Drakonid Operative needs to be nerfed

#778 Dec 30, 2016 (Gadgetzan)
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Control warri is good, yes. But "'reno priest"? :D What is it? Oh, reno with a lot of fucking dragon...

Renolock is fine, but every bastard play leeroylock, because it's easier and more match in the new aggrometa...

firstly, watch the way you talk. secondly, priest is the WEAKEST class in Hearthstone currently... Reno dragon priest makes sense because if you have Deathwing: Dragonlord, all your dragons come out which gives priest the edge out of the other classes.

Dragon priest is control as well as Control Warrior. So I'm guessing you have a bias against Priest because you are addicted to Pirate Warrior...

So.....much.....fail........

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#779 Dec 30, 2016 (Gadgetzan)
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Control warri is good, yes. But "'reno priest"? :D What is it? Oh, reno with a lot of fucking dragon...

Renolock is fine, but every bastard play leeroylock, because it's easier and more match in the new aggrometa...

firstly, watch the way you talk. secondly, priest is the WEAKEST class in Hearthstone currently... Reno dragon priest makes sense because if you have Deathwing: Dragonlord, all your dragons come out which gives priest the edge out of the other classes.

Dragon priest is control as well as Control Warrior. So I'm guessing you have a bias against Priest because you are addicted to Pirate Warrior...

One expects control decks to not have a finisher..... The other feels priest is the weakest class currently... You both sir have earned my respect

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#780 Dec 30, 2016 (Gadgetzan)
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No this card is perfect.

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Quote from GrillaDrilla4Life >>

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Control warri is good, yes. But "'reno priest"? :D What is it? Oh, reno with a lot of fucking dragon...

Renolock is fine, but every bastard play leeroylock, because it's easier and more match in the new aggrometa...

firstly, watch the way you talk. secondly, priest is the WEAKEST class in Hearthstone currently... Reno dragon priest makes sense because if you have Deathwing: Dragonlord, all your dragons come out which gives priest the edge out of the other classes.

Dragon priest is control as well as Control Warrior. So I'm guessing you have a bias against Priest because you are addicted to Pirate Warrior...

Um, how do you expect to kill Deathwing Dragonlord? He is literally a giant potato that steals all your mana. Id rather play the other Deathwing cause at least he'll provide some kind of swing as soon as he drops on the board.

Actually, wait a second! Why would you play that card if priest mostly plays dragons with battlecry?? That doesn't make sense at all!

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I agree Drakonid Operative is way OP. It is the reason the ladder is flooded with Priests right now.

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#785 Dec 31, 2016 (Gadgetzan)
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So many haters You pirate circle jerking cockheads get the most OP openers in game. Can end shit by turn 5 Priest get 1 good card and its the end of the world. The fuck is wrong with you people

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So many haters You pirate circle jerking cockheads get the most OP openers in game. Can end shit by turn 5 Priest get 1 good card and its the end of the world. The fuck is wrong with you people

Just because pirates are OP, doesn't mean Operative isn't either. I played priest for the first time ever despite hating the class just to play that card, it's too damn good and wins games in a lot of ways.

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ooo..so cute.The priest player is triggered cause everybody realised that it's broken but he wants free rank.Drakonoid OP is broken, that's it

Great analysis! Finally someone who brings some cold hard data to support their claim.

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Great analysis! Finally someone who brings some cold hard data to support their claim.

mate, this is an internet forum for us to talk about our favourite Japanese card game, not a debate club.

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Great analysis! Finally someone who brings some cold hard data to support their claim.

mate, this is an internet forum for us to talk about our favourite Japanese card game, not a debate club.

That doesn't mean you can just make wild claims without backing it up, if you want to be taken seriously.

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That doesn't mean you can just make wild claims without backing it up, if you want to be taken seriously.

If you want to be taken seriously, you wouldn't be on Hearthpwn.

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That doesn't mean you can just make wild claims without backing it up, if you want to be taken seriously.

If you want to be taken seriously, you wouldn't be on Hearthpwn.

Nearly 40 pages of discussion would disagree with you.

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"The only good card that priest has gotten in god knows how many expansions should be nerfed because i lost to it as Pirate warrior."

Get the fuck outta here.

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Nearly 40 pages of discussion would disagree with you.

I just see 40 pages of supporting evidence in my favour.

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What data do you want?A 5 mana 5/6 that it's a dragon and gives you to choose from 3 cards in your opponent's deck.For a card thathas such a good battlecry the stats should be toned down.+ that you can spy on your opponent's deck and it has dragon synergy too.You must be crazy if you think it's balanced

Well, what I did for a small sampling of games last month was record my choices, what I picked, and whether or not it contributed to a win. From those, I looked at if the choice was game breaking or won the game outright where I shouldn't have won. You also have to consider that 1) this is a dragon card, so the conditional strength is justified, 2) this is a class card, so it being better than average is justified, 3) there has never been a card printed like this before, so comparing it to other cards doesn't really lead to useful conclusions.

You also have to consider Team 5's history of nerfs and what they use to determine if yes or no, a card needs nerfing. This card doesn't really fall in line with previous nerfs (as it doesn't give you an automatic win, reset the board, doesn't produce an uninteractive board state, isn't an auto-include in every Priest deck, doesn't limit future design space, etc).

Provide data that can trump all of that, and you might just have a good point.

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Well, what I did for a small sampling of games last month was record my choices, what I picked, and whether or not it contributed to a win. From those, I looked at if the choice was game breaking or won the game outright where I shouldn't have won. You also have to consider that 1) this is a dragon card, so the conditional strength is justified, 2) this is a class card, so it being better than average is justified, 3) there has never been a card printed like this before, so comparing it to other cards doesn't really lead to useful conclusions.

You also have to consider Team 5's history of nerfs and what they use to determine if yes or no, a card needs nerfing. This card doesn't really fall in line with previous nerfs (as it doesn't give you an automatic win, reset the board, doesn't produce an uninteractive board state, isn't an auto-include in every Priest deck, doesn't limit future design space, etc).

Provide data that can trump all of that, and you might just have a good point.

You being incapable of winning is not an argument for the card not being broken.

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Well, what I did for a small sampling of games last month was record my choices, what I picked, and whether or not it contributed to a win. From those, I looked at if the choice was game breaking or won the game outright where I shouldn't have won. You also have to consider that 1) this is a dragon card, so the conditional strength is justified, 2) this is a class card, so it being better than average is justified, 3) there has never been a card printed like this before, so comparing it to other cards doesn't really lead to useful conclusions.

You also have to consider Team 5's history of nerfs and what they use to determine if yes or no, a card needs nerfing. This card doesn't really fall in line with previous nerfs (as it doesn't give you an automatic win, reset the board, doesn't produce an uninteractive board state, isn't an auto-include in every Priest deck, doesn't limit future design space, etc).

Provide data that can trump all of that, and you might just have a good point.

You being incapable of winning is not an argument for the card not being broken.

What are the metrics by which a card is judged to be broken/OP?

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What are the metrics by which a card is judged to be broken/OP?

If I say it's broken, it's broken.

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