I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you're not please share info on how you got them to work. I'm been stumped on how to incorporate discover into a deck the most seamless way.
I still see Reno as an overhyped card. All of the games I won, I would've won without Reno. All of the games I lost it was because I couldn't deal with the board. The rare exception is when some aggro deck is topdecking, I play Reno and the board has a bunch of weak minions. But that doesn't make the card that strong. A healbot would've sufficed too.
To go back to full health against aggro is awesome, I can't disagree with that. But I get hyped when I pull off Malygos shenanigans too. Doesn't mean Malygos is that good.
The card will help you stabilize but it won't independently win you the game like some people are saying. It still definitely win you some games you couldn't without since when you get busted down early on, you can still lose the game even you get board control. Reno Jackson makes it so that if you can get the board back you can still win.
The on of the biggest weakness of Reno Jackson is the lack of AoEs since you can only run half as many as you normally can. I think Reno will be a lot stronger if future expansions introduce more AoEs.
It's not OP but because its effect is so extreme, people think it is. Same goes for Varian Wrynn. Right now, the only competitive deck that runs Reno Jackson is Warlock but it's quite good. It may even stay as a Tier 1 deck.
I really, REALLY hope Reno gets OP, 'cause if that happens the meta will be forced to slow down, and I've been waiting for this. I LOVE control decks, Control Paladin, Control Rogue, etc. I usually play Control vs Control with my friends, there's nothing more awesome than both players with full hands thinking and roping every turn, the game gets MUCH more skillful, I mean, you have so many options every turn. it's quite awesome.
Peppole say Hearthstone is a pure RNG game because in Aggro decks the decision making is quite simple, and that's currently the dominant deck archetype. Cards like Reno have the power to change that, and I really hope these type of cards to be released as soon as possible.
I'm playing Reno in my fatigue warrior currently. Rather than diluting my decklist to make him better, I utilize him as another utility option late in the game. He is strictly in the list to aid me in games where we make it to fatigue before the opponent concedes. I believe too many people are forcing him to be better than he needs to be, at the cost of weakening their decklists. I'm running 9 sets of 2 cards in my deck, 18 of my cards are duplicates, and yet I've not had any issues triggering Reno when I need to (in the last few cards of the deck or during fatigue.) He is a good addition to the list and once people figure out how to build with him correctly, these highlander gimmick decks will go away and we'll see people just playing a high value late game minion in their lists.
The point of Reno is not that by playing it you win even though you don't have board control. The point is that aggainst aggro, you often lose the game at the same moment you gain board control because your health is already too low to recover. That's where Reno wins you games you would otherwise lose. And that has happened to me almost every time I played it against those decks.
Having said that, Dark Peddler IS surprisingly good as well.
The point of Reno is not that by playing it you win even though you don't have board control. The point is that aggainst aggro, you often lose the game at the same moment you gain board control because your health is already too low to recover. That's where Reno wins you games you would otherwise lose. And that has happened to me almost every time I played it against those decks.
Having said that, Dark Peddler IS surprisingly good as well.
1- Agreed, if you try to develop board control against aggro you usually loose, but Reno rewards you for that board control.
It's not OP but because its effect is so extreme, people think it is. Same goes for Varian Wrynn. Right now, the only competitive deck that runs Reno Jackson is Warlock but it's quite good. It may even stay as a Tier 1 deck.
Sorry to burst your bubble but Reno Warlock is no where near t1. Just got a 3 win rogue quest and made a quick face rogue for efficiency and faced 2 of these Warlocks in a row, trouncing both of them. The first actually got Reno on curve with an equivalent sized board to mine. I was able to carry on my face antics and finish the game above 25 hp with relatively no trouble. The second was slightly more difficult as he actually pulled Reno with board control turn tenish but that was still a simple enough win with value trading. These are my first two encounters but being able to defeat the deck, with the intent pulled off both times.... with face rogue. Color me unimpressed.
It's not OP but because its effect is so extreme, people think it is. Same goes for Varian Wrynn. Right now, the only competitive deck that runs Reno Jackson is Warlock but it's quite good. It may even stay as a Tier 1 deck.
Sorry to burst your bubble but Reno Warlock is no where near t1. Just got a 3 win rogue quest and made a quick face rogue for efficiency and faced 2 of these Warlocks in a row, trouncing both of them. The first actually got Reno on curve with an equivalent sized board to mine. I was able to carry on my face antics and finish the game above 25 hp with relatively no trouble. The second was slightly more difficult as he actually pulled Reno with board control turn tenish but that was still a simple enough win with value trading. These are my first two encounters but being able to defeat the deck, with the intent pulled off both times.... with face rogue. Color me unimpressed.
sounds like these decks relied a bit too much on reno? warlock has all the tools even with just 1 ofs to deal with face decks.
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I've not seen it in more then 30 games so far.
I'm still seeking the OPness of this card...
Used to be a proud Handlock player.
Legend 17 times.
Still flirting with the ladder from times to times with Renolock.
Relax.
Its just new card whiners' season
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you're not please share info on how you got them to work. I'm been stumped on how to incorporate discover into a deck the most seamless way.
Put it in a 30 card Warlock deck. It's not that great. Played against that warlock deck on ladder. The guy played Reno and I still won.
Overhyped. If you have board control you'll win without Reno. If you don't have board control Reno won't magically fix that.
I think it depends on where you play. Worst ranks and best ranks are generally were you see experimentation, for better and for worse. :)
I still see Reno as an overhyped card. All of the games I won, I would've won without Reno. All of the games I lost it was because I couldn't deal with the board. The rare exception is when some aggro deck is topdecking, I play Reno and the board has a bunch of weak minions. But that doesn't make the card that strong. A healbot would've sufficed too.
To go back to full health against aggro is awesome, I can't disagree with that. But I get hyped when I pull off Malygos shenanigans too. Doesn't mean Malygos is that good.
I believe it's actually a joke that the community is trying to make.
The way i look at it, none of the LoE cards are even remotely playable, nevermind OP.
"Put your face in the light!" - Tirion Fordring
The card will help you stabilize but it won't independently win you the game like some people are saying. It still definitely win you some games you couldn't without since when you get busted down early on, you can still lose the game even you get board control. Reno Jackson makes it so that if you can get the board back you can still win.
give it a few more expansions and he will become monster as decks have more spell choices.
60 % of the time I'm winning 100% of the time
The on of the biggest weakness of Reno Jackson is the lack of AoEs since you can only run half as many as you normally can. I think Reno will be a lot stronger if future expansions introduce more AoEs.
It's not OP but because its effect is so extreme, people think it is. Same goes for Varian Wrynn. Right now, the only competitive deck that runs Reno Jackson is Warlock but it's quite good. It may even stay as a Tier 1 deck.
Meta changes the moment you switch your deck.
You shouldnt joke about Reno, hes most likely right behind you! O.O
I really, REALLY hope Reno gets OP, 'cause if that happens the meta will be forced to slow down, and I've been waiting for this. I LOVE control decks, Control Paladin, Control Rogue, etc. I usually play Control vs Control with my friends, there's nothing more awesome than both players with full hands thinking and roping every turn, the game gets MUCH more skillful, I mean, you have so many options every turn. it's quite awesome.
Peppole say Hearthstone is a pure RNG game because in Aggro decks the decision making is quite simple, and that's currently the dominant deck archetype. Cards like Reno have the power to change that, and I really hope these type of cards to be released as soon as possible.
In Rexxar we trust
I'm playing Reno in my fatigue warrior currently. Rather than diluting my decklist to make him better, I utilize him as another utility option late in the game. He is strictly in the list to aid me in games where we make it to fatigue before the opponent concedes. I believe too many people are forcing him to be better than he needs to be, at the cost of weakening their decklists. I'm running 9 sets of 2 cards in my deck, 18 of my cards are duplicates, and yet I've not had any issues triggering Reno when I need to (in the last few cards of the deck or during fatigue.) He is a good addition to the list and once people figure out how to build with him correctly, these highlander gimmick decks will go away and we'll see people just playing a high value late game minion in their lists.
My Fatigue List I made legend with : http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/359140-s20-legend-reno-true-fatigue-warrior
The point of Reno is not that by playing it you win even though you don't have board control. The point is that aggainst aggro, you often lose the game at the same moment you gain board control because your health is already too low to recover. That's where Reno wins you games you would otherwise lose. And that has happened to me almost every time I played it against those decks.
Having said that, Dark Peddler IS surprisingly good as well.
In Rexxar we trust
10/10 BM