I agree the packs are to expensive, but it is possible to play without buying them. I agree the gold reward blizzard offers is below par, but at least it seems to improve.
After playing without buying packs for a long time i decided i wanted to play more expensive decks and use those great legendaries. Ofcourse this was possible by DE'ing cards, but i'm one of those weird people that don't want to DE a card even when everybody agrees its thrash. I can affort the packs, but still i think it's to expensive.
We just need to point out the prices are rediculous to Blizzard as it's obvious they do take those complaints into account when looking at the more recent changes to quests and the recent bundles they offer. The price of those bundles is a better base for what packs are worth in my opinion.
It is very expensive. With their preorder price you can buy a new videogame. Indeed Hearthstone is a cash machine. It requires less than 4 months for develop a new expansion, very few people and it will cost like a new videogame where behind are involved hundreds of people and years of works. It is a real cash machine.
The most vast of oversimplifications. You think it only takes 4 months to develop an entire expansion just because the cycle is 4 months between? Here's a hint: They've said that Ben Brode's influence will be noted throughout Witchwood, this expansion and likely the next one to a lesser extent. Brode quit almost 3 months ago on April 20th.
But hey, cash machine with only 4 months development!
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Regarding the OP: I admit that it's a little high, but it hasn't gotten to a point that I've found excessive. Until now. I think that creating a new mega pack for those who really, really wanted to buy more pre-order packs was brilliant. I think that, despite the fact I'm not impressed by him, putting Mecha-Jaraxxus as a one-time only, behind an $80 order wall, was a HUGE mistake. Vanity heroes are fine. Charging real money for them is even fine. Attaching them to an order cost that's literally equivalent to feeding your family for a week? Mmmh, that's a little much. Even for me who loves this game.
It doesn't bother me so much now because, as I said, I'm not that chuffed by Mecha-Jaraxxus. It'd be nice to have him, but it won't hurt me not to. When they start doing this with OTHER heroes that I DO want, then I'm going to be flat out pissed. I'm hoping that they won't be encouraged by the numbers to keep on doing this.
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Honestly, I started playing in Beta, then quit, started half year later and play since then.
First two years I was total F2P with no purchases for real money. Then I started to prepurchase the 50pack deals. Now I buy ~Eur150 in packs to have complete collection. Yes, it's expensive but it's worth for me, since Hearthstone is only game I play, I play i daily and can play any deck I want.
Whatever u get in packs u get to keep and use forever unlike other games that use loot boxes and get a new installment each year like sports franchise games
The problem is that many players expect to basicly get everything every single expansion while investing casually - no money and little time invested. Let's not forget that getting 150g a day is about 55000g a year - being 550 packs, enough to play different meta decks in all 3 seasons AND building up a good collection for wild. Yeah, the system is designed to not hand out gifts all the time. Is that a bad thing?
I disagree completly I think most players think if you don't spend you should get a some free stuff and it's fine.
The loudest complaints are from people who spend $100-300 per year. Currently that dollar amount gets u about 70-80% of the game, and you will be missing 3-4 or more meta legendaries and a bunch of meta epics, if you buy a pre-release and expect to be able to play 3 or 4 meta decks you will be disappointed you might get 2.
Setting the game up so that people dont spend 100 bucks on an expansion open 200 packs (10 legendaries and 40 epics on average) and then feel gipped, can only be a good thing.
There are tons of ways for blizzard to do better while still supporting the bottom line.
The problem is that many players expect to basicly get everything every single expansion while investing casually - no money and little time invested. Let's not forget that getting 150g a day is about 55000g a year - being 550 packs, enough to play different meta decks in all 3 seasons AND building up a good collection for wild. Yeah, the system is designed to not hand out gifts all the time. Is that a bad thing?
I disagree completly I think most players think if you don't spend you should get a some free stuff and it's fine.
The loudest complaints are from people who spend $100-300 per year. Currently that dollar amount gets u about 70-80% of the game, and you will be missing 3-4 or more meta legendaries and a bunch of meta epics, if you buy a pre-release and expect to be able to play 3 or 4 meta decks you will be disappointed you might get 2.
Setting the game up so that people dont spend 100 bucks on an expansion open 200 packs (10 legendaries and 40 epics on average) and then feel gipped, can only be a good thing.
There are tons of ways for blizzard to do better while still supporting the bottom line.
Share these ideas
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There is a thing called an uninstall button. Nobody cares that you are quitting Heathstone
putting Mecha-Jaraxxus as a one-time only, behind an $80 order wall, was a HUGE mistake. Vanity heroes are fine. Charging real money for them is even fine. Attaching them to an order cost that's literally equivalent to feeding your family for a week? Mmmh, that's a little much. Even for me who loves this game.
Well, they also had a few heroes not everybody can get. The Paladin girl can only be achieved by playing WoW, which i myself can't play because of motion sickness. Then there was this Priest girl i couldn't get due to it only being available to people who had twitch prime at a time when it was available only in a few countries and requires a credit card.
Considering that, adding it to a 80 euro bundle that also offers a fair amount of packs isn't even that terrible. I prefer this over being forced to get an amazon/twitch prime subscription i don't need.
I think the main Problem is that you dont get enough value for your money if you are unlucky, thats the reason i went free to play after a few expansions.
I preordered for 50€ and from my 50 packs i got 3 legendarys, 2 of them were crap, i got 6 or 7 epics, most of them were crap nobody ever played in contructed too, so i ended up paying 50 dollars for pretty much nothing, i was barely able to build one meta deck.
I agree more so now since we can pre order twice every expansion as well. we're talking about 460 pounds in English standard per year, just if you wanted to buy both pre orders each time.
It's a lot to me, maybe not to others so much.
there is 4 expansions a year right, or is it three? If it's three it's a bit less than that, but still a lot.
I think the main Problem is that you dont get enough value for your money if you are unlucky, thats the reason i went free to play after a few expansions.
I preordered for 50€ and from my 50 packs i got 3 legendarys, 2 of them were crap, i got 6 or 7 epics, most of them were crap nobody ever played in contructed too, so i ended up paying 50 dollars for pretty much nothing, i was barely able to build one meta deck.
Yes. If you compare to most other games, I think the pack prices for real money should be half or less. 50€ is what you pay for a full big game, and if you compare that to your preorder experience, it does not look pretty for Hearthstone...
It is very expensive. With their preorder price you can buy a new videogame. Indeed Hearthstone is a cash machine. It requires less than 4 months for develop a new expansion, very few people and it will cost like a new videogame where behind are involved hundreds of people and years of works. It is a real cash machine.
The most vast of oversimplifications. You think it only takes 4 months to develop an entire expansion just because the cycle is 4 months between? Here's a hint: They've said that Ben Brode's influence will be noted throughout Witchwood, this expansion and likely the next one to a lesser extent. Brode quit almost 3 months ago on April 20th.
But hey, cash machine with only 4 months development!
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Regarding the OP: I admit that it's a little high, but it hasn't gotten to a point that I've found excessive. Until now. I think that creating a new mega pack for those who really, really wanted to buy more pre-order packs was brilliant. I think that, despite the fact I'm not impressed by him, putting Mecha-Jaraxxus as a one-time only, behind an $80 order wall, was a HUGE mistake. Vanity heroes are fine. Charging real money for them is even fine. Attaching them to an order cost that's literally equivalent to feeding your family for a week? Mmmh, that's a little much. Even for me who loves this game.
It doesn't bother me so much now because, as I said, I'm not that chuffed by Mecha-Jaraxxus. It'd be nice to have him, but it won't hurt me not to. When they start doing this with OTHER heroes that I DO want, then I'm going to be flat out pissed. I'm hoping that they won't be encouraged by the numbers to keep on doing this.
Hopefully they are just testing the waters here. with a enough backlash (or poor sales of the unit) they may refrain from putting hero skins behind exorbitant paywall's in the future.,
I'm just conviced that those bundles are there for card collectors, that are either looking for golden cards or want to try almost every deck that is out there, and will buy the bundle even if the price keeps going up.
I currently have almost every card I need from each expansion and start saving for the next one, just do my daily quests, some arena now and then, dusting legendaries I believe won't have much impact on wild and currently hang at rank 3 or 4 with a shudderwock deck (12kdust).
So I currently have 4.2k gold, hoping to get to 7k or 8k before the next expansion and 11k of dust, so I just have just what I need to start buying packs with the game's money.
I've never bought any of those big bundles, I justI see them as triple AAA games which are not deserved to be.
So like I said, if you are not a card collector, you shouldn't be buying this bundle.
Spent $0 this year, still have 22k dust and all what I need for at least 3-5 top deck + few memes.
I've also spent nothing this year, but i got K&C pre order last year and spent about 100 pounds on amazon coins to buy packs from older expansions. If I'd had the cash laying around to do the "everyone get in here" deal though I'd have done that as it seemed great.
To stay competitive this year I just had to dust my cards that rotated out (and tbh "competitive isn't really an issue for me, I just like doing cool things and combo decks)
I think I'm going to have to pre order the next set as well as i don't have anything I can dust now. that way if I get 130 packs from the pre orders I should get a fair amount of dust, not to mention two 100% golden legendaries I can dust to be able to craft 2 legendaries for certain.
I don't even really like the mecha jaraxxus hero, the pink looks weird (I prefer nemsy) but the rest of the stuff from the packs is worth it. 2 golden legendaries and 130 packs would mean I can start playing some other classes other than warlock.
Really looking forward to this next set now. I'm hoping there is some "magnetic" love that can be applied to my meat wagon decks as well. I mean at a glance it doesn't make a ton of sense as you want to pop your wagons, but maybe there will be a mechanic that makes it harder to kill for the opponent or they can't target it with a silence which would be amazing.
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I agree the packs are to expensive, but it is possible to play without buying them.
I agree the gold reward blizzard offers is below par, but at least it seems to improve.
After playing without buying packs for a long time i decided i wanted to play more expensive decks and use those great legendaries.
Ofcourse this was possible by DE'ing cards, but i'm one of those weird people that don't want to DE a card even when everybody agrees its thrash.
I can affort the packs, but still i think it's to expensive.
We just need to point out the prices are rediculous to Blizzard as it's obvious they do take those complaints into account when looking at the more recent changes to quests and the recent bundles they offer.
The price of those bundles is a better base for what packs are worth in my opinion.
started f2p since 5 seasons after release. hit rank 4 my highest rank so far ehehhe and 11 wins arena
The most vast of oversimplifications. You think it only takes 4 months to develop an entire expansion just because the cycle is 4 months between? Here's a hint: They've said that Ben Brode's influence will be noted throughout Witchwood, this expansion and likely the next one to a lesser extent. Brode quit almost 3 months ago on April 20th.
But hey, cash machine with only 4 months development!
----
Regarding the OP: I admit that it's a little high, but it hasn't gotten to a point that I've found excessive. Until now. I think that creating a new mega pack for those who really, really wanted to buy more pre-order packs was brilliant. I think that, despite the fact I'm not impressed by him, putting Mecha-Jaraxxus as a one-time only, behind an $80 order wall, was a HUGE mistake. Vanity heroes are fine. Charging real money for them is even fine. Attaching them to an order cost that's literally equivalent to feeding your family for a week? Mmmh, that's a little much. Even for me who loves this game.
It doesn't bother me so much now because, as I said, I'm not that chuffed by Mecha-Jaraxxus. It'd be nice to have him, but it won't hurt me not to. When they start doing this with OTHER heroes that I DO want, then I'm going to be flat out pissed. I'm hoping that they won't be encouraged by the numbers to keep on doing this.
A never-Legend Dad who keeps making rank 2 or 1, but then sliding.
Rumbling around Gurubashi Arena. Shirvallah is the best loa. Go Tigers!
Honestly, I started playing in Beta, then quit, started half year later and play since then.
First two years I was total F2P with no purchases for real money. Then I started to prepurchase the 50pack deals. Now I buy ~Eur150 in packs to have complete collection. Yes, it's expensive but it's worth for me, since Hearthstone is only game I play, I play i daily and can play any deck I want.
--Alfi--
HS is totally free
and OP is total whiner
Whatever u get in packs u get to keep and use forever unlike other games that use loot boxes and get a new installment each year like sports franchise games
I disagree completly I think most players think if you don't spend you should get a some free stuff and it's fine.
The loudest complaints are from people who spend $100-300 per year. Currently that dollar amount gets u about 70-80% of the game, and you will be missing 3-4 or more meta legendaries and a bunch of meta epics, if you buy a pre-release and expect to be able to play 3 or 4 meta decks you will be disappointed you might get 2.
Setting the game up so that people dont spend 100 bucks on an expansion open 200 packs (10 legendaries and 40 epics on average) and then feel gipped, can only be a good thing.
There are tons of ways for blizzard to do better while still supporting the bottom line.
Share these ideas
There is a thing called an uninstall button. Nobody cares that you are quitting Heathstone
Well, they also had a few heroes not everybody can get.
The Paladin girl can only be achieved by playing WoW, which i myself can't play because of motion sickness.
Then there was this Priest girl i couldn't get due to it only being available to people who had twitch prime at a time when it was available only in a few countries and requires a credit card.
Considering that, adding it to a 80 euro bundle that also offers a fair amount of packs isn't even that terrible.
I prefer this over being forced to get an amazon/twitch prime subscription i don't need.
I think the main Problem is that you dont get enough value for your money if you are unlucky, thats the reason i went free to play after a few expansions.
I preordered for 50€ and from my 50 packs i got 3 legendarys, 2 of them were crap, i got 6 or 7 epics, most of them were crap nobody ever played in contructed too, so i ended up paying 50 dollars for pretty much nothing, i was barely able to build one meta deck.
I agree more so now since we can pre order twice every expansion as well. we're talking about 460 pounds in English standard per year, just if you wanted to buy both pre orders each time.
It's a lot to me, maybe not to others so much.
there is 4 expansions a year right, or is it three? If it's three it's a bit less than that, but still a lot.
Yes. If you compare to most other games, I think the pack prices for real money should be half or less. 50€ is what you pay for a full big game, and if you compare that to your preorder experience, it does not look pretty for Hearthstone...
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Hopefully they are just testing the waters here. with a enough backlash (or poor sales of the unit) they may refrain from putting hero skins behind exorbitant paywall's in the future.,
3 Expansion per year
I'm Canadian. $109 to buy the larger option. Wow.
109? I'm seeing 99.99 exactly. And I've never paid taxes, so unless they've changed that, it would only be 100 dollars for the Mega Bundle.
"only" 100 dollars :'D
Top deck is cheat
Spent $0 this year, still have 22k dust and all what I need for at least 3-5 top deck + few memes.
I'm just conviced that those bundles are there for card collectors, that are either looking for golden cards or want to try almost every deck that is out there, and will buy the bundle even if the price keeps going up.
I currently have almost every card I need from each expansion and start saving for the next one, just do my daily quests, some arena now and then, dusting legendaries I believe won't have much impact on wild and currently hang at rank 3 or 4 with a shudderwock deck (12kdust).
So I currently have 4.2k gold, hoping to get to 7k or 8k before the next expansion and 11k of dust, so I just have just what I need to start buying packs with the game's money.
I've never bought any of those big bundles, I justI see them as triple AAA games which are not deserved to be.
So like I said, if you are not a card collector, you shouldn't be buying this bundle.
I've also spent nothing this year, but i got K&C pre order last year and spent about 100 pounds on amazon coins to buy packs from older expansions. If I'd had the cash laying around to do the "everyone get in here" deal though I'd have done that as it seemed great.
To stay competitive this year I just had to dust my cards that rotated out (and tbh "competitive isn't really an issue for me, I just like doing cool things and combo decks)
I think I'm going to have to pre order the next set as well as i don't have anything I can dust now. that way if I get 130 packs from the pre orders I should get a fair amount of dust, not to mention two 100% golden legendaries I can dust to be able to craft 2 legendaries for certain.
I don't even really like the mecha jaraxxus hero, the pink looks weird (I prefer nemsy) but the rest of the stuff from the packs is worth it. 2 golden legendaries and 130 packs would mean I can start playing some other classes other than warlock.
Really looking forward to this next set now. I'm hoping there is some "magnetic" love that can be applied to my meat wagon decks as well. I mean at a glance it doesn't make a ton of sense as you want to pop your wagons, but maybe there will be a mechanic that makes it harder to kill for the opponent or they can't target it with a silence which would be amazing.