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@kinkijohnfowler:

I registered just to thank you to be a champion of reason and repeatedly attempt to reason with conspiracists and flat out put the whole thing to rest. I’ve been lurking for a while and couldn’t understand why anyone wasn’t slapping off the tin foil hat and reasonably explain how things work. I doubt he will ever post his replays. As you’ve said that’s something he’s been avoiding for good reason. Once that’s out, the show is over.

Re: why people are hostile against conspiracy theories? It’s not the theories themselves, it’s stupidity in general. People react adversely to stupid things. I mean, considering how many people work and have worked at Blizzard wouldn’t something as big as every game is rigged have leaked by now? Blizzard isn’t the Pentagon last I checked. 

 So John registered a second account to jerk himself off in front of everyone. How cute. 

 Exactly. Lol so let me get this straight.... we are supposed to believe someone was lurking this particular board for an indiscriminate amount of time san account...lol (wipes tears of laughter...) only to sign up and create an account just to congratulate a random poster that they agree with about a particular conspiracy that they happen to support...LOL 

And the kicker...claims that this user has put a well established and admitted fact that Blizzard manipulates game outcomes whethed via MMR, RNG, Deck matches, discover or other means "to rest"???

Blizzard has stated this as their goal themselves - so regardless of how they actually accomplish this - they are clearly manipulating Hearthstone game outcomes. 

GTFO of here with your fake accounts!

You probably got the same warning I did. We aren't allowed to talk about what Blizzard actually puts into print about their own game or the true believers might stop spending real money. So no more telling kids that Santa isn't real. Telling players to go kill themselves and threatening sexual assault on players is completely fine. Just don't pull back the curtain or you'll be banned. 

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Bg’s is so fucking bad. I couldn’t imagine a more predictable game. Infinite 5th place. I know exactly when Bli$$ard says it’s time to lose. My opp has one unit left which is ghastcoiler. Hm yup I’m getting knocked out. What’s it bringing out? Well a pirate ship of course. And what does that then spawn? Well only all lv 6 pirates of course. Never fails with this fucking game or this fucking company. Wake up people

 Yes its very obviously rigged. God damnit it pisses me off. You can tell when the game has decided you have reached your MMR ceiling. You get bad rolls, terrible fights and you cant catch a break. You can also tell when the game refuses to let you play against the ghost twice or even more in a single game despite being down. 

It is a disgusting game. You have avoid the MMR ceilings and keep conceding games until you get enjoyable ones. 

 Why? Why would they rig the game mode that has absolutely no rewards?

There should be pros and cons to rig it.

Cons: They would lose a huge amount of the playerbase if it could be confirmed. It would also take time and resources from actual development to rig it.

Pros: ???

But I guess its easier to say that the game is rigged instead of blaming anything else, like your skill or actual bad luck instead of thinking why would they rig it and whats the cost to rig it (I mean both doing it and the cost of maybe losing a lot of players).

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https://kotaku.com/activision-patents-matchmaking-that-encourages-players-1819630937

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@kinkijohnfowler:

I registered just to thank you to be a champion of reason and repeatedly attempt to reason with conspiracists and flat out put the whole thing to rest. I’ve been lurking for a while and couldn’t understand why anyone wasn’t slapping off the tin foil hat and reasonably explain how things work. I doubt he will ever post his replays. As you’ve said that’s something he’s been avoiding for good reason. Once that’s out, the show is over.

Re: why people are hostile against conspiracy theories? It’s not the theories themselves, it’s stupidity in general. People react adversely to stupid things. I mean, considering how many people work and have worked at Blizzard wouldn’t something as big as every game is rigged have leaked by now? Blizzard isn’t the Pentagon last I checked. 

 So John registered a second account to jerk himself off in front of everyone. How cute. 

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As you clearly lack the mental capacity to engage in an adult conversation I cannot imagine what I'm about to say will have that much of an effect on you. Your failure to understand basic concepts, your awful attempts at being ‘funny’, and your bewildering hypocrisy are just too much. Sorry. In any case this post isn’t for ‘you’, it’s directed at you, but it is intended to be read by those with an IQ higher than that of a rabbit. This may be too long for you, you may not ‘give a shit about me’ and in turn pretend not to read it, but that’s fine. This is an open forum... Am I being condescending enough for you? (That question was rhetorical [google it]; I’ll rise back up from your level now).

If it really helps you enjoy the game to hang on to the idea that Blizzard is only out to create a 100% fair and random game for your entertainment then again I say more power to you. 

You aren't arguing against things I'm actually saying here, your creating in your head what you want me to believe and then arguing against that. For what reason I have no idea.

I actually believe Blizzard are 100% out to make as much money as they can. They just don't need to rig the game in order to do that.

It was adorable how you keep referring to ZTG as if the card was a real person. I said the card reads the board and selects the best card and somehow you took that off on an algorithm tangent. 

Your claim was an attempt to use ZTG as an example of how the foundations for the algorithm are already apparent to us all. However the actual algorithm would be nowhere close to ZTG, so what you said made no sense. You were gloating about arguments you've apparently had with other people in the past, it was really weird. And referring to something as he/she doesn't indicate that it is a real person, infact this is generally how we refer to and speak about AI - I know you're just trying to be cute here but it isn't helping your case.

I like how you interpret Lifecoach's interview to meet your fantasies. Kind of glossed over the "low skill cap" and added some of your ideas as if they were his but again whatever works for you. 

Firstly, the hypocrisy here is mind bending. However to respond to your claim, I’m interpreting what Lifecoach has said based on what I know of him (I used to occasionally watch clips of him) and what he has said repeatedly in the past. He has, as far as I’m aware, never made any serious allegations of match rigging. He did often complain about the ladder system, RNG, and how grinding a consistent win rate is more important for competitive play than tournaments. His main issue with this (again going off what he has actually said) is that in a Best of Three RNG has a massive effect on the outcome.

And the game does have a ‘low skill cap’. I’ve said this myself in this very conversation so how you feel I've glossed over it is beyond me. With that being said it is still a card game and the skill cap is in relation to it being a card game. Go kart racing has a greatly reduced skill cap in comparison to Formula 1, that doesn't mean you aren't still going to smash into a barrier. Card games by their nature have levels of play and the level you are playing at in Hearthstone is well outside of the scope Lifecoach is talking about. Like I said you aren’t even involved in the same conversation (neither am I, or the vast majority of others for that matter.)

This is because RNG has a very diminishing effect on your climb the further away you are from your average rank, but once you start to approach your rank and consistently face players of a similar skill level your win rate moves closer and closer to 50%, this is aided by RNG as a high amount of randomness naturally gravitates everyone towards 50%, this means that the amount of people 'at your skill level' is elevated. Before you hit this point however RNG only really has an effect on a game per game basis (such as in a Best of Three), not over a large number of games (Lifecoach touched on this in the quote you linked [and then preceded to completely misunderstand], and is why he believes the game benefits grinding. The more you grind, the greater an impact you will see from small incremental increases in your win rate).

For many people (including yourself) this point is Diamond because the win streaks end here. So a ~50% w/r will no longer be good enough to advance within a reasonable time period. However a high Legend player will not be too greatly effected by RNG at Diamond because they have the capability to maintain a win rate at that level which is high enough to nullify any defeats they suffer due to bad draws and bad luck.

Now most people understand this, they can recognise the concept of plateauing, especially once the safety wheels have been taken off such is the case at Diamond. They realise that they will not be able to go forward unless they improve. Some people however (and this is you) cannot grasp this and therefore assume that there must actually be something wrong with the game.

I really cannot emphasise enough how simple this concept is, and how ludicrous it is that you don't understand it. If you are ever interested in actually understanding how the game works however, then as I have mentioned in previous posts, all you need to do is provide your HSReplay links and allow high legend players review your games which you apparently had no chance of winning. In fact, the concept is so simple and your reactions so ludicrous that assume the reality is actually that in spite of all the bluster, you are completely aware that what you are saying here is complete nonsense, and you know that providing these links will completely destroy your theories. 

Also the fact that you think 15 hours of playing a video game isn't a lot just proves my point. There's a great big world out there. Try checking it out sometime. 

15 hours is a lot of time, I have never claimed otherwise. Seriously, your reading comprehension is terrible.

This climb was done with a completely fresh account, including the tutorial, on the old (harder) laddering system. Climbing to legend on the new system with a 9x win bonus takes a significantly shorter time. The point is that even in the extreme case I listed, that climb can be done playing 30 minutes per day. Your claims that you don't play enough are nonsense. You're just not good enough to reach Legend within a reasonable timeframe.

To close, it is pretty amusing how you use the age old “go outside, nerd” retort when you have been bleating on about a children's card game being rigged for over 3 years. That is unhinged, man. Like it's amazing that someone like you would even attempt to insult someone about their personal life.

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Finally, save maybe correcting any falsehoods that may be brought up this is the last I'll probably say on this matter, unless of course you grow a backbone and provide some HSReplay links. Failing to do that, but continuing to prattle on like you have been with snarky comments and straw men will be enough for me to know that you are wrong, and you know that you are wrong, so I'll see no further reason to continue arguing my points.

Dude I can't reiterate this enough - I don't care about you or your delusions. I'm not going to read this novel. Writing a fucking term paper to convince me that Blizzard can rig the game (for their stated reason) but doesn't (for some unknown reason) is a wasted effort. Believe in Santa if you want - it really doesn't affect me.

Value your time more. Stop wasting it trying to get me to ignore evidence to join you in your fantasy.

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Opening 2 sets of packs, Forged in the barrens, and Darkmoon Faire.

I was trying to elongate the Legendary timer by opening 1 Darkmoon pack, then both barrens packs in order to attempt getting a legendary from Darkmoon (i'm looking for N'Zoth, God of the Deep)

As I was hovering over the cards in the 2nd Barrens pack, i was thinking to myself "Please, no legendaries and i'm good"

 

this is not how any of this works bro, you just got upset for no reason at all. legendary pity timers are SEPARATE for each card EXPANSION. so even if you open 3 barrens legendaries in a row, it does not affect your chances of getting darkmoon legendaries AT ALL.

 Because of your post I actually learned something from this board today. Can't say that too often. 

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Why are people who don’t believe in big scary conspiracy theories so hostile towards those who do? Funny how these theories always end up being true! The people who believe in them will just say those who don’t believe are just ********. But those anti conspiracists it’s like it eats at there soul they HAVE to be right. You HAVE to think just like them! Lol why? Why are you people literally npcs? Who cares who complains about the rng? Everyone admits and knows it is being manipulated the question always seems to be how much? Let the man think what he wants. Who cares. Stop starting shit because they don’t fall in line with your thinking. I can just imagine how you people are in real life prob pretty sad.

 I’m not an ‘anti-conspiricy theorist’. Some conspiricies have weight to them and until proven wrong I can understand why people would follow them. Blizzard manipulating the game for profit is a fair enough conspiracy to believe in, there is no smoking gun evidence for it but given the predatory nature of gaming publishers (including Activision Blizzard) I can understand why people don’t trust them.

Some of the things Evil_B is posting are verifiably incorrect, though. I know you are desperate for your feelings to be validated but jumping on literally ANYTHING which you feel supports your beliefs is a pretty sure fire way to look stupid. 

Anybody who cannot make Legend just isn’t skilled enough at the game to do so. That’s a fact. They haven’t put enough time into studying the meta, they don’t understand how to mulligan correctly, they have no clue how to hand read, they are usually focused purely on what is happening on the board and not what their opponents will be playing next turn, or the turn after that. “Should I draw cards here or is developing a minion mire important?” “Should I drop my win con now or bait out removal?” Etc

@Evil_B your last comment actually half makes sense. Those things existing DO indicate that Blizzard COULD manipulate the game in nefarious ways. It doesn’t PROVE that they are, however, and it certainly doesn’t explain why you are stuck at Diamond 5 because people who are actually good at the game have no issue sailing into Legend, even on completely fresh accounts, other people’s accounts, old accounts, F2P accounts, P2W accounts, all of it. The only people who cannot make Legend are those who don’t try to, or those who, despite thinking the game is easy, don’t fully understand it.

MMR and a lot of RNG are good ways to jeep everything close to 50/50, you don’t need to rig games. However, to reiterate, Blizzard MAY be doing that. It hasn’t been proven or disproven. Your claims that people cannot make Legend without the game rigging it for them has been disproven countless times however. You could even disprove it yourself if you dropped the act and put some time into really learning how to optimally play the game.

 

 Pro streamer Lifecoach quit playing the game for the very reasons I point out:

"The world's best player can probably have a 5% edge over a good player per game, at the moment, which is ridiculously low. That also reflects the low skill cap."

"We realized how ridiculous the system is, in that it rewards hard grinding. The more games you play, the more reward you get. Skill doesn't really matter. It's quantity over quality. As people who are striving for perfection, that’s actually a really bad thing. It's not about who's playing the best, it's basically about who’s playing the most. I mean, obviously you still have to play well, but quantity weighs way more than quality in this system."

https://www.pcgamer.com/lifecoach-on-quitting-hearthstone-you-dont-get-rewarded-you-get-punched-in-the-face/

That's a pro streamer. I guess he didn't know how to optimally play the game either. 

I'm not going to spend hours and hours waiting for the system to reward me. I have better shit to do with my time. So I bounce from Diamond 5 to 1 and back because I don't play enough to trigger the gateway algorithm. 

LOL what? Do you actually believe Lifecoach quit Hearthstone because he believes Blizzard are using a rigged algorithm? He quit because the game has too much RNG, which it does (imo). This inherently neuters the pro competitive scene.

Like literally nothing he has said supports your theories in any way. The 'system' he is talking about is ladder, and how players at the very highest level need to grind every day in order to finish high enough to qualify for events and such. You aren't even included in his conversation because you're not good enough to get to a stage where RNG is even having that great of an effect over a large enough sample size. When he says "good player" he isn't talking about players stuck in Diamond. He's talking more about players who will be consistently making top 1000 Legend. The 5% w/r difference is over a huge number of games and is what separates the very top players (like Top 100 or so) from those just below them. 

The reason you bounce from 5 to 1 and back isn't RNG, or a rigged system, it's because you aren't good enough to maintain a win rate that will take you to Legend within a reasonable amount of games. Suck it up. You've already told us that you have over 1000 wins, so don't now act like you don't play enough. I mean I've already linked to someone who started a brand new account, completed the tutorial and made legend in 15 hours of play time.

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Why are people who don’t believe in big scary conspiracy theories so hostile towards those who do? Funny how these theories always end up being true! The people who believe in them will just say those who don’t believe are just ********. But those anti conspiracists it’s like it eats at there soul they HAVE to be right. You HAVE to think just like them! Lol why? Why are you people literally npcs? Who cares who complains about the rng? Everyone admits and knows it is being manipulated the question always seems to be how much? Let the man think what he wants. Who cares. Stop starting shit because they don’t fall in line with your thinking. I can just imagine how you people are in real life prob pretty sad.

 For the same reason why people are hostile to flat earthers, seeing that much stupidity is pretty triggering.

I got the same kind of comments from fanboys when I spoke about the game reading the board and choosing the best card. They all told me how dumb I was and how that kind of programming was beyond Blizzard's capability. Then ZTG came out and surprisingly all those fanboys went silent. Now they want us to believe that yes Blizzard CAN do that, but they don't. You true believers are the real flat earthers. Ignoring the evidence to believe what you really want to be true. 

I mean Blizzard could program just about anything into the game, there's no technological limit to them placing the algorithm which you believe they have into the game. They absolutely could do it.

However it is pretty funny that you believe ZTG is in any way close to that algorithm. ZTG has a basic understanding of the board and player state and selects a 'perfect' card from static pool (the Classic and Basic set). He doesn't consider each players MMR, or whether X player needs to win this game, or if Y player has bought any packs this month, none of that. He doesn't constantly get updated with knowledge of every new card that comes into the game, he doesn't know the synergies of your deck, he doesn't know how your opponents deck works or the best way to beat it etc.

 Man you really want to believe. If it really helps you enjoy the game to hang on to the idea that Blizzard is only out to create a 100% fair and random game for your entertainment then again I say more power to you. Doesn't make it so but if it works for you then have at it. It was adorable how you keep referring to ZTG as if the card was a real person. I said the card reads the board and selects the best card and somehow you took that off on an algorithm tangent. 

I like how you interpret Lifecoach's interview to meet your fantasies. Kind of glossed over the "low skill cap" and added some of your ideas as if they were his but again whatever works for you. 

Also the fact that you think 15 hours of playing a video game isn't a lot just proves my point. There's a great big world out there. Try checking it out sometime. 

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Everyone who believes in these conspiracy theories should just learn how to play. And learn mathematics. And stop thinking you are so special and you run into perfect counters all the time. What about players that run into you, huh?

And stop playing netdecks everyone knows how to play against. I made to legend with Stealer of Souls Warlock (in standard) this month and have no problem to reach it every season if I have time to play. Tournament level players or streamers also seem to have no problems about it. Only poor conspiracionists need to explain why they are just not good enough.

 

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Everyone who believes in these conspiracy theories should just learn how to play. And learn mathematics. And stop thinking you are so special and you run into perfect counters all the time. What about players that run into you, huh?

And stop playing netdecks everyone knows how to play against. I made to legend with Stealer of Souls Warlock (in standard) this month and have no problem to reach it every season if I have time to play. Tournament level players or streamers also seem to have no problems about it. Only poor conspiracionists need to explain why they are just not good enough.

 What  a load of crap.  You reach legend(allegedly) or shall we say the DECK did using broken shit that was even banned in wild.  You want props for this?  The game has no skill involved there, Spanky.  legend is just grinding broken decks.  Thats it.  Anyone that actually thinks  this game takes skill is dumber than probably already expected.  There are no conspiracies - theres just facts: This is a casino-level game with ridiculously Tier-0 decks that "get" people legend.  It means nothing.  Do it without a cancer deck and we'll talk but no one ever does.  Another fact. 

100% this. If you play enough the game will eventually put you on a streak where you get perfect cards on curve and win enough mindless games to legend. Then you'll go on a losing streak where your key cards are buried or get burned thus maintaining the stated goal of an overall 50% win rate. 

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Why are people who don’t believe in big scary conspiracy theories so hostile towards those who do? Funny how these theories always end up being true! The people who believe in them will just say those who don’t believe are just ********. But those anti conspiracists it’s like it eats at there soul they HAVE to be right. You HAVE to think just like them! Lol why? Why are you people literally npcs? Who cares who complains about the rng? Everyone admits and knows it is being manipulated the question always seems to be how much? Let the man think what he wants. Who cares. Stop starting shit because they don’t fall in line with your thinking. I can just imagine how you people are in real life prob pretty sad.

 I’m not an ‘anti-conspiricy theorist’. Some conspiricies have weight to them and until proven wrong I can understand why people would follow them. Blizzard manipulating the game for profit is a fair enough conspiracy to believe in, there is no smoking gun evidence for it but given the predatory nature of gaming publishers (including Activision Blizzard) I can understand why people don’t trust them.

Some of the things Evil_B is posting are verifiably incorrect, though. I know you are desperate for your feelings to be validated but jumping on literally ANYTHING which you feel supports your beliefs is a pretty sure fire way to look stupid. 

Anybody who cannot make Legend just isn’t skilled enough at the game to do so. That’s a fact. They haven’t put enough time into studying the meta, they don’t understand how to mulligan correctly, they have no clue how to hand read, they are usually focused purely on what is happening on the board and not what their opponents will be playing next turn, or the turn after that. “Should I draw cards here or is developing a minion mire important?” “Should I drop my win con now or bait out removal?” Etc

@Evil_B your last comment actually half makes sense. Those things existing DO indicate that Blizzard COULD manipulate the game in nefarious ways. It doesn’t PROVE that they are, however, and it certainly doesn’t explain why you are stuck at Diamond 5 because people who are actually good at the game have no issue sailing into Legend, even on completely fresh accounts, other people’s accounts, old accounts, F2P accounts, P2W accounts, all of it. The only people who cannot make Legend are those who don’t try to, or those who, despite thinking the game is easy, don’t fully understand it.

MMR and a lot of RNG are good ways to jeep everything close to 50/50, you don’t need to rig games. However, to reiterate, Blizzard MAY be doing that. It hasn’t been proven or disproven. Your claims that people cannot make Legend without the game rigging it for them has been disproven countless times however. You could even disprove it yourself if you dropped the act and put some time into really learning how to optimally play the game.

 

 Pro streamer Lifecoach quit playing the game for the very reasons I point out:

"The world's best player can probably have a 5% edge over a good player per game, at the moment, which is ridiculously low. That also reflects the low skill cap."

"We realized how ridiculous the system is, in that it rewards hard grinding. The more games you play, the more reward you get. Skill doesn't really matter. It's quantity over quality. As people who are striving for perfection, that’s actually a really bad thing. It's not about who's playing the best, it's basically about who’s playing the most. I mean, obviously you still have to play well, but quantity weighs way more than quality in this system."

https://www.pcgamer.com/lifecoach-on-quitting-hearthstone-you-dont-get-rewarded-you-get-punched-in-the-face/

That's a pro streamer. I guess he didn't know how to optimally play the game either. 

I'm not going to spend hours and hours waiting for the system to reward me. I have better shit to do with my time. So I bounce from Diamond 5 to 1 and back because I don't play enough to trigger the gateway algorithm. 

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Why are people who don’t believe in big scary conspiracy theories so hostile towards those who do? Funny how these theories always end up being true! The people who believe in them will just say those who don’t believe are just ********. But those anti conspiracists it’s like it eats at there soul they HAVE to be right. You HAVE to think just like them! Lol why? Why are you people literally npcs? Who cares who complains about the rng? Everyone admits and knows it is being manipulated the question always seems to be how much? Let the man think what he wants. Who cares. Stop starting shit because they don’t fall in line with your thinking. I can just imagine how you people are in real life prob pretty sad.

 For the same reason why people are hostile to flat earthers, seeing that much stupidity is pretty triggering.

I got the same kind of comments from fanboys when I spoke about the game reading the board and choosing the best card. They all told me how dumb I was and how that kind of programming was beyond Blizzard's capability. Then ZTG came out and surprisingly all those fanboys went silent. Now they want us to believe that yes Blizzard CAN do that, but they don't. You true believers are the real flat earthers. Ignoring the evidence to believe what you really want to be true. 

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Evil_B entered into a conversation in this thread so it's only fair that other people can enter into that same conversation and respond to him.

And conspiracy theories are not 'Salt', if the thread is to be used properly then people post in it after a particularly bad game of HS to let off some steam. This can be as angry and colourful as necessary. Posters coming into the thread quoting people to tell them HS is rigged and Blizzard are greedy is not 'salt' and as far as I can tell not what the thread was created for.

 

 

 ZTG reads the board and chooses the best card. That's not a conspiracy - it's a fact. Blizzard flat out says that they manipulate the appearance of certain cards in arena. Again not conspiracy. If you want to believe that they have these abilities and just choose not to use them (despite having a stated goal of an overall 50% win rate) then again I say run with it. But I have to wonder - if you walked up to a blackjack table and the dealer says "this automatic shuffler has the ability to draw any card I want out of this deck but I promise you that I won't do it", how much are you going to bet?

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Made it to Diamond 5 and decided to try some of the flavor of the month decks. Go to Hearthstone Top Decks and see that face hunter is the latest cancer deck. OK. Copy, paste, play. Lose 9 in a row then win one, lose one. Perfect counter deck after perfect counter deck.

Let's try deathrattle demon hunter. Lose 8 out of 9. All perfect counter decks.

Tell me more about the randomness of Hearthstone. 

 And of course non of this has anything to do with you just being bad at the game and piloting decks you haven’t played before and don’t know how to play lol, it’s all a conspiracy.

Seriously, there are other digital card games out there, ditch the one that is making your life so miserable and play another instead.

Or at the very least install a deck tracker and post up the links to your match replays. It could be really eye opening to see how unlucky you really are. I mean you obviously play the game optimally and only lose due to Blizzard fixing your matches so you wouldn’t have anything to be embarrassed about would you?

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Also just saw this in another thread lol

Here you are, slaving on ladder day after day. Diamond 5 bemoaning rigged RNG. 

Meanwhile some guy is flying to Legend in half of a day on a F2P account. Be more like Rich_Piana in life.

 I have all gold heroes, three with 1,000+ wins but I don't know how to play face hunter. Brilliant analysis. 

 So you play the game an insane amount and are still bad. What point are you trying to even prove here?

Why don’t you just play a few games of face hunter with HDT installed and post the links to the replays? You post a lot of ‘facts’ and you could really validate them if you did that. 

 326 posts.

 326 posts on a game I’ve played since 2015 and have enjoyed quite a lot over the years, I enjoy discussing games, not really sure what point you even think you are making here?

I used to love Hearthstone, I returned back from a break to play since Darkmoon Faire and found the game didn’t interest me in the way it used to. Too much RNG, reliance on OP swing cards, excessive draw etc. So a few weeks ago I switched over to Runeterra and I’m liking it a lot more.

I mean I could have just kept on playing whilst hating the game, constantly posting about how much I hate it and how much it’s rigged, but that doesn’t make much sense, so I didn’t do that.

And I’m still waiting for those replays. Take the opportunity to blow me out with your masterful Face Hunter plays. 

I would except

1) I lost 9 out of 10 to perfect counter decks. Not what I'd consider masterful.

2) Still not sure why you would care about a game you no longer play. 

3) I don't give a shit about you.

 1)Looking at HSReplay's free stats the best counters to the decks you played are:

Face Hunter (W9-L1): Menagerie Priest, which has a 58% w/r

Deathrattle Demon Hunter (W8-L1): Spell Druid, which has a 60% w/r

Now maybe those stats change at Diamond 5 (HSReplay won't tell me this without renewing my subscription), but for your win rate to be anything short of an absolute embarrassment, the change would have to be astronomical, we're talking possibly never before seen win rates here, and your word that they were all actually "perfect counters" would have to be true, which given your previous is unlikely.

2) It's not too hard to understand, really. I've played the game since 2015. I have a soft spot for it and considering I only stopped playing a short while ago I'm still interested to see what is happening with it, seeing the new cards and checking in what is working and how the meta is changing since I last played. HearthPwn is also on my homepage bookmarks so I sometimes will instinctively click it, then have a short browse and maybe make a post or two before moving on. There's nothing remotely weird or unhealthy about what I'm doing here.

You are putting hours into a game that you 100% know is completely rigged, apparently. The two situations we're in here don't really compare.

3) Why would I care what you think of me? The purpose of you posting replays of your games isn't to satisfy me, it's to add credence to the claims you regularly make that the game is 100% rigged and that nothing matters outside of Blizzards algorithm. Not posting something which would completely vindicate you against all of the criticism you have faced over the last weeks/months or whatever seems counter intuitive. I mean you are clearly passionate about Hearthstone being rigged, so show some proof.

Don't get me wrong, I know the reason why you won't put up replays, you're not fooling anybody here, it's because you know, deep down, that you are just bad at the game, and that these repays will contain numerous misplays which better players will recognise. I've never lost 17 games out of 19 (from 2 back to back lists) in Hearthstone since I can remember and I play exclusively janky meme decks. Doing that with Meta lists is extremely impressive.

 Yeah as I said I don't give a shit about you so I'm not reading all that. 

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Made it to Diamond 5 and decided to try some of the flavor of the month decks. Go to Hearthstone Top Decks and see that face hunter is the latest cancer deck. OK. Copy, paste, play. Lose 9 in a row then win one, lose one. Perfect counter deck after perfect counter deck.

Let's try deathrattle demon hunter. Lose 8 out of 9. All perfect counter decks.

Tell me more about the randomness of Hearthstone. 

 And of course non of this has anything to do with you just being bad at the game and piloting decks you haven’t played before and don’t know how to play lol, it’s all a conspiracy.

Seriously, there are other digital card games out there, ditch the one that is making your life so miserable and play another instead.

Or at the very least install a deck tracker and post up the links to your match replays. It could be really eye opening to see how unlucky you really are. I mean you obviously play the game optimally and only lose due to Blizzard fixing your matches so you wouldn’t have anything to be embarrassed about would you?

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[F2P] Rank 50 - Legend in 15:12 hours - General Discussion - Hearthstone General - HearthPwn Forums - HearthPwn

Also just saw this in another thread lol

Here you are, slaving on ladder day after day. Diamond 5 bemoaning rigged RNG. 

Meanwhile some guy is flying to Legend in half of a day on a F2P account. Be more like Rich_Piana in life.

 I have all gold heroes, three with 1,000+ wins but I don't know how to play face hunter. Brilliant analysis. 

 So you play the game an insane amount and are still bad. What point are you trying to even prove here?

Why don’t you just play a few games of face hunter with HDT installed and post the links to the replays? You post a lot of ‘facts’ and you could really validate them if you did that. 

 326 posts.

 326 posts on a game I’ve played since 2015 and have enjoyed quite a lot over the years, I enjoy discussing games, not really sure what point you even think you are making here?

I used to love Hearthstone, I returned back from a break to play since Darkmoon Faire and found the game didn’t interest me in the way it used to. Too much RNG, reliance on OP swing cards, excessive draw etc. So a few weeks ago I switched over to Runeterra and I’m liking it a lot more.

I mean I could have just kept on playing whilst hating the game, constantly posting about how much I hate it and how much it’s rigged, but that doesn’t make much sense, so I didn’t do that.

And I’m still waiting for those replays. Take the opportunity to blow me out with your masterful Face Hunter plays. 

I would except

1) I lost 9 out of 10 to perfect counter decks. Not what I'd consider masterful.

2) Still not sure why you would care about a game you no longer play. 

3) I don't give a shit about you.

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Made it to Diamond 5 and decided to try some of the flavor of the month decks. Go to Hearthstone Top Decks and see that face hunter is the latest cancer deck. OK. Copy, paste, play. Lose 9 in a row then win one, lose one. Perfect counter deck after perfect counter deck.

Let's try deathrattle demon hunter. Lose 8 out of 9. All perfect counter decks.

Tell me more about the randomness of Hearthstone. 

 And of course non of this has anything to do with you just being bad at the game and piloting decks you haven’t played before and don’t know how to play lol, it’s all a conspiracy.

Seriously, there are other digital card games out there, ditch the one that is making your life so miserable and play another instead.

Or at the very least install a deck tracker and post up the links to your match replays. It could be really eye opening to see how unlucky you really are. I mean you obviously play the game optimally and only lose due to Blizzard fixing your matches so you wouldn’t have anything to be embarrassed about would you?

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[F2P] Rank 50 - Legend in 15:12 hours - General Discussion - Hearthstone General - HearthPwn Forums - HearthPwn

Also just saw this in another thread lol

Here you are, slaving on ladder day after day. Diamond 5 bemoaning rigged RNG. 

Meanwhile some guy is flying to Legend in half of a day on a F2P account. Be more like Rich_Piana in life.

 I have all gold heroes, three with 1,000+ wins but I don't know how to play face hunter. Brilliant analysis. 

 So you play the game an insane amount and are still bad. What point are you trying to even prove here?

Why don’t you just play a few games of face hunter with HDT installed and post the links to the replays? You post a lot of ‘facts’ and you could really validate them if you did that. 

 326 posts.

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I don’t think me posting very occasionally on a forum constitutes a hobby, but whatever, this doesn’t seem to be your forte, ‘brah’.

You are actively putting what appears to be a fair chunk of time into a game you claim is completely rigged. That seems like a genuinely insane thing to do. There are other digital card games out there and maybe one of then can offer you some actual enjoyment.

 325 posts in 7 months. 1.5 posts per day, every day regarding a game you no longer play. I've been on this board since 2018 and you have almost as many posts as I do. I think your hobby isn't games - it's trolling. 

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Made it to Diamond 5 and decided to try some of the flavor of the month decks. Go to Hearthstone Top Decks and see that face hunter is the latest cancer deck. OK. Copy, paste, play. Lose 9 in a row then win one, lose one. Perfect counter deck after perfect counter deck.

Let's try deathrattle demon hunter. Lose 8 out of 9. All perfect counter decks.

Tell me more about the randomness of Hearthstone. 

 And of course non of this has anything to do with you just being bad at the game and piloting decks you haven’t played before and don’t know how to play lol, it’s all a conspiracy.

Seriously, there are other digital card games out there, ditch the one that is making your life so miserable and play another instead.

Or at the very least install a deck tracker and post up the links to your match replays. It could be really eye opening to see how unlucky you really are. I mean you obviously play the game optimally and only lose due to Blizzard fixing your matches so you wouldn’t have anything to be embarrassed about would you?

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[F2P] Rank 50 - Legend in 15:12 hours - General Discussion - Hearthstone General - HearthPwn Forums - HearthPwn

Also just saw this in another thread lol

Here you are, slaving on ladder day after day. Diamond 5 bemoaning rigged RNG. 

Meanwhile some guy is flying to Legend in half of a day on a F2P account. Be more like Rich_Piana in life.

 I have all gold heroes, three with 1,000+ wins but I don't know how to play face hunter. Brilliant analysis.