I'm not completely sure on this but lets say the new expansion has 135 new cards. You can get each card twice except legendaries. Let's say there are new 25 legendaries. That gives a total of 245 cards.
Since the no duplicate update, you will always get 5 cards per AoO pack that you do NOT own yet?
Doesn't this mean that you'll have the full set after 245/5= just 49 packs?
No that is not how it works. The cards are seperated by rarity, so if you have all the commons, you start getting duplicate commons while the no-duplicate rule is in effect for the other rarities
No. You don’t just start getting packs full of epics once you’ve got all the commons and rares. The card packs still have the same odds for their contents. You’ll still be getting plenty of 4 common and 1 rare packs..
And lastly, for those whale looking for a full collection, the total number of packs with the new change is as following. This time around I went a little more realistic and assumed someone getting this would use both bundles and as such have 3 free legendaries.
Average Packs required: 273.1
Average Dust per pack: 39.3
For comparison with the old totals per rarity and no- dupes it required
it seems like he made some changes to the way he calculates it, so comparing the 2 numbers is not only boiling down to the new no duplicates rule.
Having more legendaries of course impacts the amount of packs you need to get a complete set. It does not however affect the average dust per pack, so I still dont understand that part of it.
Also, these are just raw numbers, the effect of the rule should be that you do not need to craft as many epics because you don't get duplicate ones.
And lastly, for those whale looking for a full collection, the total number of packs with the new change is as following. This time around I went a little more realistic and assumed someone getting this would use both bundles and as such have 3 free legendaries.
Average Packs required: 273.1
Average Dust per pack: 39.3
For comparison with the old totals per rarity and no- dupes it required
it seems like he made some changes to the way he calculates it, so comparing the 2 numbers is not only boiling down to the new no duplicates rule.
Having more legendaries of course impacts the amount of packs you need to get a complete set. It does not however affect the average dust per pack, so I still dont understand that part of it.
Also, these are just raw numbers, the effect of the rule should be that you do not need to craft as many epics because you don't get duplicate ones.
It is literally impossible for a pack to be worth less than 40 dust, therefore the average pack can't be lower than 40.
If everyone in my family is over 6 feet tall. The average height of my family members can't be 5'10.
They could release 10,000 legendaries, it doesnt matter. The odds of opening a legendary, epic, rare, or common haven't changed.
If theres 400 legendaries, and a 1/40 chance of opening a legendary, in 400 packs, you should open an average of 10 legendaries
If theres 4 legendaries, and a 1/40 chance of opening a legendary, in 400 packs, you should open an average of 10 legendaries
The only thing that changes: you will complete each common, rare, epic and legendary set much faster. As some has also mentioned, it will be harder to open specific golden cards, because there's a much better chance you'll open 2 normal ones, and won't be able to get a golden copy until you collect all cards of that rarity. (Golden should be on a seperate algorithm)
The chances of opening specific rarity hasn't changed. Therefore the average pack dust value can't have changed.
And lastly, for those whale looking for a full collection, the total number of packs with the new change is as following. This time around I went a little more realistic and assumed someone getting this would use both bundles and as such have 3 free legendaries.
Average Packs required: 273.1
Average Dust per pack: 39.3
For comparison with the old totals per rarity and no- dupes it required
it seems like he made some changes to the way he calculates it, so comparing the 2 numbers is not only boiling down to the new no duplicates rule.
Having more legendaries of course impacts the amount of packs you need to get a complete set. It does not however affect the average dust per pack, so I still dont understand that part of it.
Also, these are just raw numbers, the effect of the rule should be that you do not need to craft as many epics because you don't get duplicate ones.
It is literally impossible for a pack to be worth less than 40 dust, therefore the average pack can't be lower than 40.
If everyone in my family is over 6 feet tall. The average height of my family members can't be 5'10.
They could release 10,000 legendaries, it doesnt matter. The odds of opening a legendary, epic, rare, or common haven't changed.
If theres 400 legendaries, and a 1/40 chance of opening a legendary, in 400 packs, you should open an average of 10 legendaries
If theres 4 legendaries, and a 1/40 chance of opening a legendary, in 400 packs, you should open an average of 10 legendaries
The only thing that changes: you will complete each common, rare, epic and legendary set much faster. As some has also mentioned, it will be harder to open specific golden cards, because there's a much better chance you'll open 2 normal ones, and won't be able to get a golden copy until you collect all cards of that rarity. (Golden should be on a seperate algorithm)
The chances of opening specific rarity hasn't changed. Therefore the average pack dust value can't have changed.
I believe that 39,3 dust average is when you only disenchant the duplicates... that might give you an average of 39.3 dust per pack when you disenchant the duplicates and keep the original cards... this is a way to calculate howmany packs you have to open to start crafting the unopened cards from a set.
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I think the average dust per pack shouldn't change at all.
I guess only the dust for extra cards is consdered. The first pack you open gives you 0 Dust, but 5 new cards. Only when you get the first Common for the third time the pack gives you 5 dust and 4 new cards.
A pack is worth 40 dust as soon as you own all Commons and all Rares twice.
there are a number of pack that you wouldn't get dust because you don't have 2 copies of those cards, so you could average less than 40 dust even though that is the minimum height of your family :D (but aren't commons worth 20 dust)
anyway i don't think those numbers are right either, because after about 20 packs you will at least be close to having all commons and rares. After that the amount of dust you get will increase to something like 100/pack average while you start to fill out the epics. (sometimes you will get 4 commons and an epic and not get dust for a card slot so the average is lower than 120 which is the dust for 4 c and 1 r )
i would estimate that first 50 packs you get 2-3 leg, 4-6 epic, all commons and rares, and about 3500-4200 dust
the dust per pack will go up dramatically when you fill out a rarity, and I wonder if it is worth it to buy out epics to get more dust per pack if you are trying to collect the set
i think at a hundred packs your close to having it all except a few legendaries you don't need anyways
its an estimate but i have masters in math so should be close barring some random fact i could miss
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I'm not completely sure on this but lets say the new expansion has 135 new cards. You can get each card twice except legendaries. Let's say there are new 25 legendaries. That gives a total of 245 cards.
Since the no duplicate update, you will always get 5 cards per AoO pack that you do NOT own yet?
Doesn't this mean that you'll have the full set after 245/5= just 49 packs?
No that is not how it works. The cards are seperated by rarity, so if you have all the commons, you start getting duplicate commons while the no-duplicate rule is in effect for the other rarities
Once you fill your collection with 2 copies of every rarity, that doesn't mean the rest of your packs will be filled with legendaries consecutively.
No. You don’t just start getting packs full of epics once you’ve got all the commons and rares. The card packs still have the same odds for their contents. You’ll still be getting plenty of 4 common and 1 rare packs..
probably more like 200+ packs
The maths are here
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And lastly, for those whale looking for a full collection, the total number of packs with the new change is as following. This time around I went a little more realistic and assumed someone getting this would use both bundles and as such have 3 free legendaries.
Average Packs required: 273.1
Average Dust per pack: 39.3
For comparison with the old totals per rarity and no- dupes it required
Average Packs required: 264.8
Average Dust per pack: 50.9
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I can't imagine that is correct, how can the average packs required & Average dust per pack could be worse after this change?
Read the source, they say it's because of the increased number of legendaries.
it seems like he made some changes to the way he calculates it, so comparing the 2 numbers is not only boiling down to the new no duplicates rule.
Having more legendaries of course impacts the amount of packs you need to get a complete set.
It does not however affect the average dust per pack, so I still dont understand that part of it.
Also, these are just raw numbers, the effect of the rule should be that you do not need to craft as many epics because you don't get duplicate ones.
That day came and i still got duplicates rare even if i dont have all rares from that set... Classic hs dev team
The update isn't live yet.
Isn't 40 dust the minimum???
I think the average dust per pack shouldn't change at all.
It is literally impossible for a pack to be worth less than 40 dust, therefore the average pack can't be lower than 40.
If everyone in my family is over 6 feet tall. The average height of my family members can't be 5'10.
They could release 10,000 legendaries, it doesnt matter. The odds of opening a legendary, epic, rare, or common haven't changed.
If theres 400 legendaries, and a 1/40 chance of opening a legendary, in 400 packs, you should open an average of 10 legendaries
If theres 4 legendaries, and a 1/40 chance of opening a legendary, in 400 packs, you should open an average of 10 legendaries
The only thing that changes: you will complete each common, rare, epic and legendary set much faster. As some has also mentioned, it will be harder to open specific golden cards, because there's a much better chance you'll open 2 normal ones, and won't be able to get a golden copy until you collect all cards of that rarity. (Golden should be on a seperate algorithm)
The chances of opening specific rarity hasn't changed. Therefore the average pack dust value can't have changed.
How? It was schedulled for 26th from 2-3 CET. So it should be over 10 hours ago!
I believe that 39,3 dust average is when you only disenchant the duplicates... that might give you an average of 39.3 dust per pack when you disenchant the duplicates and keep the original cards... this is a way to calculate howmany packs you have to open to start crafting the unopened cards from a set.
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I guess only the dust for extra cards is consdered. The first pack you open gives you 0 Dust, but 5 new cards. Only when you get the first Common for the third time the pack gives you 5 dust and 4 new cards.
A pack is worth 40 dust as soon as you own all Commons and all Rares twice.
there are a number of pack that you wouldn't get dust because you don't have 2 copies of those cards, so you could average less than 40 dust even though that is the minimum height of your family :D (but aren't commons worth 20 dust)
anyway i don't think those numbers are right either, because after about 20 packs you will at least be close to having all commons and rares. After that the amount of dust you get will increase to something like 100/pack average while you start to fill out the epics. (sometimes you will get 4 commons and an epic and not get dust for a card slot so the average is lower than 120 which is the dust for 4 c and 1 r )
i would estimate that first 50 packs you get 2-3 leg, 4-6 epic, all commons and rares, and about 3500-4200 dust
the dust per pack will go up dramatically when you fill out a rarity, and I wonder if it is worth it to buy out epics to get more dust per pack if you are trying to collect the set
i think at a hundred packs your close to having it all except a few legendaries you don't need anyways
its an estimate but i have masters in math so should be close barring some random fact i could miss
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