Quote from chottomatte >>Imagine this is supposed to be an intuitive phone game, yet Blizzard in the pursuit of monetization has made it a cluster fuck.
I understand the system, but that's because I've been playing for a while, and read up on it. Imagine someone playing now, from scratch.
A part of the problem comes from the very old greedy decision to make non-DEable legendary cards, and not making it graphically obvious. The Basic set having no rarity dot was actually quite easy to get used to.
With the introduction of the non DEable Core set, the mess is now complete.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbkYtUwbGcc
:P
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I decided to brush up what is probably my all time favorite deck, Waygate OTK Anto mage, for Wild. Added some new-old cards like Mad Scientist and so on to improve it slightly but found few cards that really fit the purpose better than what was there in Un'Goro. I was happy with that I made.
Roll the dice, first match Warlock. Seemed like a slow start for him, literally no pressure on me. I feel it will take a miracle for him to win this.
Tickatus.
Mill Anto.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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@RMD01 and now that you provide sauce I agree ;) It sucks that they are being so cheap though it is not THAT much dust and only for old players and those who play all classes to boot. A worthwhile reward, and ofc the flipside is you lose those fancy Goldens for the dust which some might not want to do.
Anyway guess I might still level a bit to get a few specific Golden Basics for my collection in case they are not available again after the change. Thanks for the reply this settles the question.
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Yeah Discover, infinite value generation and so on are very tiresome. I used to be a player heavily into control and value and absolutely despising aggro decks to now finding myself increasingly preferring aggro decks just to avoid the tedium of infinite value.
It would be nice if Blizz did an experiment to greatly reduce RNG and infinite value. They can't do it this year and probably not the next either but if they wanted to in two years they could make it so no new Discover cards were added or heavily limited ones only. Coupled with general reduction in RNG and value generation, RNG being only very limited in range, to make a far more consistent game.
I for one would love to see that.
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Yeah they kind of went after Charge minions a bit too hard, I also support splitting the new versions of the cards and old ones apart. Make a new Rush Beast and a Rush Murloc and send the OGs to Wild to be with their long lost friends :P
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WTF are you even on about? No one wants to take anything from you, in fact my proposal gives to you as much as anyone else. You would be able to get all the goodies you have now for less money. So why complain? Well the only logical reason I can think of is that you emphatically don't like the idea of other players catching up, even partly, and enjoying the game. You like your paid edge and fuck other players. That is exactly it, why else would you care? You would be happy that you would need to spend a lot less money for the same bang and happy other players get more. But no, you just want to lord over the peasants. You are an awful person.
And trying to imply I am a communist? Ridiculous, you don't know my politics. Though to give you a hint if the consoomer meme didn't. I am far from a typical lefty. Just because I don't want to be taken for a ride doesn't mean I believe everything should be free. I outlined what I think and it surely isn't "you get everything for free." In fact it requires playing almost religiously just to get half a collection per expansion. There is still an incentive to spend, just less. This game costs way more than a AAA title, and did so for most paying players before it left Classic stage. It costs more than CK2 with all DLC which is something like 300$ and widely lampooned as excessive and yet many players spent as much before GvG was over and how many expansions did we have after that? This is not normal or okay. We should call this shit out rather than accept it like chumps.
And why do we call it out? Not because of any revolutionary zeal I can say that much. We think the game has potential and we enjoy it. Or used to at least. Nor are we saying just make everything free as a charity case. In fact I am sure that adopting my reforms would lead to more money as more people would play and be willing to pay. In addition to making things more fun and available for more people. You meanwhile seemingly just want to flex how you can afford hundreds of packs. It is not even a question of money, I am sure most of us here payed at some point, myself included. It is about not being anybody's fool.
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Hey, first of thanks for the help. And don't sweat it if your meta knowledge is not perfect, mine is about zero so you definitely can teach me a lot. ;)
I was unable to read your deck to my shame, ended up stuck in loading when I tried. But I found the Reno deck I was given:
https://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/1334288-renos-riches-free-deck-for-new-returning-players
Also I looked at legs I have opened from free packs so far. I have Ivory, Sathrovarr, Y'sharaj, Maiev and the free ones everyone got. And if you need to link me to an outside website you think is not kosher here for whatever reason feel free to PM it to me.
PS. Do you (or anyone, all questions are FFA :P ) know why there are more bonus stars at same rank in Wild ladder? My guess is fewer people and the stars use to spread them around the ranks quicker.
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Aww, aren't you a proud consoomer. I am sure Blizz will milk you again soon for being such a good boy.
Or you can get off your high horse and act like an adult, either or. We are not complaining because we are poor peasants who can't put money into the game. I have while I still believed in it and would again if the game improved. Helping people keep up with the expansions without spending outrageous amounts of money would be a good step. So was duplicate protection if it works how I think it works (recently came back to the game so not sure). What would really secure me as a paying customer again would be dismantling Standard format. By that I mean ending power creep and making fun and fresh cards which are nonetheless balanced to fit with the totality of HS cards, or close to it. That was the straight and narrow but correct move. Predictably Blizz went for the easy and greedy option of Standard and giving your cards an effective 2y lifecycle. I know my last request is unlikely to happen but might as well speak my mind, if I don't no chance of it becoming a thing.
What we need is at least a doubling of dust value. The way I would do it is to simplify the whole system, which helps new players learn too. Each rarity level should require to disenchant two cards of the same rarity to craft the card of that rarity level you want. So two legends to make a legend, two rares to make a rare, etc. Golden cards always cost double of what a normal card does and also DE for half the cost to make them (this is mostly true already). This should roughly double the value of our dust. You can further play with the odds of gaining the higher rarities from packs to adjust this perfectly.
The final goal should be to have players who spent almost the whole season playing, doing all of their quests and putting in 1-3hrs a day gain virtually all commons and rares. As well as about half of the epics and legends, including a healthy majority of the "good" ones (since those are the ones you will be spending dust crafting). People who pay 20-40$ worth of money per expansion should have the vast majority of all cards period. And whales like you should be able to afford all goldens pretty much by spending 100ish dollars each expansion.
That is fair and reasonable, 20-40$ every few months is pricey but comparable to DLC and many people will be happy to pay it to have access to pretty much all the cards to make whatever deck they want. Whales aren't skinned alive for their shineys though they still pay well. And most importantly F2Ps will be able to craft most (though not all, so incentive exists to pay) meta decks they want and enjoy the game. Stuck up as you are because you help pay the way it is still F2Ps who make the soul of the game. Without them the queues would be terrible, matchups stale and cookie-cutter at all rank levels and our community much poorer. And God damn if we can let as many people enjoy as possible shouldn't we? It is also good for everyone. Better progression means more F2Ps come and more stay, which means more engagement and enjoyment for paying customers. Happy people spend more money. As I said many of us feel betrayed and used as cash cows and we just won't do it, improve the situation improve the cash flow. Blizzard pretty much only cares about money so they are happy too. The only people who would be unhappy are those who want to see poorer players suffer and scrape for leftovers just because they enjoy seeing it which despite being clearly disgusted by your attitude I hope you are not.
But hey that is just how I would help fix up the game, hope others agree too though ;)
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I am an old player back for some HS after years of being AFK. I stopped playing actively just before Frozen Throne hit. So now my Standard collection is pretty much a (nearly full) classic set and a Blizz made Reno's Riches mage deck I was given for free when I showed up some months ago plus about 15k in loose dust as well as about 1200g.
I need your help to figure out how to really get back into the game.
What I am looking for is the following deck advice. How best to improve my Reno mage without investing heavily into Y.O.T. Dragon cards which will be leaving soon. Any other class that has a good singleton deck I could make without investing too much? I know such decks are often expensive but with some budget replacements to expensive but not critical Dragon cards I could reach platinum which is my rough goal. Any other cheap decks, both control and combo but mostly aggro/tempo you would recommend? I need to rank up fast and cheap after all.
I am thinking of buying about 6-8 Phoenix packs to get some commons and rares going so I don't have to craft them all. I know best value would be to wait for Barrens packs but I think getting a few packs from each of the newest expansions will go a long way towards giving me more options at low cost. As for what I will craft, that depends on you guys ;)
Any and all help welcome.
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Like supposedly everyone is getting a full classic set for free. Does this mean those of us who already have a full set can just DE it all and have our collection replenished by the change? If not then does it mean a guy who starts playing a day before the change won't get a full collection for free but a guy who starts the day after will. Would suck to be the former guy then :P
Also the cards we will get with Core set, are they ours to keep? If so I could DE my copies of the only (so far) known Core card, Shadowform, and get it back for free. Or maybe they will disappear at the end of the year leaving us with only the cards we had to begin with.
It is rather confusing, but potentially that is a lot of dust. Though I am probably misunderstanding it :D
PS. Ideally provide sources along with your claims so I can verify them.