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Loving it, will craft it as soon as it comes out.
I've been playing Control Shaman for ages now, I would craft this card just because of the fun I'll have playing it with Baron Rivendare or Reincarnate. But I get your point. (I absolutely despise playing the Midrange version of Shaman)
The taunt aspect of the card makes it good, it only needs to fit in a deck
for people who think is card is op , i think this card is good but not op , because if that card get silent he won't back to your deck and that is the thing that make him good not op
But that's true of a lot of legendaries. Sylvanas is one of the most powerful legendaries in the game, but she can be silenced. And silence effects are not especially common in the current meta game. Is White Eyes strong enough to push more decks to run silences? Maybe, we'll see.
So the same kind of not op that Tirion Fordring is?
Silences are just not viable anymore. Most decks are so refined they cannot afford to tech in a silence (the only true exception being reno decks, which as of now are tier 3 or below). That's one of the reasons why [card]Tirion Fordring/[card] is so friggin broken - you get a TON of value for one single card that will almost never be disabled. The only decks that regularly play removal for those kind of cards are shamans themselves with their hexes. Thus, this card is broken AF.
I agree that he is good, probably great, but time will tell if he is broken. The only problem I see putting this guy into every shaman deck at the moment, is that there are too many other insane shaman cards.
However, taunt means everything. It shuts down aggressive decks and hurts control decks with weapons or if they have some hellscream/leeroy-burst finish.
Yogg-Saron, Hope's End and Kun the Forgotten King are quite different cards. As they are endgame swing card that will be dead until 10 mana; while White Eyes also have the swing potential via his deathrattle, but you can play him on turn 5 so he won't be a horrible draw the first 8 or so turns.
The argument that hardremoval hardremoves, isn't really an argument. But the thing to note is that you invest 5 mana for these hardremovals, an that isnt too bad. When you play White Eyes and he gets Hexed,it's sad, but he only got rid of your 5 mana investment. You rather have him hexing your 5 drop than your 8 drop in the long run. If they fireball White Eyes and polymorphes your The Storm Guardian later on; too bad, you lost both pieces. But your investment of 10 mana got answered by 8 mana so that isn't that bad either.
The thing is, this card isn't mean to heavily swing the game, even though it CAN do it in some scenarios. In a way it's a slower Tirion Fordring since it doesn't affect the board immediately after dying, but the fact that you can use board clears and other cards on the same turn as The Storm Guardian make it really powerful, like you said, you're probably not playing the second half of this card until way late, turn 9 or 10 at least, this allows for a board clear or a single target removal and then play a 10/10 for 5 Mana . And even if it gets removed with things like Polymorph, Shield Slam, Execute or Siphon Soul, I can guarantee you this isn't going to be the one and only big threat in the deck.
Midrange Shaman will only have this as a boost, Control Shaman will have this and many more threats, and judging by the cards in other classes as well as Shaman, after rotation it's likely there will be some more Control decks in the meta but we'll see.
Its very good, which is annoying because other classes gets conditional legendaries that aren't always that good when you consider the stars have to align for the comments heralding them as the new born sun kings! :L
This card is amazing because if you can stick it out you get tremendous value! - or you get wiped, because you built control shaman wrong!
Its 5 mana fora 5/5 with taunt, big whoop
However when it dies because your opponent trades into it rather than going face or for your turn 4 drops you shuffle in a stupidly powerful card.
Granted its "shuffle in" a stupidly powerful card, but its always a threat and your opponent becomes on edge every time you draw a card.
Control shaman is going to be insane because it will be able to handle aggro and its going to drop alot of stuff other control decks cant deal with.
Tempo mage for an example (will probably evolve into a highlander tempo hybrid) is the best case archetype for mages and they want to prolong the game, which means you'll draw the storm guardian [mages struggle against big health minions because their only wipe is via dmg or polymorph realistically ran in mage decks].
Priest and pally wont struggle but their meta is going to change so it wont matter :L.
Control warrior will probably just stagnate like it always has.
Considering some shifts in the meta realistically we'll get tempo-hybrid mage, midrange paladin, tempo-dragon-priest, aggro hunter (as always), demon lock (might return), token druid, mid-range/control/aggro shaman, control warrior (surprise).
In terms of hard removal, I think shaman has a lot of threats that you could - and should - use hard removal on. And if this pushes control shaman into the limelight, even more so, as control decks are known for a lot of large minions. So I think his card, like you have said, is maybe good, maybe very good, maybe meta-defining, only time will tell.
The best part is, none of you really know what you're talking about, and you still try and debunk each other by saying it's going to be like "this", or like "this". The cards haven't even been released yet. You have no idea what the next tier 1 deck is going to be. You can theorycraft all you want, but you're still only scratching the surface. Until all of the cards have been released and played with, anyone can say whatever they want, and you might be wrong. So keep spraying a bunch of nonsense. It's a good card. That's about it. It might see play, but it can be countered a number of ways. Most of all with aggro. Do I totem or do I White Eyes ?
But this isn't *just* a large taunt minion. A 5 mana 10/10 is insane, give you so much mana to build onto this with cards such as ancestral spirit, faceless manipulator, faceless shambler etc, which are the cards which make a deck like wall shaman have so much potential. This being a deathrattle even giving N'zoth value.
And yeah, they will use removal on a card like this, hell what do you expect same thing will happen when you play a card like tirion. In that case that's a removal down, you can only have so much.
In all its worrying because the devs have no clue what they are doing!
This set they have given all the other classes half-done support and metas and then given the leading class superb cards for the one archetype they are lacking in.
This legendary adds to that viability of its control game being superior when it has the whole meta at aggro!
Priest they gave potions, slightly altered cards already not played and an emphasis on using their usually dead hero power!
Its a meh turn 5 drop, but when its dead it just causes the enemy to have this impending doom that a giant wall will appear and if you cant deal with it you'll get a smack!
To top it off they will probably be able to add another huge threat as most of shamans stuff is highly value for mana.
So 1 meh turn for 1 turn of multi threat drops at late game when it matters :L
What is the point of ANY deckbuilding when you print cards like this? You have it - you put him in every deck, over GJ
yes I will put it in a aggro deck....
The sets Dr. 5?
I think some people just get overhyped and instantly downvote anything that contradicts their opinion. I am not saying you are correct, I think this card is most likely a staple in almost any shaman deck, maybe even an autoinclude, and I am hoping, as someone who just got a golden copy of The Mistcaller, that it will bring control shaman into the limelight.