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Thank you, and good luck with it! It's a really insane tool if you're using it properly :).
And I guess I'm getting the wrong impression. I don't know what the standard wild Jade Druid looks like, but some of those that I faced have been full of big creatures enough that the 4/4s didn't feel relevant. I'll try more, sorry for misunderstanding.
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Because Druids can do the exact same with Jade Golems as you can do with Lab Recruiters. You stalemate and it isn't exactly a win. Skulking actually lets you win, instead of the alternative case where the winner is decided by whoever values there time in life more by conceding and moving on lol, rather than playing for 1h+.
And yeah, Skulking + Flik is so slow. I still need to test it out more but yeah.
Oh also, this has probably been done 1000x before, but I made this fatigue & draw calculator today, just to help me spot lethal, how far from lethal both players are, etc :). It's already helped me spot lethal a few times where I would've missed it. I'm big noob tho so idk how useful this is to professionals such as yourself. You just need to make a copy into your own Drive to get edit permission and to start using :)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10GoB4d8NztXPbmFz2EQja1anVi_-TVJz/view?usp=sharing
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This deck is really well refined compared to the last.
-1 barrel for +1 Coin feels really good;
barrel is most often dead in my hand, doesn't always kill and doesn't always trigger. Intuition tells me that you should barrel -> Doomsayer, but I find it's actually better to Doomsayer -> barrel. The 7HP on Doomsayer allows you to trade minions more often than not vs the 5HP provided by barrel, rather than just preventing their drop. Therefore, if Doomsayer is required for barrel to be a good drop next turn--if A must precede B--naturally its better to have 2A -> 1B. It's a nice little optimization.
An advanced combo I've found is, if you'd have lethal with Oracles, but need at least 2-3 of them and can only access 1 of them for whatever reason, playing Valeera + Secret Passage generates two Shadows, giving you three Oracles from only one in hand. I used to think that Secret Passage is really bad, but once you get to understand it, it feels way better to play with it than without, especially because of how dispensable it is at one mana to free up your hand. Same with Coin.
Two Togwaggle's was something I was playing with, but it more often than not gets out of control and you end up putting too many things in your deck. I like to keep Togwaggles > Lab Recruiter in control matchups, so much so that I replace even Lab Recruiter and Shadowstep if Oracle isn't in the opening hand. This is especially true for Jade Druid. In these matchups, going fast is all that matters to me, if you're provided with early combo cards. You can freely mill your own Brann and Valeera here, I find. If you keep drawing and keep playing 2/2s & 2/3s, milling yourself in the process, you can draw all their deck by turn 9-12.
Tastyfin is just so good--it can't be stated enough. It makes the deck so much more consistent, and one Tastyfin is essentially giving you more value than one Oracle in terms of draw. This is because: If you don't land on it within the first 5-6 turns (1/3rd deck drawn), you've either already drawn some of your murlocs (good), or strong removal/turn skips (good). If you do draw it however, you don't just draw +2 cards, you draw +2 minions. And you don't even do that: you draw +2 murlocs that give more draw. The result is a self-reinforcing loop of positive EV. Because you (predictably) drew murlocs that draw cards, the next draw that the drawn cards provide is more predictable and consistent in itself, because you're drawing from a less varied pool! Swindle will now draw more predicable minions, and murlocs draw non-specific cards slightly more predicatably! Tastyfin is a win-win card regardless of if you draw it. It might even be worth running two Tastyfins just for the principle of its value, although maybe not - one is good in itself.
Also speaking of Swindle, I feel like the second one to be played is almost always dead in hand. After the first I never seem to need another. Need to test more. -1 Swindle +1 Tastyfin might be good.
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today got legend with this deck, have few replacement but core cards remains the same
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I don't see him replaceable, sometimes I can copy him many times to win against Jade druid because he kills all Jade golems on board each turn.
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"I have considered switching minstrel with tasty fin, just haven't gotten to testing it yet if the immediate draw was necessary or if silence was a big thing, but it doesn't seem to be, so it seems like a good switch. Sometimes though, I don't actually want minstrel to draw coldlight (like in aggro matches or mill mirror), so it may not actually be a good switch, will just have to test it."
Silence hasn't been an issue at all. I think I've run into one priest that was running Mass Dispel, but I ended up milling both of his Mass Dispels and they were at the bottom of his deck anyway. I kind of wish I hadn't milled his Mass Dispels because he would've probably used them to draw more, lol. I can see certain situations where Minstrel could work better, but I love the guaranteed Coldlight draws from Tastyfin because this deck lives or dies with drawing them early-ish. I also really like the Tastyfin+Backstab combo to guarantee the draws.
"I agree that having 2 lab recruiters is pretty good, I just include the scheme to get shuffles going a little faster if I get bad draw vs. a combo/tickatus deck, and to prevent situations where I can't go infinite because the opponent also runs mill cards and they mill my valeera the hollow, so I need to scheme the recruiter. However, I see how secret passage could be better in situations where you are desperate to survive or need some additional value as valeera (though I haven't really ever needed an additional shadow)."
Yeah, I think this is a flex spot for sure, and I can totally see how Scheme plays better versus mill decks. If I start seeing a lot of Mill, I would swap Scheme back in. I have really liked Secret Passage so far. One game I was even able to Secret Passage into double Swindle to refill my hand.
"I can see how glacial shards would be quite powerful. I mainly included the prize vendors for draw consistency and being able to end the game a bit faster by going through the opponent's deck faster, but probably not super necessary, especially if you run tastyfin. Will definitely try it."
Imo, they are the best card of my suggestions. These little dudes are like the unsung heroes of my deck. Nasty dudes that have saved my ass multiple times.
"I'm not really convinced that doomsayer is necessary. I feel I have enough stall against decks which seek to create board pressure. However, secret mage, hunter, and demon hunter matchups, for example, can be really rough without antique healbot, so I'm not convinced I can cut one of them. Yes, it's much worse if you draw both in situations where you don't need them, but I feel if you don't need the healbots, you're usually winning, or too far behind for doomsayer to work anyway, and if you only have 1 in your deck, you're not as likely to find it when you do need it. All of this is being said without having glacial shards in my deck though, so it's possible that with the inclusion of glacial shards, the healing becomes less necessary."
Yeah, I'm with you on Doomsayer not really being necessary. I dunno, though. They have won me a couple games out of a 100 or so where I was able to make one stick. Not really sure if they are worth it and truthfully I would rather have another Healbot for the battlecry, but that extra Healbot just always was in my hand. I also run the double Evasion, like you, so the second Healbot just never seemed necessary. Maybe there is another card other than Doomsayer that would work better, so we should keep optimizing to figure out what's working and not. I've thought about swapping the Doomsayer for a Sudden Betrayal to play my secrets out of order and throw the opponent off. First, they see an Evasion (or Sudden Betrayal), then they think the next time, they attack with the wrong minion to try and trigger the same secret, but it would be the opposite. As you say, this deck is kind of meta dependent, so optimizing might not happen.
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Warhorse Trainer can be played for instant damage, Carnival Barker cant. So no, this isn't better in a hyper aggressive deck
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Interesting, cool card! And that's probably why it won't see play in rogue.
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Meanwhile Rogue is most nerfed class ever.
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After nerfs rogue is in the edge of garbage tier.
Can't go aggro because the lack of support.
Galakrond is hot garbage now.
Secret and stealth are both half decks, you can't complete a full 30 cards deck without fillers.
Highlander is trash after Alex nerf.
Many classes are nerfed to the oblivion but for some reason hunter with an insane ammount of extremely powerful and underscosted cards remain untouched, why? I don't have a clue.
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Lol that’s definitely not true. Easy to point to many times where rogue was not tier 1
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Libram Paladin will still be strongest deck, lunacy mage probably still 2nd strongest or at least top 5. Watch post rogue is the definite loser of these nerfs. 4 out of 6 nerfs are targeting that deck.
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Think of cloak of shadows having the text: Deal 10 damage. That’s basically what it is when you have a giant weapon.
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Ogre rogue being the hottest wild deck really says something about the state of rogue in wild lol. Doing pretty well with n’zoth mill rogue though, regular mill rogue is not as good against tax Paladin and the influx of other aggro decks to beat otk mages and such
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Upvoted for the drawings lol. I’ll never play this deck but you deserve it.
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Not all cases of suspension involve killing someone, and also the cops are suspended regardless of being innocent or guilty, simply during investigation. If the cop is found innocent, it wasn’t murder, making your statement false. If it was actually murder, it means the cop was found guilty and will no longer be suspended but either face jail time or whatever punishment the judge sees fit. So no, they don’t get paid vacations after murdering someone, because that has to be proven. If you are simply against paid suspension, that is a separate issue, and one that I’d be inclined to agree with, or instead of being paid, just get subsidized for living expenses, like welfare.
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That’s why I put “balanced” in quotation marks, because it is a theoretical balance. In reality, at the moment there is not really as much “late game” where it would in fact be a bad draw. End game is sometimes just skipped by an overwhelming early and mid game, or might only last a turn.
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Yes it’s common for business to suspend people who have not been proven to do a crime. Even beyond businesses, it happens with cops and teachers who are accused of wrongdoing, which are government positions.
I think it’s rather easy to understand actually. Sure it could seem unfair for the accused, but if that person is actually guilty, it would be very bad for the reputation of the organization because it is as if they were supporting a criminal. Organizations would rather take the safe approach, since in most cases, there is more backlash from NOT suspending the accused than there is from suspending them.
There are some exceptions to this case, if the accused is in an iconic or very popular position for example, such as with Johnny Depp. Johnny Depp was accused of domestic abuse, when it is likely he was actually the victim, but Disney suspended him regardless and faced MAJOR backlash because people couldn’t imagine pirates of the Caribbean without him. Hearthstone on the other hand is well fit to survive without Zalae so it not nearly as impactful losing him as it would be if they supported a domestic abuser.
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It’s hard to say if it should be changed. The thing about devolving missililes is that it’s great for early game tempo, but its usefulness decays a lot as the match goes on. Turning a 3 drop into a 0 drop for example is great, but turning 3 5 mana cards into 3 4 mana cards doesn’t do that much, especially if you are running high value Battlecry minions because then you might actually benefit from devolving missiles. Later on in the game it reduces a lower percentage of your tempo than in the early game, so it’s “balanced” by being a bad draw in the late game and a fair draw in the mid game.
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Clearly you don’t understand wild players. I am a wild player, and no, I have not spent $5000 on the game. I haven’t spent money on cards since whispers of the old gods. The best part about wild is that you DONT HAVE TO SPEND MONEY. You figure out a few decks you like, and then when new expansions roll around, there might be a few new cards you want and you can easily get enough dust from gold to make them. Eventually, you can even build up enough extra dust to craft an entirely different deck and then maintain more than a couple decks. It’s really not difficult to get cards for wild, you just simply don’t disenchant cards that could ever be useful/fun to play.