The approach blizz. took in the past was to release new cards which counter the OP stuff (looking at you Skulking Giest) - not really an ideal solution as a F2P player either. Personally I think Blizz is being devious with it's nerfs - focusing on the support cards that give very little dust rather than the legendaries which generally cause the problem in the first place. It's important that no one deck is OP though as the meta just shifts to that deck + counter decks which isn't really fun for anyone.
I'm honestly a little confused at this point as to what Blizz want from their game. Shudderwock and Kingbane rogue are no fun/un-interactive yet Mech'Cthun is? Maybe it's all about win rates and the whole "interactive" thing is just secondary - only Blizz knows...
blizzard knows one thing and its that you the customer are DUMBER THAN A ROCK and just keep spending money. When will you people wake up and stop...the answer is never so in that case you get what you deserve.
I specifically crafted kingsbane three days ago because everyone was telling me it was such an unbeatable deck that could easily help you climb, and I got up a one-hole rank before basically plateauing at rank 15 over and over barely getting past 3 stars, but now this nerve basically throws the deck in the trash and they didn't even nerve the legendary so I don't even get a full dust refund.
The saronite one pisses me off the most. all because they didn't listen to us when we said shudderwok was going to be broken, now they had to nerf a card that was doing fine in many other decks just because it was problematic in one. Blizzard is literally left with a bunch of idiots, I'm 100% certain now that all the good people actually left that damn company.
Jesus do we need someone else to come out with a mobile-based collectible card game already cuz I'm ready to quit the stupid piece of shit.
Edit for the record I'm not against nerfs though. If a card ends up being out of control it needs to be put down, I'm just saying they constantly like to Nerf things in a roundabout ways because they don't want to actually give us full dust refunds for valuable cards in my opinion. Shudderwok and kingsbane are the problems, but they nerfed common and rare cards that were being used in tandem with them not even caring that they were also useful in other decks.
Have you ever considered learning to play the game well? Then you would be able to get to Rank 5 or higher with any deck, and wouldn't have to make rants like this?
I think Blizzard should cease to nerf cards. In my opinion it disproportionately affects f2p players including yours truly, so I should probably acknowledge subjectivity at this point lol. Sure, you get a full refund on the nerfed card, but you don't get it on other cards you crafted for that particular competitive deck to which the nerfed card belongs. And this is a problem because most f2p players have only one or two viable decks at their disposal at any given time. I personally find changing the meta every time you print new cards sufficient enough. Let people have some fun and run rampant with some powerful decks for a while. What's wrong with that. Mind you, I grew up playing HoM&M 3, so I'm used to imbalanced mechanics being present, but I think they can be fun. Alternatively instead of nerfing some cards, buff some cards in order to improve the balance. It can provide the same effect without effectively removing the decks people invested in from play and as an additional bonus no need to provide refunds of any kind. What do you guys think?
HoM&M 3 so i asume before pach where gremlins were at 32 stacks and u would end up with idk 120 or so 1st week ? Good times <3
"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I don't wanna pay, please cater to my every need anyways. Game balance? Never heard of it."
Buffs are way less predictable than nerfs. Endless powercreep is what got us into this mess to begin with.
"let people have fun and run rampant with some powerful decks for a while. What'S wrong with that."
Where you born this much of an egomaniac or does it come naturally?
Just because you have no problem getting dicked by broken decks doesn't mean everyone else should suffer just because you don't want to spend money on a game.
As faulty as the topic is, you, sir, lost me at how it matters or whatever the deal or difference is if you are a paying customer or a free player in this case and yet i don't know why i felt the need to reply to the likes of you who doesn't put the slightest effort in their posts. I am also to blame I guess..
So blizzard printed two garbage expansions that add altogether like 10 playable cards and because people are still playing witchwood or pre-witchwood decks, they decided to do this. Well done blizzard.
I specifically crafted kingsbane three days ago because everyone was telling me it was such an unbeatable deck that could easily help you climb, and I got up a one-hole rank before basically plateauing at rank 15 over and over barely getting past 3 stars, but now this nerve basically throws the deck in the trash and they didn't even nerve the legendary so I don't even get a full dust refund.
The saronite one pisses me off the most. all because they didn't listen to us when we said shudderwok was going to be broken, now they had to nerf a card that was doing fine in many other decks just because it was problematic in one. Blizzard is literally left with a bunch of idiots, I'm 100% certain now that all the good people actually left that damn company.
Jesus do we need someone else to come out with a mobile-based collectible card game already cuz I'm ready to quit the stupid piece of shit.
Edit for the record I'm not against nerfs though. If a card ends up being out of control it needs to be put down, I'm just saying they constantly like to Nerf things in a roundabout ways because they don't want to actually give us full dust refunds for valuable cards in my opinion. Shudderwok and kingsbane are the problems, but they nerfed common and rare cards that were being used in tandem with them not even caring that they were also useful in other decks.
You can still play shudderwok though, just as a finisher rather than a win condition.
I think Blizzard should cease to nerf cards. In my opinion it disproportionately affects f2p players including yours truly, so I should probably acknowledge subjectivity at this point lol. Sure, you get a full refund on the nerfed card, but you don't get it on other cards you crafted for that particular competitive deck to which the nerfed card belongs. And this is a problem because most f2p players have only one or two viable decks at their disposal at any given time. I personally find changing the meta every time you print new cards sufficient enough. Let people have some fun and run rampant with some powerful decks for a while. What's wrong with that. Mind you, I grew up playing HoM&M 3, so I'm used to imbalanced mechanics being present, but I think they can be fun. Alternatively instead of nerfing some cards, buff some cards in order to improve the balance. It can provide the same effect without effectively removing the decks people invested in from play and as an additional bonus no need to provide refunds of any kind. What do you guys think?
About how long did these powerful decks run rampant? And for how much longer did you need to have your 'oh so vital' deck while the new cards see very little play?
Let people have some fun and run rampant with some powerful decks for a while. What's wrong with that.
Easy for you to say, you're the tryharder playing those decks. How about you don't craft the most broken tier 1 deck and try to have fun without tieing your sense of accomplishment to your rank?
Dust issues for exploiters of OP decks might be the healthiest thing that can happen to HS (apart from nerfs themselves). It means we get a few extra days without the meta going stale again.
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Start of Year: Provoke the failure of 3 expansions, force nerfs on otherwise balanced cards, bring deckbuilding to an all-time low and get rotated one year earlier for being such a threat to the game's health. - Genn and Baku's historical entry on the White Book of Shit Design, shortly before retiring unpunished
Dust issues for exploiters of OP decks might be the healthiest thing that can happen to HS (apart from nerfs themselves). It means we get a few extra days without the meta going stale again.
This guy gets it. I started playing a couple months ago and dusted just about every other epic, legend, and golden I had to craft an odd pally deck. Not because it was OP, but because it was just about the only top deck without 3-8 legends and I could actually afford to build it.
So thanks blizzard, I’m gonna have a great time banging my head against a wall with this broken deck for the next few months until I can afford a new deck. Or more likely I’ll just quit. Maybe instead of completely breaking my deck you could have just buffed a few counters...
This guy gets it. I started playing a couple months ago and dusted just about every other epic, legend, and golden I had to craft an odd pally deck. Not because it was OP, but because it was just about the only top deck without 3-8 legends and I could actually afford to build it.
So thanks blizzard, I’m gonna have a great time banging my head against a wall with this broken deck for the next few months until I can afford a new deck. Or more likely I’ll just quit.
If the only reason you play Hearthstone is to play Odd Paladin, then this could not have come sooner. I will not miss Odd Paladin, or Shudderwock, or Kingsbane.
I play to have fun, and now my only deck is broken jackoff. I’m not asking for an OP deck im asking for some understanding, not everyone sinks money into this game.
I play to have fun, and now my only deck is broken jackoff. I’m not asking for an OP deck im asking for some understanding, not everyone sinks money into this game.
How can someone have fun playing a deck that requires no thinking at all?
I play to have fun, and now my only deck is broken jackoff. I’m not asking for an OP deck im asking for some understanding, not everyone sinks money into this game.
How can someone have fun playing a deck that requires no thinking at all?
You want to give me 5000-10000 dust I’ll play a deck that requires thinking ok? Odd pally was cheap.
Let me first acknowledge those of you who have provided civil and insightful replies, you validate my faith in humanity. To those who, lightly put, were not-so-civil I'd just say you might be surprised but how you treat others often ends up having an impact on how others treat you or what goes around comes around.
Just a few replies here, not gonna quote anyone in order to avoid making this post too long. While I understand that Blizzard primarily caters to paying players and find that justifiable and am also aware of the wild format, it remains the case that most of HS playerbase is f2p and that most people choose to play standard. I am also perfectly aware that one can amass a very significant portion of cards while being f2p, that said I believe it requires playing pretty much every single day for roughly 3 hours or so, which is something that many people including myself cannot do or do not wish to do. While I can see reason to argument that if you're not willing to either spend the money or invest the time, then you have no basis to complain, I do think that the game and the way the balance changes are handled could be more f2p friendly. I am also aware that it is very unlikely to happen. Finally, regarding people saying that buffs instead of nerfs couldn't accomplish the same goal I dare to disagree, the argument presented in the replies was that then everything would be overpowered... well, if everything is overpowered, then by the very definition nothing is, or in other words you actually also end up having balance.
EDIT: Just one thing I wanna come straight about. I did play Odd Paladin, it was one of my two viable decks, the other being Spell Hunter. Did I craft them because they were self-piloted tier 1 decks (on a side note I believe all decks require skill to play well)? No. I went for those because I already had the cards and they were by far the cheapest among competitive decks (i.e. tier 1 or tier 2, though could see myself giving a tier 3 deck a try too). There's a whole lot of other decks I'd love to play like Even Paladin, DK OTK Paladin, Odd Mage, just to name the few on top of my list, but I cannot and likely will not be able to afford them. It's worth keeping in mind that most people make their deck choices not based on their preferred playstyle, but based on what they can actually afford. And no, I'm not obsessed about my rank as illustrated by me having wasted dust in the past on the likes of Hemet, Hunter Quest, and Warrior Quest, but it is a reality that noone, be it an f2p or a paying player, likes to play a deck that constantly looses.
I play to have fun, and now my only deck is broken jackoff. I’m not asking for an OP deck im asking for some understanding, not everyone sinks money into this game.
How can someone have fun playing a deck that requires no thinking at all?
You want to give me 5000 dust I’ll play a deck that requires thinking ok? Odd pally was cheap.
Yeah, cheap but boring as f..k. ;) You not only had a lame experience playing this game, but also ruined it to every opponent you faced. And do you seriously want to be understood? LOL. give me a break, please...
I play to have fun, and now my only deck is broken jackoff. I’m not asking for an OP deck im asking for some understanding, not everyone sinks money into this game.
How can someone have fun playing a deck that requires no thinking at all?
You want to give me 5000 dust I’ll play a deck that requires thinking ok? Odd pally was cheap.
Yeah, cheap but boring as f..k. ;) You not only had a lame experience playing this game, but also ruined it to every opponent you faced. And do you seriously want to be understood? LOL. give me a break, please...
To me, there is nothing more disgusting and toxic than the players who cry their opponents are ruining the game for them. I play for my own reasons, not to entertain you. Run back to your mommy, you spoiled little brat. The world is not centered around you.
I play to have fun, and now my only deck is broken jackoff. I’m not asking for an OP deck im asking for some understanding, not everyone sinks money into this game.
How can someone have fun playing a deck that requires no thinking at all?
You want to give me 5000 dust I’ll play a deck that requires thinking ok? Odd pally was cheap.
Yeah, cheap but boring as f..k. ;) You not only had a lame experience playing this game, but also ruined it to every opponent you faced. And do you seriously want to be understood? LOL. give me a break, please...
To me, there is nothing more disgusting and toxic than the players who cry their opponents are ruining the game for them.
In a world filled with genocidal maniacs, slavery, piracy, rapists and murderers, one 12-year-old man casts all those crimes aside to denounce the true vileness that plagues the earth: ......................................... people saying mean things about the decks he exploits.
I'm fairly certain his freedom lets him bash random idiots on the internet too, or are his reasons for posting to cuddle you and tell you you are doing a good job?
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Start of Year: Provoke the failure of 3 expansions, force nerfs on otherwise balanced cards, bring deckbuilding to an all-time low and get rotated one year earlier for being such a threat to the game's health. - Genn and Baku's historical entry on the White Book of Shit Design, shortly before retiring unpunished
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blizzard knows one thing and its that you the customer are DUMBER THAN A ROCK and just keep spending money. When will you people wake up and stop...the answer is never so in that case you get what you deserve.
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Have you ever considered learning to play the game well? Then you would be able to get to Rank 5 or higher with any deck, and wouldn't have to make rants like this?
HoM&M 3 so i asume before pach where gremlins were at 32 stacks and u would end up with idk 120 or so 1st week ? Good times <3
As faulty as the topic is, you, sir, lost me at how it matters or whatever the deal or difference is if you are a paying customer or a free player in this case and yet i don't know why i felt the need to reply to the likes of you who doesn't put the slightest effort in their posts. I am also to blame I guess..
So blizzard printed two garbage expansions that add altogether like 10 playable cards and because people are still playing witchwood or pre-witchwood decks, they decided to do this. Well done blizzard.
You can still play shudderwok though, just as a finisher rather than a win condition.
Unpopular opinion: Rogue is OP
About how long did these powerful decks run rampant? And for how much longer did you need to have your 'oh so vital' deck while the new cards see very little play?
Easy for you to say, you're the tryharder playing those decks. How about you don't craft the most broken tier 1 deck and try to have fun without tieing your sense of accomplishment to your rank?
Dust issues for exploiters of OP decks might be the healthiest thing that can happen to HS (apart from nerfs themselves). It means we get a few extra days without the meta going stale again.
Start of Year: Provoke the failure of 3 expansions, force nerfs on otherwise balanced cards, bring deckbuilding to an all-time low and get rotated one year earlier for being such a threat to the game's health.
- Genn and Baku's historical entry on the White Book of Shit Design, shortly before retiring unpunished
I totally agree. :D
This guy gets it. I started playing a couple months ago and dusted just about every other epic, legend, and golden I had to craft an odd pally deck. Not because it was OP, but because it was just about the only top deck without 3-8 legends and I could actually afford to build it.
So thanks blizzard, I’m gonna have a great time banging my head against a wall with this broken deck for the next few months until I can afford a new deck. Or more likely I’ll just quit. Maybe instead of completely breaking my deck you could have just buffed a few counters...
If the only reason you play Hearthstone is to play Odd Paladin, then this could not have come sooner. I will not miss Odd Paladin, or Shudderwock, or Kingsbane.
Please close the door behind you as you go.
I play to have fun, and now my only deck is broken jackoff. I’m not asking for an OP deck im asking for some understanding, not everyone sinks money into this game.
How can someone have fun playing a deck that requires no thinking at all?
You want to give me 5000-10000 dust I’ll play a deck that requires thinking ok? Odd pally was cheap.
Let me first acknowledge those of you who have provided civil and insightful replies, you validate my faith in humanity. To those who, lightly put, were not-so-civil I'd just say you might be surprised but how you treat others often ends up having an impact on how others treat you or what goes around comes around.
Just a few replies here, not gonna quote anyone in order to avoid making this post too long. While I understand that Blizzard primarily caters to paying players and find that justifiable and am also aware of the wild format, it remains the case that most of HS playerbase is f2p and that most people choose to play standard. I am also perfectly aware that one can amass a very significant portion of cards while being f2p, that said I believe it requires playing pretty much every single day for roughly 3 hours or so, which is something that many people including myself cannot do or do not wish to do. While I can see reason to argument that if you're not willing to either spend the money or invest the time, then you have no basis to complain, I do think that the game and the way the balance changes are handled could be more f2p friendly. I am also aware that it is very unlikely to happen. Finally, regarding people saying that buffs instead of nerfs couldn't accomplish the same goal I dare to disagree, the argument presented in the replies was that then everything would be overpowered... well, if everything is overpowered, then by the very definition nothing is, or in other words you actually also end up having balance.
EDIT: Just one thing I wanna come straight about. I did play Odd Paladin, it was one of my two viable decks, the other being Spell Hunter. Did I craft them because they were self-piloted tier 1 decks (on a side note I believe all decks require skill to play well)? No. I went for those because I already had the cards and they were by far the cheapest among competitive decks (i.e. tier 1 or tier 2, though could see myself giving a tier 3 deck a try too). There's a whole lot of other decks I'd love to play like Even Paladin, DK OTK Paladin, Odd Mage, just to name the few on top of my list, but I cannot and likely will not be able to afford them. It's worth keeping in mind that most people make their deck choices not based on their preferred playstyle, but based on what they can actually afford. And no, I'm not obsessed about my rank as illustrated by me having wasted dust in the past on the likes of Hemet, Hunter Quest, and Warrior Quest, but it is a reality that noone, be it an f2p or a paying player, likes to play a deck that constantly looses.
Yeah, cheap but boring as f..k. ;) You not only had a lame experience playing this game, but also ruined it to every opponent you faced. And do you seriously want to be understood? LOL. give me a break, please...
To me, there is nothing more disgusting and toxic than the players who cry their opponents are ruining the game for them. I play for my own reasons, not to entertain you. Run back to your mommy, you spoiled little brat. The world is not centered around you.
In a world filled with genocidal maniacs, slavery, piracy, rapists and murderers, one
12-year-oldman casts all those crimes aside to denounce the true vileness that plagues the earth: ......................................... people saying mean things about the decks he exploits.I'm fairly certain his freedom lets him bash random idiots on the internet too, or are his reasons for posting to cuddle you and tell you you are doing a good job?
Start of Year: Provoke the failure of 3 expansions, force nerfs on otherwise balanced cards, bring deckbuilding to an all-time low and get rotated one year earlier for being such a threat to the game's health.
- Genn and Baku's historical entry on the White Book of Shit Design, shortly before retiring unpunished