me that these graphics require any less effort to produce . And if they didn’t provide official translations, there would be plenty of volunteers to produce informal ones. 

I think Blizzard just chooses to turn out these teasers in the mistaken belief that they generate more hype for the game,

If this was really their line of thinking, it would be very counterproductive (on a company level). Like, if you make your game available in multiple languages don't use that as an excuse to delay fixes to the game when they are needed. You didn't had to provide that support for multiple languages you did it because you wanted to, don't bring it up as an excuse now. Also, Blizzard has other games where patch notes come first in a language and then, after a day or two, are translated into the others. So it wouldn't be a first time.

It's more than probably either a marketing scheme or they're not 100% sure on some changes and they want to have this extra day to test the impact.

Anyways, not a big annoyance. 

Why these damn teasers? Just tell us what you’re going to nerf! In! Plain! English!

I don’t really understand why they chose to nerf Coppertail. It doesn’t seem like an overpowering card. I think mech rogue would prefer a different mech if one were offered at 3 mana. Nerfing it, say to 4 mana, would hurt mech rogue a lot simply because there isn’t a good alternative.

I wonder what they want to do with these DK cards. Nobody plays Frost Queen Sindragosa, because it's a two-color card and Blood/Frost has never been a thing. It's a good discover, but a single buff is unlikely to make it playable in any deck (unless they change its rune requirements).

Down with the Ship and Tomb Traitor aren't the problem, the whole plague archetype is, because with plagues you want to play a slow, control game, but Unholy/Frost is not suitable for this. Therefore, anything other than giving both cards Lifesteal is unlikely to be enough to make current Plague DK viable.

At the same time, these are the only two cards from the entire plague package that require the Frost rune, so maybe it will simply be removed or replaced with a second Unholy rune. This would open up completely new possibilities for the archetype (e.g. pure Unholy or mix with Blood).