Intro: was unsure where to put this, in the end a new thread in General Discussion seemed the less awkward choice. In this post below I'll talk about one quite specific aspect of the topic, but hopefully the discussion could grow with your own experiences and thoughts, on this and other respects of the matter. For example, if once you were somehow able to "read" your opponent's mind from their playstyle and, based on that, made a winning play yourself. Maybe some reasoning on why there is so much salt around? Or the motives for some guys to be completionists? Etc. etc.
Just after winning a game with my druid against a paladin, he adds me as a friend and I accept. He writes something in an obscure language, probably romanian from the sound of it, and then unfriends me right away. By this behaviour I can guess those words were some kind of insult, would be pretty typical.
But mate, romanian!? How can you expect people to understand that, outside of your countrymen and the occasional translator or interpreter? Honestly, instead of making me mad, it just made me laugh.
I'm no psychologist, but from this it seems insulting is less about making the other person suffer, and more about letting out your own suffering. What do you think?
Said the guy with golden paladin after conceded to my mindcontrolled tirion. Honestly the majority of these people have to be young and had it done to them so that is where they learn it.
maybe hes jsut a salty kid and thinking everyone speaks his language
but that Friendrequest -> Insult -> instant delete happens a lot - what a shame
Yes, I know it happens a lot, wasn't really surprised by that, but the language bit seemed kind of silly. Which made me think he wasn't really trying to communicate anything but rather just letting out his salt.
Which in turn could lead us to one of the other questions: why so much salt around? I have my own theory but will wait a bit to tell about it... ;)
Intro: was unsure where to put this, in the end a new thread in General Discussion seemed the less awkward choice. In this post below I'll talk about one quite specific aspect of the topic, but hopefully the discussion could grow with your own experiences and thoughts, on this and other respects of the matter. For example, if once you were somehow able to "read" your opponent's mind from their playstyle and, based on that, made a winning play yourself. Maybe some reasoning on why there is so much salt around? Or the motives for some guys to be completionists? Etc. etc.
Just after winning a game with my druid against a paladin, he adds me as a friend and I accept. He writes something in an obscure language, probably romanian from the sound of it, and then unfriends me right away. By this behaviour I can guess those words were some kind of insult, would be pretty typical.
But mate, romanian!? How can you expect people to understand that, outside of your countrymen and the occasional translator or interpreter? Honestly, instead of making me mad, it just made me laugh.
I'm no psychologist, but from this it seems insulting is less about making the other person suffer, and more about letting out your own suffering. What do you think?
Yes, I agree with you. Of course insulting is about self satisfaction rather than serving any other purpose, or as may some people conceive - harming others. In fact this is true for all things in life. Whatever we do, we must do for self satisfaction. Take an example of a kid who is forced to go to school and study hard at home, which obviously he does not like. he is not satisfied with this. Moreover he is a very good singer and songwriter. He writes his own songs and uploads his work on youtube. When he see so many likes and good comments he is satisfied with his work and motivated to do this again. So, satisfaction in our work makes us better and keeps us composed. People think that adding someone as friend and writing bad things and then unfriending is not good. But, I think this is very good for the player and for the game as well. Also, the player on the receiving end does not mind as everyone have a laugh after this. After doing this, the person feels comfortable and less tilted and he can do better in his next game. Though, I would still advise to take a break if you don't want to go on a losing streak.
PS: I am writing this because some people can take wrong meaning from my above comment. Yes you need to do what satisfies you, but you also need to consider others' right. I mean you can't go on killing people because it satisfies you. But, insulting people is fine, because insulting really doesn't harm anyone. infact others have something to laugh about! Also, you can insult in any other language which the receiving person can't understand, cause at the end of the day satisfaction matters!
Well, I'm a Romanian and I know there are so many languages that sounds like Romanian and total unreadable to other people.
I just don't like when someone comes and say he was insulted in Romanian (or any other obscure language) but he's not sure that was Romanian or something else. If you're not sure what language that was and you don't use translation to find out, why name that language at all? Just say it was an unreadable language to you.
Most Romanian people can speak English, so if that guy was Romanian and insulted you in Romanian then he was just a stupid salty kid and shouldn't be taken too seriously.
OK, found last comments quite interesting, and also giving me the lead for the mentioned theory. It may be a bit of a stretch, bear with me ;)
Why do we play games? Simple answer is as a pastime, to have fun and such. But there might be more profound reasons, reasons we're not completely aware of. At least for "serious" gamers, maybe casuals could be exempted.
Life is complicated, and can be harsh at times: our best efforts can sometimes lead to nothing, or to less than we expected, and this can be frustrating. On the other hand a game, however complex it may be, is much simpler than life as a whole. Since it's simpler, in a game we find the promise that our efforts will bear fruit more easily, our abilities will prove themselves, I daresay ultimately our very existence, as a person, could be validated.
But what happens when we fail in the game? I guess we may perceive it like a sort of treason, of betrayal. The promise hasn't been fulfilled. Here too, just like in life in general, our efforts may not be enough to make the desired result happen. Not even here, in this simpler world, we're able to find the satisfaction we crave. And what's left, then? Hence the anger, the salt, the insults.
Like said above, it's a bit of stretch. Hopefully, for people living a serene, healthy and meaningful life it isn't like this. For those who don't, however...
This is also the reason why mocking people who fall into this trap is a really, really hypocritical position. Because after all, mocking someone else over their frustrations is not all that unlike of what one does themselves since you have taken interest in someone else and therefore there being something of value there to you. May that be a cheap laugh or finding it sad that people act this way; people of all kinds, kings and peasants, children as elders, wise and dumb all together have acted in such ways for centuries.
Yes, I'm aware of the social aspects of the topic, and actually had thought of adding a mention of them in the 1st post. In the end decided not to, just to keep it simple, but I'm happy someone else did. And your comment is quite interesting, although not an easy read ;)
Only thing is, I find the piece quoted here a bit ungenerous. I's a generalization, and as such has both value and pitfalls. In my case, I wasn't really mocking the guy, and I do hope the laugh needs not be construed as cheap. Firstly, it was more like a "I'm not offended by this" smile, rather than a "boohoo, stupid kid!" wicked laugh. Secondly, I didn't stop at the laugh but as you can see went on trying to understand that behaviour... which maybe is not like people of all kinds [...] have acted [...] for centuries.
Well, I'm a Romanian and I know there are so many languages that sounds like Romanian and total unreadable to other people.
I just don't like when someone comes and say he was insulted in Romanian (or any other obscure language) but he's not sure that was Romanian or something else. If you're not sure what language that was and you don't use translation to find out, why name that language at all? Just say it was an unreadable language to you.
Most Romanian people can speak English, so if that guy was Romanian and insulted you in Romanian then he was just a stupid salty kid and shouldn't be taken too seriously.
Well, mate, you're sort of contradicting yourself here, aren't you? "say he was insulted in Romanian [...] but he's not sure that was Romanian". By definition, if one says he's not sure about something it's not the same as he said it was (definitely) like that. In other words, first you accuse me of doing something, then admit I really didn't? ;)
Jokes aside, I meant no offence, and the point wasn't that anyway. Instead of Romanian, it could have been any other language not widely understood in Europe (outside of the country where it's spoken, ofc), and the argument would have been the same.
But if you must know, I did try to use translation to find out. The fact is, the chat balloon popped out of my window fast, and I didn't have the presence of mind to capture it. In that moment I was trying to answer to my "friend"... but he unfriended me in a second, so the sentence as a whole was lost (besides the general "sound" of it).
However, one word captured my attention and I remembered it: it was "retardata". Didn't spend hours researching but, ruling out Latin, only related languages I found were Romanian and Spanish. I know a bit of Spanish and that wasn't it for sure. So, saying it was "probably Romanian" seemed fair enough.
Fair enough. I didn't know you are such into human psychic and behavior regarding life and gaming balance. I think we all know this game can be very frustrating sometimes and we all have periods when nothing seems to work - in life or in the game :)). When someone plays this game just to climb the ladder, well...I can see why sometimes this game can be the very opposite of rewarding and such, very frustrating for some. But I do not mean that adding a player just to insult and remove him right away is excruciating in any way or language.
"retardata" is indeed a Romanian word though it is of feminine gender (in Romanian we have different adjectives for feminine and masculine gender). No translation needed as it's straightforward.
I remember once when pirate warrior was at its best and I got rekt by one by turn 4-5. I added that guy after the game and he messaged me immediately saying "Yes, noob. What you need?". -"Just to see you win another one 'cause I have the quest to watch a friend winning." He then said "lol, ok". I watched him and he lost the next game, then came back to me saying "lol, that was embarrassing". Conclusion: that deck is/was cancer and it pulls out the worst in people.
What I'm trying to say is that even behind rude behavior there are nice people, sometimes. They just feel protected behind the screen and sometimes they behave more rude than in real life, I believe.
Like the people who phone up and say they know 'you have been in an accident in the last 5 years that wasn't your fault'
I used to get really angry and shout at them. Now I turn it around and give them a good conversation until they get annoyed with me and hangup, "ah yes actually I have had 3 so can you tell me which one you are asking about?" they soon get bored :)
Adding people on ladder when you're using a cut and paste deck (highly likely) is not going to garner you a proper "well played, lets be friends".
However, winning against someone with something unique will get you less salt and many more friends and even a better play experience.
Hmm... definitely maybe XD.
Don't know about uniqueness, with 70 million players out there and perhaps a billion decks being played. Probably we should be content with just a tiny bit of originality.
But sometimes, even playing something original doesn't guarantee you less salt and more friends, let me assure you. Not that I'm particularly troubled by the first, or craving the second, mind. Anyway, I had a couple cards in my deck that I've never seen used in that archetype, yet my opponent was mad. Heck, come to think of it, he might even have been mad because of those cards?
Cowardly move if you wanna talk shit to your opponent you should at least wait to their reply, too many ppl in this day n age wanna use words but won't take credit for them
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Intro: was unsure where to put this, in the end a new thread in General Discussion seemed the less awkward choice. In this post below I'll talk about one quite specific aspect of the topic, but hopefully the discussion could grow with your own experiences and thoughts, on this and other respects of the matter. For example, if once you were somehow able to "read" your opponent's mind from their playstyle and, based on that, made a winning play yourself. Maybe some reasoning on why there is so much salt around? Or the motives for some guys to be completionists? Etc. etc.
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Just after winning a game with my druid against a paladin, he adds me as a friend and I accept. He writes something in an obscure language, probably romanian from the sound of it, and then unfriends me right away. By this behaviour I can guess those words were some kind of insult, would be pretty typical.
But mate, romanian!? How can you expect people to understand that, outside of your countrymen and the occasional translator or interpreter? Honestly, instead of making me mad, it just made me laugh.
I'm no psychologist, but from this it seems insulting is less about making the other person suffer, and more about letting out your own suffering. What do you think?
Lululululululu u r so bad stupid lululululu
Said the guy with golden paladin after conceded to my mindcontrolled tirion. Honestly the majority of these people have to be young and had it done to them so that is where they learn it.
It's similar to the salt thread, or screaming at your laptop/punching the wall etc. Just letting out your own anger.
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Well, I'm a Romanian and I know there are so many languages that sounds like Romanian and total unreadable to other people.
I just don't like when someone comes and say he was insulted in Romanian (or any other obscure language) but he's not sure that was Romanian or something else. If you're not sure what language that was and you don't use translation to find out, why name that language at all? Just say it was an unreadable language to you.
Most Romanian people can speak English, so if that guy was Romanian and insulted you in Romanian then he was just a stupid salty kid and shouldn't be taken too seriously.
OK, found last comments quite interesting, and also giving me the lead for the mentioned theory. It may be a bit of a stretch, bear with me ;)
Why do we play games? Simple answer is as a pastime, to have fun and such. But there might be more profound reasons, reasons we're not completely aware of. At least for "serious" gamers, maybe casuals could be exempted.
Life is complicated, and can be harsh at times: our best efforts can sometimes lead to nothing, or to less than we expected, and this can be frustrating. On the other hand a game, however complex it may be, is much simpler than life as a whole. Since it's simpler, in a game we find the promise that our efforts will bear fruit more easily, our abilities will prove themselves, I daresay ultimately our very existence, as a person, could be validated.
But what happens when we fail in the game? I guess we may perceive it like a sort of treason, of betrayal. The promise hasn't been fulfilled. Here too, just like in life in general, our efforts may not be enough to make the desired result happen. Not even here, in this simpler world, we're able to find the satisfaction we crave. And what's left, then? Hence the anger, the salt, the insults.
Like said above, it's a bit of stretch. Hopefully, for people living a serene, healthy and meaningful life it isn't like this. For those who don't, however...
Fair enough. I didn't know you are such into human psychic and behavior regarding life and gaming balance. I think we all know this game can be very frustrating sometimes and we all have periods when nothing seems to work - in life or in the game :)). When someone plays this game just to climb the ladder, well...I can see why sometimes this game can be the very opposite of rewarding and such, very frustrating for some. But I do not mean that adding a player just to insult and remove him right away is excruciating in any way or language.
"retardata" is indeed a Romanian word though it is of feminine gender (in Romanian we have different adjectives for feminine and masculine gender). No translation needed as it's straightforward.
I remember once when pirate warrior was at its best and I got rekt by one by turn 4-5. I added that guy after the game and he messaged me immediately saying "Yes, noob. What you need?". -"Just to see you win another one 'cause I have the quest to watch a friend winning." He then said "lol, ok". I watched him and he lost the next game, then came back to me saying "lol, that was embarrassing". Conclusion: that deck is/was cancer and it pulls out the worst in people.
What I'm trying to say is that even behind rude behavior there are nice people, sometimes. They just feel protected behind the screen and sometimes they behave more rude than in real life, I believe.
Remember guys. Spoiled kids can download Hearthstone too...
I think its down to how YOU deal with it...
Like the people who phone up and say they know 'you have been in an accident in the last 5 years that wasn't your fault'
I used to get really angry and shout at them. Now I turn it around and give them a good conversation until they get annoyed with me and hangup, "ah yes actually I have had 3 so can you tell me which one you are asking about?" they soon get bored :)
...The problem is not the problem, the problem is your attitude to the problem.
Adding people on ladder when you're using a cut and paste deck (highly likely) is not going to garner you a proper "well played, lets be friends".
However, winning against someone with something unique will get you less salt and many more friends and even a better play experience.
This article robbed me of valuable time and mental energy. Funny though.
Cowardly move if you wanna talk shit to your opponent you should at least wait to their reply, too many ppl in this day n age wanna use words but won't take credit for them