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I HAVE... updated the clarifications.

Clarifications:

- You can never have more than one "Shadow Reflection" at the same time in your hand. (No Hoarding!)

- When you used a "Shadow Reflection" for that turn, you will get another one on the next turn.

- Shadow Reflection leaves your hand at the end of your turn, so it only works on 5-mana cards or less.

- Effects that invoke Mana Cost reduction will not be copied by Shadow Reflection.
(Like Emperor Thaurissan ticks, Preparation, Shadowstep.)

Arcane Giant works because it's mana cost is reduced on the card text.

- Remember how Stealth works! If you wish to attack, do attack BEFORE using this Hero card.

 This makes the card just plain bad, I'm sorry but there is almost no 5 mana or lower cost cards that you can use every turn that win you the game in less than 3 turns, which you will need to win by IF you even made it to turn 9...

 

 Giants, Evis and VC will be the main targets to use. It's basically a repeating mimic pod which keeps changing.

Think about it, you can play a bunch of cards, play VC, this card becomes VC, and then you play it. 2x VC, whichif you combine with cheap spells would be quite a turn.

 You dont have infinite mana

 

Playing 2 VC is 6 mana already...which means you only have 4 mana to spend on buffs. Not only that but you have to GET to 9 mana turn as a rogue to begin with.

 

And after you pull this little stunt if you manage to do so...you now have no hand and all your foe needs is a board clear to essentially dig your grave.

 4 mana is a lot for rogues, you've got coins, prep backstabs etc etc. you can make two very sizeable minions. Obviously if you're going for a big VC x2 turn, just as when you play 2 x arcane Giants you have to judge the opponent's removal ability, but you do that anyway.

 

 

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I HAVE... updated the clarifications.

Clarifications:

- You can never have more than one "Shadow Reflection" at the same time in your hand. (No Hoarding!)

- When you used a "Shadow Reflection" for that turn, you will get another one on the next turn.

- Shadow Reflection leaves your hand at the end of your turn, so it only works on 5-mana cards or less.

- Effects that invoke Mana Cost reduction will not be copied by Shadow Reflection.
(Like Emperor Thaurissan ticks, Preparation, Shadowstep.)

Arcane Giant works because it's mana cost is reduced on the card text.

- Remember how Stealth works! If you wish to attack, do attack BEFORE using this Hero card.

 This makes the card just plain bad, I'm sorry but there is almost no 5 mana or lower cost cards that you can use every turn that win you the game in less than 3 turns, which you will need to win by IF you even made it to turn 9...

 

 Giants, Evis and VC will be the main targets to use. It's basically a repeating mimic pod which keeps changing.

Think about it, you can play a bunch of cards, play VC, this card becomes VC, and then you play it. 2x VC, whichif you combine with cheap spells would be quite a turn.

I think it has a few main issues going for it.....

1) Its 9 mana...rogues typically dont do well in the late game, they have no heals to get them there

2) It only works on cards that are less than 5 mana...so you are limiting your deck space and losing a lot of cards you would want to copy

3) You are pretty much forced to play it during your turn or you wasted your hero power. If you dont play the card this is basically a "9 mana gain 5 armor and soft ice block"

It is unique for sure but.....I am not sure forcing you to play double of cards in order to gain benefit is going to be good.

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Wow,  that is openly terrible.  

Viva la clown fiesta!

Edit: On reflection this is playable as it let's you re-roll bad cards in a burgle deck. Still not good though as it will often replace good spells with junk. 

 Then............don't play it when your hand has good spells?  Come on man, this is really easy if you just think.  That's like calling Flamestrike a bad card because it does nothing on an empty board and is too slow.

 If you constructed your deck with good spells...then a situation where you have bad spells in your hand shouldnt happen often. 

 Rogue has really good situational spells.  Dude serious do you know about these cards???  Maybe you're new to HS?

• Preparation
• Backstab
• Counterfeit Coin
• Fan of Knives
• Eviscerate
• Cold Blood

These are all decent in the right spot at the right time.  But if it's not the right time (like when you have double Prep and Coin), then fuck yeah I'd rather have other spells, especially when you can follow it up with Ethereal Peddler.

Think, people.  It's not hard. 

edit: Not to mention the spells generated from other cards, like Razor Petal and the toxins from Xaril.  

 I would rather hold onto those cards as combo starters or auctioneer fodder than trade them in for likely shield slams and beastial wraths

 

Rogue is usually all about holding their spells until they can pull off a good string of combos. So no people are not going to want to trade in spells that they put in their deck TO MAKE THEIR DECK WORK for a crap shoot. 

 

Also with ungoro and quests each class has another piece of useless fodder you can pull. You play voss against a warlock and get the discard quest....gratz you now how at least 1 dead card not to mention the other dead cards you probably pulled.

 

As someone else said the situations where you would WANT to play Voss are so small compared to the situations you would NOT want to play her. 

 

If she generated the cards without replacing your own spells that would be something, but requiring you to ditch your spells for a roll of the dice is too much.

 Source: This guy played Rogue once in casual. 

Rogue doesn't want to hold on to his spells to save for a single turn.  Rogue uses high tempo combo cards to maintain board presence and put pressure on.  In case you forgot, Gadgetzan is a neutral card, not a Rogue card.  In what world do you play Hearthstone where you can afford to hold on to a bunch of spells in the early game while not developing the board?  

 You do realize you just made my point?

This card is only good when you hoard useless spells....if you are hoarding useless spells then you have already lost because your foe is just eating your face.

Not to mention this card only works on spells you draw. So if shaku or swash  etc. dont draw you spells this becomes less worth while.

And if you are in a position where you are gambling on the spells that you specifically put in your deck then you have already lost as well.

Not to mention if you have even one spell you want to keep in your hand, this card becomes a detriment instead of a benefit.

All it comes down to is the cases where you would want to play this card are so small compared to the cases where you would not want to play it.

 

 "4 mana 4/5 Battlecry: You can only play this card when you have AT LEAST 4 useless spells in your hand.  Replace spells (only ones you drew) with complete trash from your opponent's class."

I must have read the card wrong.  Sorry. 

 

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 With shield slam and beastial wrath?

 

 With Shield Block + Shield Slam. :D

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I realy hope Auctioneer is moved into hall of fame this time, also as Jade druid nerf.

If Rogue gets tools for control, this would be a nice card as vs control backstab,prep are useless and its nice to be able to replace them.

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Why would i ever replace Eviscerates in my hand with Shield Slam?

 Why would you ever play this card with Eviscerate in your hand? Quite the opposite, you will play it when you have Shield Slam.

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Wow,  that is openly terrible.  

Viva la clown fiesta!

Edit: On reflection this is playable as it let's you re-roll bad cards in a burgle deck. Still not good though as it will often replace good spells with junk. 

 Then............don't play it when your hand has good spells?  Come on man, this is really easy if you just think.  That's like calling Flamestrike a bad card because it does nothing on an empty board and is too slow.

 If you constructed your deck with good spells...then a situation where you have bad spells in your hand shouldnt happen often. 

 Rogue has really good situational spells.  Dude serious do you know about these cards???  Maybe you're new to HS?

• Preparation
• Backstab
• Counterfeit Coin
• Fan of Knives
• Eviscerate
• Cold Blood

These are all decent in the right spot at the right time.  But if it's not the right time (like when you have double Prep and Coin), then fuck yeah I'd rather have other spells, especially when you can follow it up with Ethereal Peddler.

Think, people.  It's not hard. 

edit: Not to mention the spells generated from other cards, like Razor Petal and the toxins from Xaril.  

 I would rather hold onto those cards as combo starters or auctioneer fodder than trade them in for likely shield slams and beastial wraths

 

Rogue is usually all about holding their spells until they can pull off a good string of combos. So no people are not going to want to trade in spells that they put in their deck TO MAKE THEIR DECK WORK for a crap shoot. 

 

Also with ungoro and quests each class has another piece of useless fodder you can pull. You play voss against a warlock and get the discard quest....gratz you now how at least 1 dead card not to mention the other dead cards you probably pulled.

 

As someone else said the situations where you would WANT to play Voss are so small compared to the situations you would NOT want to play her. 

 

If she generated the cards without replacing your own spells that would be something, but requiring you to ditch your spells for a roll of the dice is too much.

 Source: This guy played Rogue once in casual. 

Rogue doesn't want to hold on to his spells to save for a single turn.  Rogue uses high tempo combo cards to maintain board presence and put pressure on.  In case you forgot, Gadgetzan is a neutral card, not a Rogue card.  In what world do you play Hearthstone where you can afford to hold on to a bunch of spells in the early game while not developing the board?  

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Wow,  that is openly terrible.  

Viva la clown fiesta!

Edit: On reflection this is playable as it let's you re-roll bad cards in a burgle deck. Still not good though as it will often replace good spells with junk. 

 Then............don't play it when your hand has good spells?  Come on man, this is really easy if you just think.  That's like calling Flamestrike a bad card because it does nothing on an empty board and is too slow.

 If you constructed your deck with good spells...then a situation where you have bad spells in your hand shouldnt happen often. 

 Rogue has really good situational spells.  Dude serious do you know about these cards???  Maybe you're new to HS?

• Preparation
• Backstab
• Counterfeit Coin
• Fan of Knives
• Eviscerate
• Cold Blood

These are all decent in the right spot at the right time.  But if it's not the right time (like when you have double Prep and Coin), then fuck yeah I'd rather have other spells, especially when you can follow it up with Ethereal Peddler.

Think, people.  It's not hard. 

edit: Not to mention the spells generated from other cards, like Razor Petal and the toxins from Xaril.  

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Wow,  that is openly terrible.  

Viva la clown fiesta!

Edit: On reflection this is playable as it let's you re-roll bad cards in a burgle deck. Still not good though as it will often replace good spells with junk. 

 Then............don't play it when your hand has good spells?  Come on man, this is really easy if you just think.  That's like calling Flamestrike a bad card because it does nothing on an empty board and is too slow.

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Fİnally a 4-drop for rogue, you all have the hand when you don't have auctioneer in hand and 2 preps 3 coins 2 coldbloods it is another nice card

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I like it, a lot actually. It is a solid minion with a fun-type effect. Works really well with Ethereal Peddler which is also more of a fun card with really good stats. They could easily have made this a 4/4 or 3/5 and it could never see play. Now it could from its stats alone.

Fits well in any Burgle deck, or any deck where you generate spells that could potentially become useless in some scenarios. Flower rogue seems like a good pick. This gives you a chance to re-roll burgles and cards that fit specific situations that you currently do not want. I'm not thinking it's an auto include in any deck, but it's a fun thing to experiment with that doesn't punish you a lot if it doesn't find use due to Yeti stats.

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I suppose if you need a hail mary 'fuck it, let's hope for a Fireball' card, you can use this. Burgle Rogue will definitely run this... if Burgle Rogue ever becomes a good deck, that is.

 Actually, this is a pretty strong contender to push Burgle Rogue over the top.

Notice that it doesn't specify that it replaces Rogue spells; she basically re-rolls your Shatter, Totemic Might, and similar rolls.

 So I am expected to put a card in to give me another bad shot at getting a decent spell just in case my first 2/3 cards didnt?

Yea no thanks...for a legendary having an effect akin to "Gives you another roll on bad swashburgler pulls" isnt that exciting or fun...or playable

 

 It's a legendary that does exactly what the deck that would run it would want it to do. The fact that you can curve it into Ethereal Peddler is just gravy after spending the first three turns burgling spells.

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Alot of people hating on this card because it ruins auctioneer plays. Blizzard stated that auctioneer is one of the top cards they are considering to add to the "hall of fame" and I wouldn't be surprised if they did. Not sure if they are planning on doing that when the expansion hits, or the next rotation cycle, but if it does, I think this card might make a really good replacement or create new decks for rogue.

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Not sure what to think of this card. I don't play Rogue, but I would assume her spells are important to her. But I like the the legendary fits with her archetype. Seems like a pretty good card.