With how absurdly late this comes into play, it seems like it'd be balanced if it shuffled a C'thun into your deck regardless of whether one had died. Especially since transformation spells destroy it right now.
It'd be a powerful late game to have multiple C'thuns, but since C'thun decks pretty much spend the game trying to get to a big late game play with a lackluster early game I think it'd be fine. Especially since a deck running this would be even slower.
I am seeing alot of people that don't understand how this card works, It only works if a C'Thun has died while on your side of the board, Meaning this card won't work if:
c) Your C'Thun was burned due to overdraw, However if your C'Thun was returned from the board to your hand with effects such as Sap, Freezing Trap and Vanish while having a full hand (10 cards) It will count as C'Thun dying and the battlecry will trigger.
now i understand what the fuck happened to me when i fought that priest, he mind controled my C'thun so the Doomcaller was unable to shuffle it into my deck...
If you already have a dead C'thun, and you steal your opponent's C'thun and use Doomcaller afterward, will the stats of the re-shuffled C'thun be from your dead C'thun or your opponent's C'thun?
So what happens if you steal both an opponent's C'thun and their Doomcaller? When you play the Doomcaller, would it put a new C'thun into your deck? (Assuming you got the stolen C'thun killed).
Some people just couldn't have understood the weight of this card. The basic idea is that although C'thun has enough power for a 'starter deck', its battlecry damage alone is not quite enough for a direct win. It can be easily seen that your chance of an easy C'thun win is dampened by enemy minions on board, whose health can be modeled. The model turns out to be that C'thun is still a little behind the competitive frontline.
So the winning strategy offered by this card Doomcaller is essentially a second C'thun shot. Blizzard has thought about it, and thus this card in every template C'thun deck. The reasoning is good, whereas the card also turns out useful. But since some mainstream removals can void the shuffle-back effort, the whold C'thun system is still not robust enough for everything.
Has anybody tried what happens when your C'Thun get stolenby Mind Control or Sylvanas, and then you kill it. Is it still 'your' C'Thun? From the interaction of N'Zoth I guess the answer is probably no, but just wondering.
So I just played against a mill rogue where my c'thun was died from my hand being too full, I played doomcaller and didn't get him back...
That's because technically, your C'Thun never died, it got milled. Same thing would happen if it was transformed (Polymorph, Hex, Recombobulator, Tinkmaster Overspark, etc) or mind-controlled.
That flavor text is Warcraft 3 all over again.
So strong card if you use it good, should be epic and not rare :)
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With how absurdly late this comes into play, it seems like it'd be balanced if it shuffled a C'thun into your deck regardless of whether one had died. Especially since transformation spells destroy it right now.
It'd be a powerful late game to have multiple C'thuns, but since C'thun decks pretty much spend the game trying to get to a big late game play with a lackluster early game I think it'd be fine. Especially since a deck running this would be even slower.
I was playing with a golden Doomcaller and when I used it the C'Thun shuffled back in to my deck was golden too. :D
I am seeing alot of people that don't understand how this card works, It only works if a C'Thun has died while on your side of the board, Meaning this card won't work if:
a) Your C'Thun being transformed with effects such as Hex, Polymorph, Polymorph: Boar or the Tinkmaster Overspark battlecry.
b) Your C'Thun was stolen by cards such as Sylvanas Windrunner' deathrattle, Mind Control, Mind Control Tech battlecry, Entomb and Cabal Shadow Priest.
c) Your C'Thun was burned due to overdraw, However if your C'Thun was returned from the board to your hand with effects such as Sap, Freezing Trap and Vanish while having a full hand (10 cards) It will count as C'Thun dying and the battlecry will trigger.
now i understand what the fuck happened to me when i fought that priest, he mind controled my C'thun so the Doomcaller was unable to shuffle it into my deck...
TY.
If you already have a dead C'thun, and you steal your opponent's C'thun and use Doomcaller afterward, will the stats of the re-shuffled C'thun be from your dead C'thun or your opponent's C'thun?
Your C'thun, C'thun stats are attached to the player and not to the card/minion.
So what happens if you steal both an opponent's C'thun and their Doomcaller? When you play the Doomcaller, would it put a new C'thun into your deck? (Assuming you got the stolen C'thun killed).
Some people just couldn't have understood the weight of this card. The basic idea is that although C'thun has enough power for a 'starter deck', its battlecry damage alone is not quite enough for a direct win. It can be easily seen that your chance of an easy C'thun win is dampened by enemy minions on board, whose health can be modeled. The model turns out to be that C'thun is still a little behind the competitive frontline.
So the winning strategy offered by this card Doomcaller is essentially a second C'thun shot. Blizzard has thought about it, and thus this card in every template C'thun deck. The reasoning is good, whereas the card also turns out useful. But since some mainstream removals can void the shuffle-back effort, the whold C'thun system is still not robust enough for everything.
Lost a few games because he didn't bring C'thun alive again... broken card anyway.
Has anybody tried what happens when your C'Thun get stolenby Mind Control or Sylvanas, and then you kill it. Is it still 'your' C'Thun? From the interaction of N'Zoth I guess the answer is probably no, but just wondering.
50% meta-defining? Then the meta is slow enought for Poisoned Blade to be good i guess
So I just played against a mill rogue where my c'thun was died from my hand being too full, I played doomcaller and didn't get him back...
I polymorphed opponents C'thun today. He still got it back with Doomcaller.
non-sense
Doomcaller only works when your c'thun is physically killed via sources like big game hunter, assasinate or anything else that like that.
Doomcaller with Brann Bronzebeard alive on board ,THE DREAM: 2 more C'Thun in deck