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I'm really glad this got nerfed.

Control shaman probably beats control warrior now by being naturally 10 turns ahead in fatigue.  This might actually give control shaman a place in the meta.  Rogue will be a bit easier to deal with and warrior can't out last them.

can we nerf warrior already please.

i can't imagine what it must be like to be so bad at the game that you play this shit so you can auto win or lose based on your queue rather than what you do.

boom is cancer

Zoolock is like tier 3 or worse, not really a strong deck.  Certainly not tier 1

It is weird that there are like a ton of zoolock decks with 60+% but a lot of that is people smashing through lower ranks with the fastest deck, a lot of that data is also probably pretty old because zoolock was doing ok when the expansion first dropped but it's fell out of the meta harder than probably any other  early meta deck.  I saw literally one single zoolock on my way to legend, it's not a deck that has much success at higher levels of play.  

I don't have hsreplay premium but i imagine if you filter by the last week at legend and 1-5 then all those zoo lists would disappear.  I wouldn't put a lot of stock into hsreplay's lists unless you have premium because with out it there are a lot of outdated lists at the top of the winrates.

Quote from beppe946 >>

 That Soup Vendor tho very ballsy lol

 yeah I have it as a one off, it's not that bad really.  all the heals in the deck are 3+ so if it draws a card it's worth it, and it's cheap enough to throw down when you play a heal thing and it has a decent amount of health.   people try really hard to kill it too, a fucking rogue hit it with his waggle pick, lol.

It's not even the weirdest/worst card i have in the deck.  i'm running a Pumpkin Peasant as a one off but i'm probably going to take that out, mostly just put it in for the lulz.  Minions that heal/have lifesteal don't give you a ton to choose from which is the biggest challenge in the deck.  Might go for a Hench-Clan Hag or two since it would curve into zilliax.

miracle mage is still kind of a tempo deck, just with explosions of tempo.

I do think it would make sense to have it as an archetype because there is an obvious difference in the way it plays compared to the traditional tempo mage.  

nah.

when a deck is a strong as tempo rogue is, you start to feel like every card is broken.  Stuff like Leeroy and Sap aren't broken but they "feel" like it when rogue is already so far ahead after slapping your shit.

It's the raiding party package that tips rogue over the edge.  raiding party draws you great tempo cards with great synergy that curves out perfectly.  Think about how good master's call made midrange hunter, now consider if you could play every one of the cards you draw over the next two turns and have them all be hugely impactful.   

if you have three quests just do one of them, lol.  it's 10 gold difference which is like 4 dust from a normal 40 dust pack. Micromanaging it on that level is excessive and if you know you can be punished in this manner then it's possibly a net loss.

It's worth it for that deck, yes.  It's important for the last push of pressure in games that last long enough to play it.  Not only do you make a board that generates 8 damage if you clear it, but you develope a 5/5 that has to be dealt with and you have four tokens to magnetize or buff.  Nobody can say for sure if mech hunter will stay a thing all year but it should remain a solid deck.  If you're super hard up on dust then you could consider waiting until the nerfs in case warrior gets deleted from the meta since countering warrior is really the thing that pushes towards the front of the pack. 

It's funny because everyone memed about the new Boom being so much better (and on a standalone basis it is), but after things have settled Flark is the one in a better deck because magnetize synergy and pushing burst is more important for mech hunter than any warrior.  

Quote from iFaisal11 >>

 This is the case, you don't need to maximize the damage, nor think hard or anything, the strategy is basic and everyone know it, but even with that fact they can't stop it, in aggro you can still make missplays and crush your opponent, the opposite for other archetypes. 

 you can make huge misplays and win as control, how can you even say that?

Quote from Narg >>

 Well arguably as control games last longer you have more decisions to make, and a better player should be able to capitalize on that by taking the right decision more often, so control decks should have a higher skill cap.

That being said, if the OP keeps losing with control against aggro, maybe there's a problem...

 Not necessarily.  When playing aggro the small decisions are very impactful and can decide the game and it takes skill and experience to recognize them.  There are some control games where you both know you're going to fatigue so you just hero power pass or throw down one card to not burn it and then the game is decided by your Archivist cards, hagatha cards, boom hero powers, Hecklebot pulls, etc.  And some control vs aggro games play themselves.  You just curve out removals and they run out of stuff.  Playing Dynomatic on 5 is a lot easier than building a board from turn one that can deal with a dynomatic on 5.

I think control warrior and shaman right now have a decent skillcap, but if you think back to odd warrior for example, many aggressive decks require much more thought than that one card per turn deck.  

You guys have just been spoiled by the stupid amount of board clears in recent times.

Take shaman. It still has both Hagatha, and Hagathas scheme. Lightning storm is still around for early on. Beakered lightening or whatever it's called as well. Shudderwock to repeat Hagathas clear. 

Mage still has it's classics in blizzard and flamestrike, as well as the powerful shooting stars and arcane explosion.

Warrior has the flexible warpath, brawl, supercolider and sulthraze, plus the best single minion clearing options.

Paladin has been hit hard, but can still use consecrate, equality/pyro/ and shrink ray.

Warlock still has clears at 1 Mana, 4 Mana, 7 Mana, and 8 Mana. It is hardly going to miss defile.

Druid never has board clear except swipe and Starfall which they always had. Rogue has the same classics in fan of knives and vanish it always had.

Priest has lost a lot of board clear no question.

In short I think people are used to playing this stupid version of hearthstone where they basically do nothing. They either hero power, play a neutral taunt, or skip their turn altogether. Eventually things start looking dangerous and they just wipe the board and start over. Around turn 8 or 9 they take their first real turn. Forget whether you like aggro or control, that's a really boring way to play.  It has also led to the crazy rize in combo decks. Combo decks should feel fun, but they feel like solitaire because all the other player is doing is wiping the board.

I think the result is going to be that the rotation forces control decks and combo decks to include another 4-6 cards aimed at survival. Maybe your goal is to win on turn 16, but you can't just skip turn one, skip turn two, drop a tar creeper turn three, armor upor heal on turn four and pass, and then wipe the board turn five. Maybe instead you have to include a few 1 and 2 drops that lower the overall value of your deck or slow your combo down, but they ensure you actually survive.

The worst example of this has been control mage. The deck has varied, but usually runs two dragons fury, blizzard, meteor, and flamestrike. That is eight extremely powerful board clears. All mage needs to do is get to turn five and aggro is basically done. So I've got 4 rounds as an aggro player, and I also have to deal with tar creeper on turn 3 and probably two pings on my minions. Almost as bad was odd warrior. The only way to give aggro decks a fighting chance was stupid stupid things like odd paladin and odd rogue.

Maybe I'll be wrong, but I've been saying for months too much aoe is killing the balance. I'm glad blizzard agrees.

Makes Nine Lives + Necromechanic  a viable combo and the mechanic actually more usefull in the future.

Quote from RailY >>

Someone actually came in here and Clicked the "Meta Defining" or "Very Good" button for this card.

There are actual human beings that ACTUALLY did that.

I don't know if that makes me scared or if it makes me feel smart.

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The real question is, how are those people capable of breathing unassisted ?

I got another one: How can someone so arrogant and needlessly hostile to people with different opinions not end up with worse problems in life than posting shit on the internet?

That's strange. They don't seem to have a deck list for Odd Paladin. It's one of my favorite decks!

This guy actually spent time to Copy a deck from either HSReplay or Zetalot and post it here for likes.

OMEGALUL. Some people are lonely 

Quote from MurocAggroB >>

Go team Magatha! Beat those Hagatha wrongies!

 oh boy....

Back when I still played Yu-Gi-Oh I was at a tourney to qualify for regionals. One of my later opponents was this 20 or 30 something year old guy (I was a teen at the time) who I ended up beating with an affordable burn deck. Unlike all of my other opponents, who engaged in the standard handshake with "Game game", this guy did not shake my hand or say "Good game". In fact, this guy was so tilted he told me "It was not a good game." and walked away.

I view most HS players as that guy just because they have this perception that is so disconnected from the rest of 'courtesy behavior' found in most other card game scenes as evidenced by the near constant assumption that giving a "Well played" means you are BMing, even when done in the correct situations during a normal game. 

Sometimes a "Well played" is just a "Well played".

Personally, I say hello at the start of every game, and say well played at the end of every game. I think it's good manners and is a show of good sportsmanship and a gratitude for friendly competition. 

The problem, methinks, is the attitude of the spoiled younger generation of today, (I'm 35, and I do know there's people my age with the same shitty attitude, but I usually suspect they are younger). People looking at the game as a way to exert power or dominance, or thinking that their opponent is their enemy in some way. But mostly, I think it spawns from the salt borne of the large amount of losses all players experience in a game like this.

When we lose, we get salty (well I do anyways), I sit here shouting at the screen "Such a lucky piece of sh*t" and suchlikes, as if in some way it reflects on my opponents character if he drew well or RnG went their way. But it's gone after a second and I don't carry it into the next game. Which I'll start with a greeting and end with a well played. 

But that's me, I think there's a large portion of the community that can't let go of that feeling and go into a match already full of disdain for their opponent. They relish the thought of the other guy being salty, as if in some way it's a universal justification or them having felt that way before. So, if things are going their way, they spam emotes and try to soak up as much of the feeling of 'being better' as they can before it's gone again.

This is why, I squelch my opponent the moment they emote something that seems unsporting, cos it does affect how I'm thinking. But it's a pity, because I do enjoy the basic dialogue you can have with an opponent. Wowing at RnG and Whoopsing at misplays. But that's the way it is, there'll always be people who are unsatisfied with how much the world hands them, and utilize whatever medium they have at their disposal to portray their bitterness. 

For sure, Hearthstone can be a frustrating game at the best f times, but it is a game after all, should be enjoyment. I truly pity those who can't experience it that way.

Aaaaanyways, I think that a "Well Played" should be given by both players at the end of every match. No matter how it went (unless of course there was purposeful BM throughout). Doesn't matter if your opponent misplayed horribly and you trashed them, it's the only way to say GG in Hearthstone (which I do think they should rectify, as Well Played can also be used to congratulate a good play ofc).

One thing I have noted, whenever I play on the American servers ( European main) is that, for the most part, when I say "Well Played" at the end of a game that I've lost, my opponent responds with a "Thank you", which kinda gets under my skin, but it's just a difference in cultural communication I'm sure.

Rant Over :-p

The irony of dropping dollar signs in the company name while complaining about a free reward for doing literally nothing at all is really astounding. Just... wow.