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The effect of this card is good but it costs 1 mana too much. That said, if this card was only 1 Mana this would be ridiculous because there would be very few cards that could reasonable contest this going from T1 into T2. Waraxe, Spells and N'zoths mate pulling Patches. This would be the ultimate stalling minion for the first few turns because Freeze is such a powerful effect. So unfortunately it suffer from too high of a cost right now. Rip a controlling 1 Mana drop in mage.
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With going first being an advantage nobody would ever want to go second unless their deck could make use of the coin in some way (as mentioned before in thread) but then your opponent even has to be so "stupid" as to give your deck that fringe advantage of the coin. It's basically a choice that is no choice at all and only there for the peace of mind of some. It's pretty much just the illusion of choice.
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There are a few problems I see with this quest.
One big problem is that unlike pretty much all other TCGs Hearthstone doesn't have a graveyard mechanic. Discarded cards are eternally lost to the ether, unlike Yugioh, Magic, Gwent... where destroyed or discarded cards are still inside the games system to be accessed and interacted with by certain cards. One could argue that resurrect effects do that (Bishop, resurrect, Kazakus potion) but that is only very rudimentary. So if there was more to discarding cards instead of eternally voiding them for the rest of the game the mechanic might be better.
The second problem is the lack of Discard synergy. Malchezaar's Imp, Silverware Golem, Clutchmother, Fist of Jaraxxus[in wild] and Dinomancer. The Mancer doesn't fit the same deck the other four cards fit into. Imp, Silverware, Clutchmother and Fist are all tempo cards. If your discarded card replace themself with Imp, if your Clutchmother becomes a high statted minion for low cost and keeps replacing itself and the Golem and Fist having a board impact (thus not losing out on their value) obviously means you want to play a fast game but the Quest itself suggests playing a slower value oriented game. On the other end Dinomancer wants you to discard high value minions to be revived by their deathrattle instead of the weenies you would largely put into a tempo oriented deck.
This pretty much means that none of the discard cards synergize with what the quest is trying to do. When the quest lacks the card to support its build it's doomed to fail.
Lastly the cost/value proposition is heavily skewed towards the cost side instead of the value side. In essence the quest costs 6 Mana and 6 Cards. If we price a single card based on the warlock heropower as 2 mana and 2 health and a 2 health restore would be somewhere in the range of 0.5 points of mana then we'd roughly get a card being equivalent to 2.5 points of mana (of course this is an overly simplistic way of looking at it). So the quest costs roughly 21 points of mana and then spits out two 3/2s which are valued at 2 mana so you'd need at least 5 proccs of the portal for the quest to be somewhat worth it. This is in stark contrast to all other quests where you naturally work towards the goal of completing it.
For example a Priest will get the value of all the deathrattle minions he plays. They are minions put on the board which then advance his quest. The quest doesn't simply end up consuming the minion and turns it into nothing for it to gain a counter. A warlock will only in very select cases get any additional value from the cards he is discarding.
Sure there is the argument that those discarded cards are put forth in value towards the discard minions but the Quest is geared towards a longer game and in long games you want to have more resources available which means discarding those resources isn't good. Especially since the Quest wants you to discard 1/5th of your deck.
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Leaving all considerations of that quest being pretty much impossible to complete.
This is horrible design. Basically your response to losing to quest decks is to create a card that essentially spells "If you play a Quest you lose the game."
There are some hatecards which are tolerable although still inelegant design such as hungry crab and golakka crawler but they do not invalidate the entire strategy a deck is built upon. They give a considerable advantage but are not auto-lose/instant-win buttons.
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