As for grim patron being cancer, I've won 8-0 games vs. parton warriors as handlock, not because I'm good but rather because all of them were pretty bad players and made terrible plays. For most players (ie. average skill level) I don't see how patron can be that hard to beat, the patron players likely don't have the skill to play the deck to it's potential and while they might get a god draw and just shaft you that can happen with pretty much any deck.
Not saying patron isn't a stupid deck which has far too much power if played well/when things align, but for most players (who aren't facing top tier patron warrior players) then you have a much better chance to win than when facehunter was all that was being played.
No, that is mostly because Handlock counters Grim Patron decks as everyone already knows...
So Handlock could be a possible cure to a cancerous deck ? Some hope for the people there.
Face hunter has it counters too, but it didnt stop it from beign cancerous, so no....
Face Hunter being a cancerous deck. I guess I don't have this problem. Seems that Handlock is not threatened by cancerous decks. Try it, it's curing everything.
Go on with your cancer theme decklisting. Seems to be the way to go Internet poster.
You dont have that problem because you are a super pro player!!! remember? from the other thread?
No I'm not. Remember from the other thread. I answered you I was not a super pro player since I was not competing in tournaments, nor was I representing a pro organization. I'm just a player amongst the community who seeks to discredit people like you that try to brag about things like ''cancer'' decks.
So, you are in an internet crusade against us??? Seems fine and normal, I suppose...
grim patron cancer? hardly... its obvious by turn 4 that its a gp deck so just keep a small board and save your clears. Once you clear both waves its gg
As for grim patron being cancer, I've won 8-0 games vs. parton warriors as handlock, not because I'm good but rather because all of them were pretty bad players and made terrible plays. For most players (ie. average skill level) I don't see how patron can be that hard to beat, the patron players likely don't have the skill to play the deck to it's potential and while they might get a god draw and just shaft you that can happen with pretty much any deck.
Not saying patron isn't a stupid deck which has far too much power if played well/when things align, but for most players (who aren't facing top tier patron warrior players) then you have a much better chance to win than when facehunter was all that was being played.
No, that is mostly because Handlock counters Grim Patron decks as everyone already knows...
So Handlock could be a possible cure to a cancerous deck ? Some hope for the people there.
Face hunter has it counters too, but it didnt stop it from beign cancerous, so no....
Face Hunter being a cancerous deck. I guess I don't have this problem. Seems that Handlock is not threatened by cancerous decks. Try it, it's curing everything.
Go on with your cancer theme decklisting. Seems to be the way to go Internet poster.
You dont have that problem because you are a super pro player!!! remember? from the other thread?
No I'm not. Remember from the other thread. I answered you I was not a super pro player since I was not competing in tournaments, nor was I representing a pro organization. I'm just a player amongst the community who seeks to discredit people like you that try to brag about things like ''cancer'' decks.
So, you are in an internet crusade against us??? Seems fine and normal, I suppose...
Keep supposing. Way to go mate.
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Used to be a proud Handlock player.
Legend 17 times.
Still flirting with the ladder from times to times with Renolock.
Grim Patron cancer ? You losed a good chunk of credibility there.
What about the Coldarra Drake for the mage ? Is that a Dragon tag I see. I might be wrong...
And what about the rest of the release ? Can you predict future ? When will TGT be released.
Please enlighten me, I want spoilers. I want them so badly.
Why would he lose cred? it is a cancerous deck, it's almost ruined the game IMO. Just like miracle rogue almost did until it got spanked.
Why would he lose cred ? Simply because of the use of the word cancer. That's not a term to qualify a deck like Patron Warrior. I understand it can be frustrating to lose to a one-turn kill combo. But it's part of the game. It's called Patron Warrior for a reason... they rely on two combos to win the game and close it.
Patron Warrior is not ruining the game. My winrate against them since the apparition of the deck in ranked plays is 77.2 % with mostly Handlock and some other decks. Of course, Handlock is known to crush this deck... but that's definitely not a game-ruining deck if Handlock can succeed at wipping them easily.
Oh I used the ONE SINGLE deck that counters Patron for most of my games. Therfore Patron is not OP. Patron Warrior is just like Miracle Rogue, dirty antic. Just like the oldhunter UTH+buzzard combo.Haha they are at 5 life you have a filled up board at 21 life gg right?
Oh wait he just cheesed his way out with a couple of patrons and a monster of a Frothing beserker.
Either make beserker worse
or have Warsong commander be an aura, so its effect only applies to creatures with power 2 or less(so when frothing gets >2power, loses charge).
I run demonlock and do fine against patron warrior you just hold aoes wait for a warsong or patron then bust em keep them from drawing off acolyte and kill the armor Smith its not to terrible to counter if you know its coming and im sure they'll release a few more dragons
Warlocks as a class are good vs Patron warrior, pretty sure that has been established a lot and is now common knowledge...
grim patron cancer? hardly... its obvious by turn 4 that its a gp deck so just keep a small board and save your clears. Once you clear both waves its gg
Part of the problem people have with Patron Warrior is that, if given no resistance whatsoever, it can set up a 30+ damage combo to kill you in one turn. I find fun in the puzzle of winning without playing low-attack minions, but it seems some people aren't able to adapt their playstyle for the matchup.
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler Grim Patron Warrior approaches 1"
There's a reason for this though. Remember the miracle rogue era? it would slither it's way into almost every conversation about the current ladder season. It tells you something is maybe more powerful than it ought to be
So Dr. Boom is alright then ? No longer need to nerf him !
Boom is neutral and should be a nerf of some kind. So it is used everywhere and a format warper, but, because it is neutral, it can be used by every class and no class is favored or put down with it.
Kinda hard to nerf boom anyways, how would he be nerfed. Blizz also said they won't nerf him.
Patron Warrior is exclusive to warrior, just like Miracle Rogue was unique to rogue. If every class had Warsong commander and Beserker, sure it'll be fine. But they don't.
As for grim patron being cancer, I've won 8-0 games vs. parton warriors as handlock, not because I'm good but rather because all of them were pretty bad players and made terrible plays. For most players (ie. average skill level) I don't see how patron can be that hard to beat, the patron players likely don't have the skill to play the deck to it's potential and while they might get a god draw and just shaft you that can happen with pretty much any deck.
Not saying patron isn't a stupid deck which has far too much power if played well/when things align, but for most players (who aren't facing top tier patron warrior players) then you have a much better chance to win than when facehunter was all that was being played.
There will always be a ton of good patron players if you climb up the ladder.
Stop using handlock as comparison. The deck is one of the only decks that counter Patron of course it will win.
It's like control priest vs Smorc hunter. "Oh I beat a ton of hunters with priest"
I have faced the grim patron hunter just like all of you, and yes it annoys the hell out of me, however I believe it is not breaking any mechanics or ruining the game as some people have stated. It is just using the cards to their maximum effect.
and to speak on the idea that BRM failed and they aren't producing any dragons as a result is an ill advised statement. As most have pointed out, they have already released the drake in the first 24 cards. I wouldn't be surprised if they included another legendary. I believe that they could be either Galakrond or the Time-lost Proto Drake. Since Proto dragons are used by the Vykrul and we are getting Vykrul. I would just say that you should wait and see what this expansion has to offer and how Blizzard uses cards to change affect the play in HS.
Yeah Miracle Rogue was about that too... and you know how shitty that turned out
As for grim patron being cancer, I've won 8-0 games vs. parton warriors as handlock, not because I'm good but rather because all of them were pretty bad players and made terrible plays. For most players (ie. average skill level) I don't see how patron can be that hard to beat, the patron players likely don't have the skill to play the deck to it's potential and while they might get a god draw and just shaft you that can happen with pretty much any deck.
Not saying patron isn't a stupid deck which has far too much power if played well/when things align, but for most players (who aren't facing top tier patron warrior players) then you have a much better chance to win than when facehunter was all that was being played.
No, that is mostly because Handlock counters Grim Patron decks as everyone already knows...
So Handlock could be a possible cure to a cancerous deck ? Some hope for the people there.
Right. So EVERYONE should automatically make a handlock deck(one of the top 10 most expensive HS decks) right?
No.
BGH counters boom and is 400 dust.
Handlock counters Patron and is almost 10k dust.
See the difference or do you need someone to tell you what 10k-400 is?
As for grim patron being cancer, I've won 8-0 games vs. parton warriors as handlock, not because I'm good but rather because all of them were pretty bad players and made terrible plays. For most players (ie. average skill level) I don't see how patron can be that hard to beat, the patron players likely don't have the skill to play the deck to it's potential and while they might get a god draw and just shaft you that can happen with pretty much any deck.
Not saying patron isn't a stupid deck which has far too much power if played well/when things align, but for most players (who aren't facing top tier patron warrior players) then you have a much better chance to win than when facehunter was all that was being played.
No, that is mostly because Handlock counters Grim Patron decks as everyone already knows...
So Handlock could be a possible cure to a cancerous deck ? Some hope for the people there.
Face hunter has it counters too, but it didnt stop it from beign cancerous, so no....
Face Hunter being a cancerous deck. I guess I don't have this problem. Seems that Handlock is not threatened by cancerous decks. Try it, it's curing everything.
Go on with your cancer theme decklisting. Seems to be the way to go Internet poster.
You dont have that problem because you are a super pro player!!! remember? from the other thread?
No I'm not. Remember from the other thread. I answered you I was not a super pro player since I was not competing in tournaments, nor was I representing a pro organization. I'm just a player amongst the community who seeks to discredit people like you that try to brag about things like ''cancer'' decks.
So, you are in an internet crusade against us??? Seems fine and normal, I suppose...
Keep supposing. Way to go mate.
Could your ego grow any larger?
Well I guess that's the only way you can deal with problems.
So, from what i gathered, the discussion so far went something like: BRM is a failure--> exclude BRM from set please (WTF??)--> btw patron is cancer--> patron is not cancer because it has counters and other valid reasons--> you play handlock and it counters patron so your opinion doesn't count--> patron is cancer like hunter-->etc etc.
Am i the only one finding it insanely ridiculous?
Btw, what defines "cancer decks". The original terminology was that it means a deck is spread all over the ladder due to it being effective. Is this definition still valid? Because if the definition is still the same, then i'd like to point out that no decks are cancer at the moment, because i don't face a particular deck more frequent than any other.
As for grim patron being cancer, I've won 8-0 games vs. parton warriors as handlock, not because I'm good but rather because all of them were pretty bad players and made terrible plays. For most players (ie. average skill level) I don't see how patron can be that hard to beat, the patron players likely don't have the skill to play the deck to it's potential and while they might get a god draw and just shaft you that can happen with pretty much any deck.
Not saying patron isn't a stupid deck which has far too much power if played well/when things align, but for most players (who aren't facing top tier patron warrior players) then you have a much better chance to win than when facehunter was all that was being played.
No, that is mostly because Handlock counters Grim Patron decks as everyone already knows...
So Handlock could be a possible cure to a cancerous deck ? Some hope for the people there.
Face hunter has it counters too, but it didnt stop it from beign cancerous, so no....
Face Hunter being a cancerous deck. I guess I don't have this problem. Seems that Handlock is not threatened by cancerous decks. Try it, it's curing everything.
Go on with your cancer theme decklisting. Seems to be the way to go Internet poster.
You dont have that problem because you are a super pro player!!! remember? from the other thread?
No I'm not. Remember from the other thread. I answered you I was not a super pro player since I was not competing in tournaments, nor was I representing a pro organization. I'm just a player amongst the community who seeks to discredit people like you that try to brag about things like ''cancer'' decks.
So, you are in an internet crusade against us??? Seems fine and normal, I suppose...
Keep supposing. Way to go mate.
Could your ego grow any larger?
Well I guess that's the only way you can deal with problems.
Yes it could and it's how i can only deal with problems. Thankfs for caring about my mental health. GThat's kind of you.
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Used to be a proud Handlock player.
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Still flirting with the ladder from times to times with Renolock.
We do need more dragons, more pirates, more murlocs, more beasts, more mechs. We need the 100 new cards that are yet to be released.
I'm not sure why we would need more themed cards ! What about cards with new game mechanics (like Inspire) in this one. It seems better to me then just a bunch of cards with races over them.
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Used to be a proud Handlock player.
Legend 17 times.
Still flirting with the ladder from times to times with Renolock.
We do need more dragons, more pirates, more murlocs, more beasts, more mechs. We need the 100 new cards that are yet to be released.
I'm not sure why we would need more themed cards ! What about cards with new game mechanics (like Inspire) in this one. It seems better to me then just a bunch of cards with races over them.
Well, we don't really need 132 cards with Inspire, there's room for both I think.
Dragons, completely failed. If they don't release a few Dragons with this set, with the intentions of trying to make the Dragon tribe playable, I will be severly dissappointed.
And as for the 1 Dragon released so far, Coldarra Drake, I hate it. Mainly cause it is a mage card. Mage has made a new deck type or TWO, every single set that has come out. If there is one class that doesn't need a new deck, it is mage. Or Warrior or Warlock for that matter. Give em to anyone else, but those three classes seem to always come out on top after new cards.
Time to make a new deck type for one of the classes that is actually lacking deck types. Mage is not it.
Oh yeah, and why are Paladin and Druid last to get some cards revealed? That happend last time.
And as for the 1 Dragon released so far, Coldarra Drake, I hate it. Mainly cause it is a mage card. Mage has made a new deck type or TWO every single set that has come out. If there is one class that doesn't need a new deck, it is mage. Or Warrior or Warlock for that matter. Give em to anyone else, but those three classes seem to always come out on top after new cards.
Warrior doesn't need another deck type? You're joking right? Control Warrior was the most non-variety class for forever until grim patron was added. Now it has 2 builds instead of one.
as people said the drake and dragons have kinda failed unless they reveal more cards i cant see them devoting more than 4 or 5 cards to the dragon mechanic besides just the dragon tribe.
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So, you are in an internet crusade against us??? Seems fine and normal, I suppose...
grim patron cancer? hardly... its obvious by turn 4 that its a gp deck so just keep a small board and save your clears. Once you clear both waves its gg
Keep supposing. Way to go mate.
Used to be a proud Handlock player.
Legend 17 times.
Still flirting with the ladder from times to times with Renolock.
Oh I used the ONE SINGLE deck that counters Patron for most of my games. Therfore Patron is not OP. Patron Warrior is just like Miracle Rogue, dirty antic. Just like the oldhunter UTH+buzzard combo.Haha they are at 5 life you have a filled up board at 21 life gg right?
Oh wait he just cheesed his way out with a couple of patrons and a monster of a Frothing beserker.
Either make beserker worse
or have Warsong commander be an aura, so its effect only applies to creatures with power 2 or less(so when frothing gets >2power, loses charge).
Warlocks as a class are good vs Patron warrior, pretty sure that has been established a lot and is now common knowledge...
Part of the problem people have with Patron Warrior is that, if given no resistance whatsoever, it can set up a 30+ damage combo to kill you in one turn. I find fun in the puzzle of winning without playing low-attack minions, but it seems some people aren't able to adapt their playstyle for the matchup.
Rawr I'm a dinosaur
Boom is neutral and should be a nerf of some kind. So it is used everywhere and a format warper, but, because it is neutral, it can be used by every class and no class is favored or put down with it.
Kinda hard to nerf boom anyways, how would he be nerfed. Blizz also said they won't nerf him.
Patron Warrior is exclusive to warrior, just like Miracle Rogue was unique to rogue. If every class had Warsong commander and Beserker, sure it'll be fine. But they don't.
There will always be a ton of good patron players if you climb up the ladder.
Stop using handlock as comparison. The deck is one of the only decks that counter Patron of course it will win.
It's like control priest vs Smorc hunter. "Oh I beat a ton of hunters with priest"
well priest tends to be good vs aggro decks...
Yeah Miracle Rogue was about that too... and you know how shitty that turned out
most of the time that won't happen but they'll randomly play patron+warsong and/or frothing from the hand then cheese you.
how about this logic then?
If you don't have a boardwipe against aggro by turn 6 you are an idiot and deserve to lose
Right. So EVERYONE should automatically make a handlock deck(one of the top 10 most expensive HS decks) right?
No.
BGH counters boom and is 400 dust.
Handlock counters Patron and is almost 10k dust.
See the difference or do you need someone to tell you what 10k-400 is?
Could your ego grow any larger?
Well I guess that's the only way you can deal with problems.
So, from what i gathered, the discussion so far went something like: BRM is a failure--> exclude BRM from set please (WTF??)--> btw patron is cancer--> patron is not cancer because it has counters and other valid reasons--> you play handlock and it counters patron so your opinion doesn't count--> patron is cancer like hunter-->etc etc.
Am i the only one finding it insanely ridiculous?
Btw, what defines "cancer decks". The original terminology was that it means a deck is spread all over the ladder due to it being effective. Is this definition still valid? Because if the definition is still the same, then i'd like to point out that no decks are cancer at the moment, because i don't face a particular deck more frequent than any other.
"Put your face in the light!" - Tirion Fordring
Yes it could and it's how i can only deal with problems. Thankfs for caring about my mental health. GThat's kind of you.
Used to be a proud Handlock player.
Legend 17 times.
Still flirting with the ladder from times to times with Renolock.
You guys should chill more.
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On topic:
We do need more dragons, more pirates, more murlocs, more beasts, more mechs. We need the 100 new cards that are yet to be released.
I'm not sure why we would need more themed cards ! What about cards with new game mechanics (like Inspire) in this one. It seems better to me then just a bunch of cards with races over them.
Used to be a proud Handlock player.
Legend 17 times.
Still flirting with the ladder from times to times with Renolock.
Well, we don't really need 132 cards with Inspire, there's room for both I think.
Dragons, completely failed. If they don't release a few Dragons with this set, with the intentions of trying to make the Dragon tribe playable, I will be severly dissappointed.
And as for the 1 Dragon released so far, Coldarra Drake, I hate it. Mainly cause it is a mage card. Mage has made a new deck type or TWO, every single set that has come out. If there is one class that doesn't need a new deck, it is mage. Or Warrior or Warlock for that matter. Give em to anyone else, but those three classes seem to always come out on top after new cards.
Time to make a new deck type for one of the classes that is actually lacking deck types. Mage is not it.
Oh yeah, and why are Paladin and Druid last to get some cards revealed? That happend last time.
Warrior doesn't need another deck type? You're joking right? Control Warrior was the most non-variety class for forever until grim patron was added. Now it has 2 builds instead of one.
as people said the drake and dragons have kinda failed unless they reveal more cards i cant see them devoting more than 4 or 5 cards to the dragon mechanic besides just the dragon tribe.
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