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for you the person that make a speech just like martin luther king jr. i agree and would like to be your friend i hope u get my sentance ur statement was inspireing
One thing that confuses me here is that it seems to be the argument that because the hero is (presumably) highly coveted, it should be cheap. That's not how our current market works. I'm sure everyone here would like a GTX 1080 ti graphics card, but that certainly doesn't mean Nvidia should be selling them cheaply.
God knows there are plenty of criticisms to direct at international and most national economic principles and policies but I don't think we're gonna solve that by asking Blizzard to make it easier to get popular things, probably quite the opposite.
QQ. Damn them for a marketing strategy that has no affect on your winrate.
with 80$ , u can get 2 years of Dota Plus subscription. i know it's not a same game, but still 80$ is too much.
i thought Hearthstone is a global game enjoyed by many ppl , but now i am not so sure, seems like blizzard prefers US and europe market.
Can't blame them though
This just seems like a whine thread to me.
Im gonna buy 2 preorders just to piss you off
Preordering hearthstone cards this early is of course not a very good idea, since less than 10% of the expansion has been revealed, but overall, preordering these expansions is not a bad idea. preordering other games can be a very bad idea, such as battlefront two or some other game, but preordering hearthstone makes tonnes of sense, since after the expansion it will still be the same game (pretty much) and you know what you're buying. So stop saying that preordering is such a bad idea. You're just taking the fact that so many people have preordered different games, and keep getting punished for it when it turns out to be complete shit (no man's sky), but this is not even technically a game people are buying, its an expansion to a game that people know they enjoy. There is nothing here to be too risky, even if you do buy it now. You will be getting the bang for your buck if you buy it now or later, and will not be disappointed. You cant just take an argument that peoplel have used in other areas of gaming and expect it to hold up.
You keep calling them lootboxes. I don't know how i actually feel about hearthstone packs being referred to as lootboxes, i don't know if i agree or disagree with it, i just know there are plenty of arguments for either side (i think), but you just keep on reffering to them as loot boxes. You're trying to degrade the idea, the concept, of the game which has existed throughout its ENTIRE RUN. it has always been about packs, and you calling them lootboxes argues against the core of the game, the part of the game which has been around for ages. If you ask me, i don't think you actually enjoy this game very much, and you don't like the very concept of it, and i don't think someone like you should be arguing against people who actually do enjoy the game. To be honest, its kinda like there's someone who doesn't like golf, and shows up at the golf course and just yells at people who are enjoying themselves saying stuff like "why are you paying for this?" "its just a course!" "Last year it was 10$ cheaper, so don't play now" "get off this course! they're using you so that they can get money!"
"asinine" look at this guy, trying to appear smart, using less common words which stick out like a sore thumb. trying to appeal to people's belief in smart people to help persuade them. The best way to actually appear smart actually lies in the syntax if you actually want to appear smart
yes, i realize that using "syntax" is very similar to what you did with asinine, I'm just trying to give you a tip for future arguments.
I must say, 80$ for 80 packs IS A GOOD FUCKING DEAL. stop trying to tell us otherwise. 1$per pack is a good deal, just like the witchwood's 0.7 dollars per pack. Just because there was a better deal at one point in time does not mean that the current one is not bad. I actually laughed when i read you're argument for this the first time, its so fucking dumb. Its as if there's a brand of bike which is 100$, then one day, for a Christmas sale or whatever, it goes down to 50$ for a limited time, before going back to 100. And then, the next Christmas, its lowered again, but oh no! its not 50$, its 60$! don't buy it at 60! it used to be 50! Even though it now comes with a free helmet (aka golden legendary), its not worth it! don't buy it!
You keep downplaying the golden legendary. ITS ACTUALLY AMAZING. its any legendary you want it to be. it doesn't even need to be from Boomsday. it can be any legendary that is in the game. not even the all-holy witchwood deal gave you that. sure, you could disenchant about 40 packs worth of commons and rares, but that's going to make a dent in your collecting (or thereabouts) to get any legendary that you want. Its a good thing their offering, and while you cant quite convert it to a number of packs its worth, since these "lootboxes" are so random, id ague that it is both worth the loss of the better deal for packs from the witchwood and at the same time isn't.
Of course, there's also a chance that the golden legendary is exactly the one that you want, and that's just awesome, enjoy the golden legendary.
"You also get one in the normal $50 preorder as well, making that part of the bundle ultimately irrelevant." know what? i said i laughed at the other bit, but this one made me leave my chair and pace around the room, all the while laughing at the stupidity of this argument. lets apply this argument to the other areas, the 50$ one gives you a golden legendary (gl), card back (cb), 50 packs, so 50$ = gl + cb + 50p, meanwhile 80$ = gl + cb + 80packs + mecha jaraxxus. Using your logic, you can remove the golden legendary, fifty of the eighty packs, and the card back. so, truthfully, 80 = 30 packs and mecha jaraxxus. doesn't this just make no sense? This argument is actually the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, and i spend most of my time on the internet, there are some stupid people around, but this comment takes the cake.
Quick break, i don't actually think you're stupid you're just stating your opinion. i'd recommend taking a second look at your arguments and look at them with a logical eye, before you actually use them. smart people can say stupid things, so you don't need to feel too bad, just rethink arguments in the future pls (unless you're a troll, but that seems kinda dedicated and a ton of work to do everything you have, so i will admit, i don't think you're a troll. if you are, you win, if you aren't, you can keep reading my comment)
also, if you actually look at the equation up there, you should notice that i didn't do anything to the dollars, technically, if you use your logic perfectly correctly, you apply it to both sides, SO, 30$ = 30 packs, hero card which is factually correct and logical. Also, its a good deal.
i agree with your next few arguments, such as it being "ugly" the idiot here is the one who used it being ugly as a valid argument, honestly, he/she is worse than you, by far. I'll come back to that "entitled" one, but the next one, who cares? its just cosmetic is also another idiot.
You can skip this next paragraph, its just a tangent mainly
I don't know about other people, but how i prove or disprove a thought is by picking a really edge case scenario which has an obvious solution, then applying it to the thought. for example, a few days ago i saw someone complaining about bloodreaver guldan, and someone replied "well of course he's powerful, he's 10 mana! or something to that extent, but basically he just tried to downplay the entire problem that the person was raising. So I asked myself, "should ten cost cards be able to get away with being powerful" and i made myself a card, a 10 cost spell "destroy your opponent" OPOP, only defense being counterspell, which can be beaten by zero cost spells or something like that. ANYWAYS, I concluded that there are some cards which are clearly too op for blizzard to print, even if they are 10 mana. then, i applied this to bloodreaver, and decided that while he isn't as bad, if there were a spectrum, he could certainly be on it, so it is worth it to argue over his opness. Of course, the argument of "he's ten cost blah blah should be powerful" had some unwritten words that would be "but not too powerful" but this opens the question : is bloodreaver powerful enough to be over this "but not too powerful" limit which is what the original post was about, claiming that he is, and that one comment added absolutely nothing, and for some reason has stuck in my mind to this point, the fact that it can appear that some people are adding things when they truly aren't. ANYWAYS, lets end this tangent and get back on course, i don't even remember what i was thinking about when i started this paragraph, but oh well.
cosmetics are clearly wanted by people, and while they don't add anything to the gameplay, or make you win more or less, they are simply things that people want. whether you want to collect them all or will just use them if you have them, i think that most people will want them. To people who play partly for collecting all the cosmetics but don't care as much for the game itself, or play arena more where actual card packs don't matter or something, while this isn't me, i believe there will be some people like this, and to them its an 80$ hero and card back, which I will admit would be very annoying.
back to the entitled thing! You, nor are any of us, entitled to anything that blizzard produces. If they don't want all of us to have it, or want only their most loyal, paying fans to have it, then they are allowed to add the pay, they are allowed to. Of course, they can go too far with this, making something far too expensive, making it just about a full game's price just to buy the hero, but it does come with added benefits, such as the 80 packs and the golden legendary. To be honest, its a silly hero skin. its a robot juraxxas, its like making an alternate mage which is a fluffy unicorn, its nothing too serious, and instead of making him a main part of this expansion, they are just putting him as a little something extra for those who buy the expansion. I don't think blizzard think of him as very much other that a little extra thing for their already paying fans. people would buy this deal normally, so they may as well make it more worthwhile for them. I believe this is why they haven't done very much advertising for the juraxxas himself, but are rather presenting him as an extra entity to sweeten the deal.
...do you even understand how absurd your comment is? You’re spending $130 to preorder loot boxes twice. What the fuck is wrong with you?
this double ordering is a valid point. there are people who buy approximately 250 packs every expansion which in the WitchWood, cost 50$ preorder for 70, then three 70 dollar deals for 60 packs, which works to 1 $ per pack, whereas the Boomsday will be the 130 + 60 +60 which works to about 0.9 packs per dollar, slightly worse, although you also get 2 extra golden legendaries which probably reduce the amount by a bit, so maybe 220 packs or something. To be honest, I'm a F2P player (big surprise) and i have no experience in buying these packs, but i know that the golden legendaries would probably do something. Anyway, there are some people who want a full collection, and its up to them to choose what they want to do what they want to do. Sure, they could do something else with their money, but hearthstone is a very good background game for me, and i haven't quite found any other game that i can just play in the background of doing work or Youtube or whatever. to me, i can definitely see people buying both, and you shouldn't be vile and insult them for paying for something they love. (and you also referenced the packs being like loot boxes again. honestly, and i hate this argument so much, play a different game if you don't like the concept of packs. (I hate this argument because people want to be playing a good game, and if the company basically intentionally makes it worse, you have a right to complain about it. but if you complain about the very concept of a game, maybe its just not right for you. like if blizzard suddenly put a bunch of random adverts in the middle of games, i can assure you some people wouldn't care and would just be like "just play a different game" when blizzard would just be killing off their entire fanbase))
as ive already mentioned, it doesnt work to just fucking take one argument someone else has made and apply it to every fucking scenario. cynicalbiscuit was arguing for games in general, which only slightly translates to hearthstone. We already know how hearthstone plays. We know its full of bugs. We know its a pretty full game that we enjoy playing. we know that one expansion won't ruin it (unless blizz fucks up hugely) We know that we want to preorder this game, as we have been playing this game, will keep playing it and are okay with spending money on it. The argument for not preordering games is pretty solid, just look at no man's sky, which i'm told is actually kinda decentish after all the updates, but at the time of release it was shit. everyone who had preordered had only seen the trailers, only seen what was promised, but we have actually played. we, as a community, have played hearthstone for years, and we know what were getting. we can make pretty good guesses about how the meta will play out, and we can get excited about cards that we want to play. its not like a random shooter that's being made by some indie company that is making their first game and no one knows what to expect but are hoping for a good game. preordering hearthstone makes fucking sense, and i can't repeat this enough.
I can't be bothered to write anymore, i strated when i woke up and am pretty much awake now, i can't be bothered reading over anything or adding actual quote boxes, but this is good enough for me. I know there's a lot to read, so i must say, if you read all this, you deserve a medal.
It doesnt work to just fucking take one argument someone else has made and apply it to every fucking scenario. cynicalbiscuit was arguing for games in general, which only slightly translates to hearthstone. We already know how hearthstone plays. We know its full of bugs. We know its a pretty full game that we enjoy playing. we know that one expansion won't ruin it (unless blizz fucks up hugely) We know that we want to preorder this game, as we have been playing this game, will keep playing it and are okay with spending money on it. The argument for not preordering games is pretty solid, just look at no man's sky, which i'm told is actually kinda decentish after all the updates, but at the time of release it was shit. everyone who had preordered had only seen the trailers, only seen what was promised, but we have actually played. we, as a community, have played hearthstone for years, and we know what we're getting. we can make pretty good guesses about how the meta will play out, and we can get excited about cards that we want to play. its not like a random game that's being made by some indie company that is making their first game and no one knows what to expect but are hoping for a good game. preordering hearthstone makes fucking sense, and i can't repeat this enough.
I just wish that for people that buy both pre-orders, instead of getting the cardback "twice," give them an extra 10 or so packs. I'd raise my pitchforks for that.
id argue that the only reason the card back is in the second, $80 choice, is because that way people who only want the $80 choice won't feel pressured to buy both the $80 one and the $50 one if they left it only in the $50 one
We are not going to get pissed off, we will be laughing at you 😂
Dead but dreaming
I wish theres a pre order that lets you get the full set without opening packs. I think ~200$ is right, a little cheaper than the amount you would pay for packs to get full set with crafting, but you wont be getting dusts and goldens anyway and the thrill of opening packs, so the discount just about right. There are people like me who are content with that, just having all the cards.
I always buy normal pre-order packs just to be fun with games, beyond that not interested me.
This is our reaction:
You forgot to add the Golden Legendary cards which are worth 20 packs each.
--Alfi--
Golden legendary wont look nice if you get spells. I only want golden legendaries that sticks on board.
Doing God's work, OP. It is disgusting how many people in here would readily condone blizz's antics.
When the weak court death, they find it.
130EUR for eu =152$ T_T
For CIS 99EUR.
You should see the other things he's said here. You'd be surprised, and you'd also be surprised how many of us would prefer Mecha Jaraxxus be earned through playing the Puzzle Lab. Some of what he has said, I, as well as many others, can agree with. If you looked past his first comment and read through how he talks to people and how he views people that would buy the Mega Bundle, you would not be so keen on blindly eating from his ass.
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To everyone carrying on back and forth here:
Page 14 contains a bunch of posts that were initially flagged as spam, so they weren't visible till about an hour ago. I had one reply myself, but saw a few new ones.
On another note, people keep using the word "should" as in, "Hearthstone SHOULD cost X". Hearthstone should be priced exactly where people's desire for the goods intersects their willingness to pay (basic supply/demand curve) and not one cent less. Anything else in either direction is a disservice to the stake holders of the company.
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this is some next level stupid ish..
nobody forces you to buy a bundle. blizzard makes a free game for you and all you do is complaining about a skin which you are not getting for free. you'd rather pay 10 bucks for JUST the skin, like with Magni and Medivh? complaints like this are so annoying. just shut up and don't buy it then. it's a effin business!
you are expecting a free game where every new content is free too?
it's not blizzard/activision that's greedy, it's actually you!