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I crafted a couple of legs to complete the decklist. My WR is about 50%.

I'm missing consistent card draw. DH outtempos the deck if you dont draw the needed cards.

Any ideas/ tips?

Hi all,

wouldn´t it be a good idea to reduce the price of golden cards since (expect the classic cards) they rotate out after a while.

For me, reasonable and fair dust costs would be like the following:

Common: 400 -> 100 dust

Rare: 800 -> 200 dust

Epic: 1600 -> 600 dust

Legendary: 3200 -> 2000 dust

Back in the days, I had a few all golden decks. Nowadays the circles are too short and the amount of dust aquired is astronomous in regard for the stylish 'value' you get from it.

Therefore you have to adapt the disenchanting value, too. I guess they would find a way.

These are just my thoughts. Let me know your opinon on this matter.

Regards

Demon Hunter is already complete shit in arena looking at the win rates, and now a 3rd round of nerfs? Guess they could have just not released DH yet and try to put more work and time into before dishing it out. 

Also I don't get why people are still complaining about DH, testing the class atm and trying out the best versions, but it outright loses to Warriors, 0% chance and has trouble against Rogues, because Rogues always have Backstab, lackey creators, etc and just outtempo and outvalue you.

Tho I gotta say my draws are 90% awful after around 35 games. Only had the 4 drop into 5 mana priestess a couple of times and my hand is mostly clogged up. EDIT: It's amazing how nearly every DH i met had 4 drop into 5 mana priestess, i need to learn this power. Well, not anymore, it's already nerf day after all.

For me the REALLY awful and disgusting playing experience, regardless of the deck I'm playing, is Rogue. Seriously, endless lackeys pulling out random shit out of their ass. This is such a clownfiesta every game, you just feel like watching a series about slow murder.

Patch 17.3 - Demon Hunter removed

you can't really compare Al'ar and Pheonix outside them having similar effects. In magic, the defender dictates the trades and so the opponent can choose whether or not to trade the Pheonix and even when it is traded the second half requires an instant spell (or another effect) to deal with it. Moreover, Al'ar doesn't even have any sort of evasion, unlike Pheonix's flying. Once you play Al'ar the opponent has full control on whether to deal with it or not. Al'ar will pretty much always be an underwhelming card and not a card you'd want to willingly put in your deck. 

Albatross destroys Pure Spell Mage, Pure Paladin and every Highlander Deck and vs any other deck it’s still good. That’s too much for a tech card. It definitely needs a nerf! 

In a Sacrificial Pact world. . .

Demon Hunter vs Druid, Mage, Rogue, Paladin, Priest, Shaman, Warrior, Hunter, DH - winrate between strong and ridiculous, no problem

Demon Hunter vs Warlock - ooo, that gets tricky, but it's still winnable.

Warlock vs Druid, Mage, Rogue, Paladin, Priest, Shaman, Warrior, Hunter, Warlock - matchups same as previous, have rarely used Sac Pact, might skip it.

Warlock vs Demon Hunter - Great card!

OBVIOUSLY  the card is just too massively dominant, so unfair. Truth is, if the initial design for Demon Hunters had at least been semi-balanced, we'd all still probably have forgotten that Sacrificial Pact existed. 

No, Sac pact is not a niche card.

Even before DH was released, I was running into Galakrond Zoo who had Sac pact in their deck and used it for healing.

It should totally be limited to friendly demons.

I know the meta hasn't fully settled yet, but as a DH player (currently 125 ranked wins, around 2k legend rank in EU), there are a couple more nerfs that I think would make the meta a bit more stable:

Battlefiend to 1 attack, with his base stats and his effect, this is just a too good 1-drop not to play. Lowering his attack by 1 still makes him good, but not an auto-include.

Glaivebound Adept to 6 attack, his effect is already pretty strong so his stats could be weakened. By lowering his attack he is still very much playable, but deals a bit less damage if you can't remove it.

Priestess of Fury to 6 health. This minion is just too good. A mini-Ragnaros that can also attack and with his high health is also quite hard to remove. Making it easier to remove will make it a bit more fair while still keeping her good.

Skull of Gul'dan to 7 mana. This card is still bonkers at 6 and a auto-include in every different DH deck, 7 mana feels more fair, certainly compared to other cards which have a similar effect. (Sprint, Nourish)

Sacrificial Pact to only be able to target friendly demons. This card is just totally unfair. Classes should just be balanced and not rely on a card to cheat mana and health so you can win. This also nerfs Zephrys a little and makes Jaraxxus a little more playable, which I personally like.

While the Sacrificial Pact nerf might make the card unplayable (or just; made as intended I think), I don't think any of the cards are otherwise unplayable, but I do think this would be healthy to the meta. Seeing so many DH and anti-DH decks isn't how a meta should be. Every class should be balanced and I feel that DH isn't balanced yet. Maybe the underperforming classes can get more room to shine this way.

Lady Vashj is by far the weakness designed prime card of ashes of outland. There is many reasons why this is the case:

1: Weakness stats for a prime when it comes back

Every other prime comes back either with the same stats or better. However, Lady Vashj comes back as a 7 mana 5/4 which is really weak compared to her effect. Look at Kargath Bladefist as an example who comes back as a 8 mana 10/10 with rush which can gain you 10 extra life. The theme with most of the primes are they come back with good effects and reasonable stats and Vashj Prime is the only one who comes back much weaker than its original form in compassion to its effect.  

2: Only Prime which relies on other cards being in your deck

Look at Kargath Bladefist, Akama, Murgur Murgurgle, Reliquary of Souls etc. They all come back with a strong body and the cards make a threat on the board regardless of what you have left in your deck. Either thats a huge rush card, summoning murlocs or being always Stealth preparing to hit your in the face. However, you have to relie on what spells you have left to make Vashj Prime actually good. If you draw it too late or its dies too late then you will just automatically just have a useless prime. 

3: Support cards that were printed are awkward and dont actually support the archetype 

Spell Shaman feels like a much weaker elemental shaman, trying to desperately keep the chain of spells going. Apart from Shattered Rumbler [/card] which i think it good enough to fit into decks running certain spells, a spell shaman with [card]Torrent and Marshspawn feel really weak and difficult to pull off. The whole deck relies really on the weapon The Fist of Ra-den more than the other two cards to make spell shaman good and Vashj Prime has zero synergy with the deck as why do you want to make your spells cheaper? you rather keep expensive spells late game in hopes of getting bigger legendaries of the weapon.  

4: Spell Shaman has no win condition and Lady Vashj makes the deck weaker

Lady Vashj is a good minion as a 4/3 with spell damage, however Vashj Prime is almost the reason you dont want to put Lady Vashj in your deck. it cant fit into a normal shaman as it needs to really fit into a deck with enough spells to justify running it and that deck currently has no win condition.  Vashj Prime is not a win condition and barely a support card. Unlike all the other primes being good in decks that already exist or have been made, Lady Vashj is out of place.