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Druid and evolve shaman.. evolving into this with a few extra mana… yuck

Thanks for including one of my decks! As mentioned before, people shouldn’t expect custom decks to be refined and maybe some of these ideas don’t end up working out, but they are just there to give an idea for what could work. I know that I will need to adjust my lists once I play the first few days to see how the deck feels. It’s hard to know what to adjust just from speculation.

Nice for rogue hero power follow up

Remember when Preparation was too strong and forced many high value rogue spells to be inefficient without preparation? Well look where we are now. Might as well unnerf preparation again

Reno and Brann back in Standard. Hype :o

What time is the update?

Hey dude! Awesome video, appreciate the support and trying out my deck. That first matchup was awesome. Really satisfying to beat aggro. As for the second matchup against pirate warrior, it can definitely be rough if you get a bad start. Starting with swindle without coin is definitely too greedy and I probably would have kept the evasion. Getting golakka crawlers by turn 3 or 4 is one of the best ways to win, but your starting hand was definitely heavy. Armor vendor on 1, golakka on 2 is what you should be shooting for. I also think getting rid of your first coldlight without shuffle was not ideal, since it makes your draw much slower

You’re welcome! I like it too, still working on some possible changes. Almost made it to legend just by testing different things haha.

Feels that way for Rogue too. Good Hero card, pretty much everything else is pushing for a meme archetype. Some promising Deathrattle synergy but no good deathrattles to use it with.

Deathrattle synergy for rogue yet no new Deathrattle… why? Even for neutrals there’s only like, 1 new Deathrattle minion that could maybe fit into the list and that’s popsicooler, but likely won’t make the cut anyway. Rogue’s new Deathrattle is… a maybe good Deathrattle from another class. Great.

It's only about 3-5% of the meta (Diamond 4 - Legend), but it's the strongest deck in the game right now according to Vicious Syndicate newest report: https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/wild-vs-data-reaper-report-32/

I've definitely seen enough of them to warrant its consideration. Only problem with the location minions is they are stealthed and are pretty much guaranteed to hit you at least once before you can handle it. Have you seen the new rogue legendary? Wonder if it's worth including? https://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/1414902-shadow-of-demise

Need a way to handle the enormous X/X coming down from Edwins and the rogue location minions. Wonder if there’s room for a sap and secret package to run blackjack stunner too? If not those, how do we deal with miracle rogue?

Hey guys, first of let me tip my virtual hat to you for the guilde, sometimes I am surprised these deck introductions are for free

I loved mill rogue for such a long time so happy to see this around, I went and give a try too! My first game was against shadow aggro priest where I thought I am not gonna make it - dragged it long enough, the guy had to deal 100+ dmg to me through the game, I even got bursted to 1 health but still managed to get it out - also made him quit the game which counts too :D

Unfortunately second game got into pirate warrior, my "favorite" deck so far. Couldnt get that one though.. I feel like I could have get there but might have done decisions that lost me the game. Still its just faceroll quest warrior though. Happy to hear some thoughts on the second MU.

Tbh for me the mill decks were peak of hearthstone fun so I am glad you brought this up once again. Glad to play it. Bellow is video of me battling the aggro scum :)

Thanks everyone and have nice day!

Fantastic guide, thank you for your effort and inspiration!

 I love this deck! Thanks!

 What a great job! Thanks for keeping this archetype alive, I will try It out

Amazing guide.  Thank you so much for this. Going to try it out for a week. I'll report back soon.

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A post which is complaining about people complaining and attacking people personally (calling them pussies) who attack people personally. Sounds like you are part of the problem.

First of all you've missed the point entirely. 

Second, I'm not complaining about people complaining - I'm complaining about the state of the community. I'm perfectly fine with people complaining about stuff - its good for everyone to voice their opinion and I encourage that. My point is that people constantly complain about stupid things - not to make the game better but to suit their own agendas.

Never complained about personal insults either - I said that people take such great offence to any criticism on their statements that they immediately resort to personal insults. It's just toxic and wasn't how the core community used to be. So yeah, I'll stand by my statement of 'self entitled pussies' because I cant think of another term to describe them.

And sure I complain about things - a lot of things but the difference between me and the self entitled crew - is that I will concede on a point I've made if there is a good enough argument against it. I don't complain about cards unless I have statistical evidence to back up that the card is OP and rarely (if ever) resort to personal insults unless someone personally attacks me first. 

You response ignored all of the points I made and responded with a non sensical statement to attempt to portray me as a hippocrit - I feel like only one of us is part of the problem here and it isn't me!  

 Fine, you want me to prove I didn’t “miss the point”?

1. You are indeed complaining about people complaining. The reason you said the “state of hs community” is bad is because people are whiny and self centered and won’t be happy unless they get their way. To this, you further added that it is “so annoying” and that when you got called out for whining, you said it’s okay for people to whine. What then, decides whether it is right for people to whine? It seems you placed yourself as an intellectual superior who has selfishly stated that you have the right to whine but people who “don’t get your points” don’t.

2. Saying a community is toxic because it attacks people while at the same time attacking people just proves that you are toxic by your own definition. You immediately resorted to attacking me, for example, even though I simply made an observation and recorded that observation as a comment.

3. Saying you are better than the “self entitled crew” because you know when to concede points is highly arrogant because other people often do the same if they are proven wrong, and it also puts you in a position where you are justifying the way that you complain which is completely subjective, so deciding that your complaining is righteous but theirs isn’t is a very “holier than thou” toxic mindset.

4. I didn’t ignore anything. I chose not to go into a detailed response because I didn’t want to. You complaining that I didn’t is just more proof that you are toxic since I have no obligation to go beyond what I said but you want to victimize yourself saying that it’s not you who is causing problems, but everyone around you. I changed my mind because I feel you should know how ridiculous you sound.

5. Throwing out the idea that I am part of the problem after I simply made an observation on your post is the true nonsense. What I said has absolutely no comparison to what you described. You complained about people who Whine about cards which are not proven to be good and attack people personally when they are proven wrong. I did neither of those things, so saying I’m part of the problem is just a defense mechanism and makes absolutely no sense but further proves that you are part of THIS problem which YOU stated of people who attack people personally who criticize them. Open your eyes to hypocrisy. Just because you don’t like what I said doesn’t mean it is untrue.

Listen I'm not going to get into a detailed argument with you because you're dead set on ridiculing anything that I say, so I'll keep this as brief as possible. My overall argument has never been that people shouldn't be complaining, that's absurd and I've stated multiple times that I m perfectly fine with people complaining - its just a bit excessive right now and even when people do complain no one ever seems to agree anyways. I felt in the past things were a lot more constructive and it was genuinely fun to engage with the community for the most part.

By your own logic I suppose you're complaining about me complaining about others complaining. What a time to be alive!

At no point in any of my posts have I personally attacked you - if you could care to highlight exactly where I attacked you or which parts of my response offended you, that would be appreciated because I'm genuinely lost as to how you see my response as a personal attack on yourself?

You've made multiple incorrect assumptions throughout your response and then responded to those assumptions, which is honestly ridiculous. As I stated above I've never personally attacked you, I've never suggested that anyone doesn't have a right to complain but I do, I've never suggested that my complaints should be held in a higher regard than anyone else's, I've never suggested that I'm the victim and everybody else it the problem but me - yet you've went out of your way to state that all of those are the case. Which doesn't in any way prove that you didn't "miss the point", it proves you're highly manipulative, if you ask me.

One point I agree with though, is that - my response was arrogant when I suggested that I concede points when others don't. People do concede on things but its frustrating that its seems to happen a lot less now than in the past - its an element of the times, doesn't mean I have to like it. Nonetheless I apologise for the way I came across there as I didn't articulate myself very well.

Honestly - I really don't want to get into a pointless debate with you. I'm never gonna agree with you because you've made far too many assumptions, so it is merely a waste of both of our time. 

Starting a comment saying you don't want to argue when all I did was respond to your response seems arrogant once again.  The whole point of the thread was to have a discussion no? If you think you are above having an argument, the state of the community will never change. What have I said that showed I was dead set on ridiculing anything you said? I find that much of what you said is true about the hs community.  I wouldn't have said it the same way, but that doesn't matter, to each their own.  I even acknowledged that the state of the hs community was indeed a "problem" in my original post, but I don't believe there is anything to be done about it, so I swept it aside to point out hypocrisy in your post so you are more self-aware. Didn't seem to work since you also ignored most of what I said and wrote it off as an "incorrect assumption". Here is my response to your most recent response:

1. Given that you are okay with people complaining but not excessive complaining, what amount of complaining is "excessive"? That is a very subjective answer meant to put you on a moral high ground.  If you have an objective answer for how much complaining is excessive, then I'd ask, why do you get to decide how much is considered "excessive"? I asked this question in the first detailed response, but you never answered, but really feel that you should.  You compared it to the state of the hs community in the past. Do you have proof of it being a more constructive community? I remember the community always having both a constructive and toxic side, and believe it still does.

2. Trying to shift what I said to be "complaining about you complaining about you complaining is silly.  Complain is defined as expressing dissatisfaction or annoyance at the state of affairs or event.  You are the one dissatisfied, thus making the post.  My reason for commenting has nothing to do with me being unsatisfied, I am totally content. I truly do not care that you are complaining. I like commenting on things to contribute to a conversation, nothing to do with me being annoyed.

3. I didn't say that you meant to personally attack me or are victimizing yourself on purpose, but the things you said made it come off that way, which is really all I'm trying to do, is make you aware of the language you are using. I have taught English, so I believe the words you choose to use are important. Your statement that what I said was nonsensical and that I was "part of the problem" came off as a personal attack because what I said was in no way related to the problems you are concerned with in your post. As for not victimizing yourself, how so? If the "state of hearthstone community" bothers you enough to make a post about it, doesn't that mean you believe yourself to be above the rest of the community and you are a victim of people's excessive complaints? I am truly curious what else it could mean to victimize yourself but to say that a community (which you are in) is toxic (or a generalized negative statement), but exclude yourself from the toxicity. 

 

4. There is a difference between "incorrect assumptions" and unintended consequences.  Though you may not have meant that people don't have a right to complain, or that your complaints are on a higher level, the way in which you presented this discussion seemed to conclude that you do, regardless of it being true.  It might be a misunderstanding, but those are things that should be discussed if you want any positive changes.  If what you say can be interpreted as hypocrisy, then you should clarify to show that it isn't, or at least be prepared to give a defense. If you believe that me trying to get a defense out of you is manipulative, that has some merit, but it seems that you said I was being manipulative by using falsehoods, but I wasn't claiming they were true about you personally, but was making those conclusions based on what you said.  If you think my logic is flawed, then you should address that rather than say it is "incorrect" and "ridiculous".

5. I appreciate your agreement that you came off as arrogant and are willing to apologize about it.  If you truly were an arrogant person by nature, I doubt you would have humbled yourself to do so.  I apologize if anything I said was in fact manipulative, as that was not my intention.  I enjoy having some philosophical discussions/debates, so anything I said was not meant to be an attack on you personally or manipulate others against you, but it was to challenge you to think about the implications of what you said. If you do not want to discuss this further, I won't take offense, but I still find that you are someone who deserves respect, or I wouldn't have spent as much time as I have responding to you.

Honestly I'd rather we all made more of an effort to get along with one another. It might not seem this way but I do appreciate that you have taken the time to respond to me and I do understand where you are coming from with a lot of the points you've made. I don't agree with all of them but I do understand. I am always happy to be challenged on statements I make - none of us are perfect, we all live and learn and I'm no different.

I feel like my OP does raise some valid points on issues within the community but it could have been presented better - frustration did get the better of me and I should have realised that using the words that I chose to use was always going to provoke a negative response from some people.

I will take the genuine criticisms on board and aim to do better in the future. I think its fair to say that we've both perhaps made statements which could be considered provocative. I do apologise if I have offended you though, my intention was never to target an individual but a group who I feel are disruptive in the community.

Nonetheless I will leave it at that. I've read all of your points and although I'm not going to respond to all of them individually as I feel we've both made our stances clear and both clarified our motives and intentions. I respect you for taking the time you have to respond - most people wouldn't elaborate in the detail that you have , so for that I am grateful. I hope you have a great day ahead!

Paladin should have been hit harder.

Thanks for keeping this updated! My go-to deck at the moment :)