Herald Volazj summons 1/1s of copied minions but we've recieved confirmation that buffs to C'Thun work as an aura rather than being on the C'Thun itself.
My question: Does this mean that if you copy C'Thun with Herald Volazj that the 1/1 C'Thun would be buffed by the aura making it something like a 9/9 if the original is a 14/14?
That's how it should work at least but I'm just looking for confirmation.
It would very clearly summon a C'Thun with base stats 1/1, plus whatever buffs you have accumulated. (So in total, it would have 5 less attack and health than the original.)
There is literally no other logical way for this to be.
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The card states that the copy itself is a 1/1 before being tagged as a "copy of your minion", so I believe it'll still be a 1/1. Plus, it's a copy generated from a source outside of the game, so it's not exactly the same C'Thun that's in your deck.
Ye of course the body will benefit by such auras, but the base body will remain a 1/1, probably even if you silence it to prevent cards like Wailing Soul to become completely broken in sinergy with Volazj
Then the answer is yes, it would summon a big C'Thun.
Clearly demonstrating that you didn't even read my original OP.
It most likely would summon a 1/1 which is buffed yes. It's however virutally irrelevant since if your c'tun sticks on board, you've won the game already.
its like buffing cards in your deck with the shaman legendary (forgot the name), play the buffed card, and if you copy them somehow in your hand with card like echo or something, it doesnt have the buff
No, it shouldn't be that way (at least according to what we know how the C'Thun buffs work. The Mistcaller actually gives a buff to the single minions and you can silence them, whereas C'thun allegedly receives his buff as an aura that can't be silencd off him. Like the above mentioned flametongue totem example. Or like the "buffs" in one of the recent brawls, where all minions got a deathrattle (draw a card, get a coin, get a banana) which was also not silencable.
1) They didn't explicitly state that it works like an aura, but they stated that he retains buffs after being brought back to the hand. And that implies an aura.
It most likely would summon a 1/1 which is buffed yes. It's however virutally irrelevant since if your c'tun sticks on board, you've won the game already.
In most cases yes, but there will be other times when you're forced into the position to play a halfassed C'thun vs a Warrior with 80 armor & it's topkek mode for both players.
So you should play Herald Volazj in your C'Thun deck because of the off-chance that you'll be up against a warrior with tons of armor and no removal of any kind?
It's pretty clear to me that this "combo" isn't a thing.
Trying to copy any minion of mana cost 5 or plus with Herald Volazj is a fantasy plan. C'Thun won't live another turn after you play it.
What's the regular life span of Emperor Thaurissan? You hardly ever get a second discount, because he dies as soon as you pass turn to your opponent.
So no, this combo isn't viable. It will happen once in two hundred games. And if it happens, it means you already had a C'Thun, maybe a 12/12 or 14/14 alive from early turn, which almost always will give you the game in that very turn, or maybe the next turn. Why would you want to commit more to the board? Just to give more value to enemy AoE removal?
It most likely would summon a 1/1 which is buffed yes. It's however virutally irrelevant since if your c'tun sticks on board, you've won the game already.
I guess you've never played against a Freeze Mage.
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I imagine it would be a 1/1. I picture it working like the Shaman card Mistcaller. He buffs all minions +1/+1 regardless of where they are and such but if you make a new minion after his effect buffs them they wont get the buff since they didnt exist at the time. I assume this is the same since the new C'Thun didnt exist at teh time of the buffs so he wont get them.
Not at all sure though. Just basing it off the closest card we have so far.
The REAL question is: WHAT happens if you silence your normal 1/1s..?
Im 100% sure it stays a 1/1 since thats what it was created as. Its not created as a higher stat creature then has an effect on it reducing it to 1/1, its created as a 1/1.
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Herald Volazj summons 1/1s of copied minions but we've recieved confirmation that buffs to C'Thun work as an aura rather than being on the C'Thun itself.
My question: Does this mean that if you copy C'Thun with Herald Volazj that the 1/1 C'Thun would be buffed by the aura making it something like a 9/9 if the original is a 14/14?
That's how it should work at least but I'm just looking for confirmation.
I say new C'Thun would be a buffed one, given that even if you silence C'Thun or return to hand then play again it retains its buff, as Blizzard said.
There is a lot of steak here...
It would very clearly summon a C'Thun with base stats 1/1, plus whatever buffs you have accumulated. (So in total, it would have 5 less attack and health than the original.)
There is literally no other logical way for this to be.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
Until we see at least a twitter message from BBrode, another developer, or HS community support, we just don't know.
The card states that the copy itself is a 1/1 before being tagged as a "copy of your minion", so I believe it'll still be a 1/1. Plus, it's a copy generated from a source outside of the game, so it's not exactly the same C'Thun that's in your deck.
I could be wrong, though.
It most likely would summon a 1/1 which is buffed yes. It's however virutally irrelevant since if your c'tun sticks on board, you've won the game already.
1) They didn't explicitly state that it works like an aura, but they stated that he retains buffs after being brought back to the hand. And that implies an aura.
https://twitter.com/PlayHearthstone/status/708457371912122368
2) Good question. I just try that with an aura buff and come back with screenshots...
€: Nah, it should copy the minion without buff and receive then the same aura buffs. At least that's how it works with Stormwind champion...
€2: But C'Thun could have an unhealthy synergy with Crazed Alchemist since aura-buffs actually increase the "base"-stats in combination with him :)
Trying to copy any minion of mana cost 5 or plus with Herald Volazj is a fantasy plan. C'Thun won't live another turn after you play it.
What's the regular life span of Emperor Thaurissan? You hardly ever get a second discount, because he dies as soon as you pass turn to your opponent.
So no, this combo isn't viable. It will happen once in two hundred games. And if it happens, it means you already had a C'Thun, maybe a 12/12 or 14/14 alive from early turn, which almost always will give you the game in that very turn, or maybe the next turn. Why would you want to commit more to the board? Just to give more value to enemy AoE removal?
Greatness, at any cost.
The summoned C`thun should be like normal cthun but -5/5 in stats. Pretty unlikely to ever pull this off thought.
"Why, you never expected justice from a company, did you? They have neither a soul to lose nor a body to kick." -- Lady Saba Holland
I imagine it would be a 1/1. I picture it working like the Shaman card Mistcaller. He buffs all minions +1/+1 regardless of where they are and such but if you make a new minion after his effect buffs them they wont get the buff since they didnt exist at the time. I assume this is the same since the new C'Thun didnt exist at teh time of the buffs so he wont get them.
Not at all sure though. Just basing it off the closest card we have so far.
The REAL question is: WHAT happens if you silence your normal 1/1s..?