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Opening 2 sets of packs, Forged in the barrens, and Darkmoon Faire.

I was trying to elongate the Legendary timer by opening 1 Darkmoon pack, then both barrens packs in order to attempt getting a legendary from Darkmoon (i'm looking for N'Zoth, God of the Deep)

As I was hovering over the cards in the 2nd Barrens pack, i was thinking to myself "Please, no legendaries and i'm good"

 

this is not how any of this works bro, you just got upset for no reason at all. legendary pity timers are SEPARATE for each card EXPANSION. so even if you open 3 barrens legendaries in a row, it does not affect your chances of getting darkmoon legendaries AT ALL.

 Because of your post I actually learned something from this board today. Can't say that too often. 

As you clearly lack the mental capacity to engage in an adult conversation I cannot imagine what I'm about to say will have that much of an effect on you. Your failure to understand basic concepts, your awful attempts at being ‘funny’, and your bewildering hypocrisy are just too much. Sorry. In any case this post isn’t for ‘you’, it’s directed at you, but it is intended to be read by those with an IQ higher than that of a rabbit. This may be too long for you, you may not ‘give a shit about me’ and in turn pretend not to read it, but that’s fine. This is an open forum... Am I being condescending enough for you? (That question was rhetorical [google it]; I’ll rise back up from your level now).

If it really helps you enjoy the game to hang on to the idea that Blizzard is only out to create a 100% fair and random game for your entertainment then again I say more power to you. 

You aren't arguing against things I'm actually saying here, your creating in your head what you want me to believe and then arguing against that. For what reason I have no idea.

I actually believe Blizzard are 100% out to make as much money as they can. They just don't need to rig the game in order to do that.

It was adorable how you keep referring to ZTG as if the card was a real person. I said the card reads the board and selects the best card and somehow you took that off on an algorithm tangent. 

Your claim was an attempt to use ZTG as an example of how the foundations for the algorithm are already apparent to us all. However the actual algorithm would be nowhere close to ZTG, so what you said made no sense. You were gloating about arguments you've apparently had with other people in the past, it was really weird. And referring to something as he/she doesn't indicate that it is a real person, infact this is generally how we refer to and speak about AI - I know you're just trying to be cute here but it isn't helping your case.

I like how you interpret Lifecoach's interview to meet your fantasies. Kind of glossed over the "low skill cap" and added some of your ideas as if they were his but again whatever works for you. 

Firstly, the hypocrisy here is mind bending. However to respond to your claim, I’m interpreting what Lifecoach has said based on what I know of him (I used to occasionally watch clips of him) and what he has said repeatedly in the past. He has, as far as I’m aware, never made any serious allegations of match rigging. He did often complain about the ladder system, RNG, and how grinding a consistent win rate is more important for competitive play than tournaments. His main issue with this (again going off what he has actually said) is that in a Best of Three RNG has a massive effect on the outcome.

And the game does have a ‘low skill cap’. I’ve said this myself in this very conversation so how you feel I've glossed over it is beyond me. With that being said it is still a card game and the skill cap is in relation to it being a card game. Go kart racing has a greatly reduced skill cap in comparison to Formula 1, that doesn't mean you aren't still going to smash into a barrier. Card games by their nature have levels of play and the level you are playing at in Hearthstone is well outside of the scope Lifecoach is talking about. Like I said you aren’t even involved in the same conversation (neither am I, or the vast majority of others for that matter.)

This is because RNG has a very diminishing effect on your climb the further away you are from your average rank, but once you start to approach your rank and consistently face players of a similar skill level your win rate moves closer and closer to 50%, this is aided by RNG as a high amount of randomness naturally gravitates everyone towards 50%, this means that the amount of people 'at your skill level' is elevated. Before you hit this point however RNG only really has an effect on a game per game basis (such as in a Best of Three), not over a large number of games (Lifecoach touched on this in the quote you linked [and then preceded to completely misunderstand], and is why he believes the game benefits grinding. The more you grind, the greater an impact you will see from small incremental increases in your win rate).

For many people (including yourself) this point is Diamond because the win streaks end here. So a ~50% w/r will no longer be good enough to advance within a reasonable time period. However a high Legend player will not be too greatly effected by RNG at Diamond because they have the capability to maintain a win rate at that level which is high enough to nullify any defeats they suffer due to bad draws and bad luck.

Now most people understand this, they can recognise the concept of plateauing, especially once the safety wheels have been taken off such is the case at Diamond. They realise that they will not be able to go forward unless they improve. Some people however (and this is you) cannot grasp this and therefore assume that there must actually be something wrong with the game.

I really cannot emphasise enough how simple this concept is, and how ludicrous it is that you don't understand it. If you are ever interested in actually understanding how the game works however, then as I have mentioned in previous posts, all you need to do is provide your HSReplay links and allow high legend players review your games which you apparently had no chance of winning. In fact, the concept is so simple and your reactions so ludicrous that assume the reality is actually that in spite of all the bluster, you are completely aware that what you are saying here is complete nonsense, and you know that providing these links will completely destroy your theories. 

Also the fact that you think 15 hours of playing a video game isn't a lot just proves my point. There's a great big world out there. Try checking it out sometime. 

15 hours is a lot of time, I have never claimed otherwise. Seriously, your reading comprehension is terrible.

This climb was done with a completely fresh account, including the tutorial, on the old (harder) laddering system. Climbing to legend on the new system with a 9x win bonus takes a significantly shorter time. The point is that even in the extreme case I listed, that climb can be done playing 30 minutes per day. Your claims that you don't play enough are nonsense. You're just not good enough to reach Legend within a reasonable timeframe.

To close, it is pretty amusing how you use the age old “go outside, nerd” retort when you have been bleating on about a children's card game being rigged for over 3 years. That is unhinged, man. Like it's amazing that someone like you would even attempt to insult someone about their personal life.

Finally, save maybe correcting any falsehoods that may be brought up this is the last I'll probably say on this matter, unless of course you grow a backbone and provide some HSReplay links. Failing to do that, but continuing to prattle on like you have been with snarky comments and straw men will be enough for me to know that you are wrong, and you know that you are wrong, so I'll see no further reason to continue arguing my points.

I fucking HATE MTG. When I play it, I wanna poke ma opponent's eyes out. Combo, control, planeswalkers, and all the expensive cards made to torture or stall make my blood boil. Fuck this game and every blue mage there is. The worst thing since AIDS.

Hearthstone is my only mirth T_T.

What the flip do you mean that wasn't enough of a game to count towards quests?? I'm in fatigue, with no way to win even with favourable RNG... and still it's not good enough. The whole "Any concede? Nope, no Q for you" bull needs to die in a fire.

@kinkijohnfowler:

I registered just to thank you to be a champion of reason and repeatedly attempt to reason with conspiracists and flat out put the whole thing to rest. I’ve been lurking for a while and couldn’t understand why anyone wasn’t slapping off the tin foil hat and reasonably explain how things work. I doubt he will ever post his replays. As you’ve said that’s something he’s been avoiding for good reason. Once that’s out, the show is over.

Re: why people are hostile against conspiracy theories? It’s not the theories themselves, it’s stupidity in general. People react adversely to stupid things. I mean, considering how many people work and have worked at Blizzard wouldn’t something as big as every game is rigged have leaked by now? Blizzard isn’t the Pentagon last I checked. 

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As you clearly lack the mental capacity to engage in an adult conversation I cannot imagine what I'm about to say will have that much of an effect on you. Your failure to understand basic concepts, your awful attempts at being ‘funny’, and your bewildering hypocrisy are just too much. Sorry. In any case this post isn’t for ‘you’, it’s directed at you, but it is intended to be read by those with an IQ higher than that of a rabbit. This may be too long for you, you may not ‘give a shit about me’ and in turn pretend not to read it, but that’s fine. This is an open forum... Am I being condescending enough for you? (That question was rhetorical [google it]; I’ll rise back up from your level now).

If it really helps you enjoy the game to hang on to the idea that Blizzard is only out to create a 100% fair and random game for your entertainment then again I say more power to you. 

You aren't arguing against things I'm actually saying here, your creating in your head what you want me to believe and then arguing against that. For what reason I have no idea.

I actually believe Blizzard are 100% out to make as much money as they can. They just don't need to rig the game in order to do that.

It was adorable how you keep referring to ZTG as if the card was a real person. I said the card reads the board and selects the best card and somehow you took that off on an algorithm tangent. 

Your claim was an attempt to use ZTG as an example of how the foundations for the algorithm are already apparent to us all. However the actual algorithm would be nowhere close to ZTG, so what you said made no sense. You were gloating about arguments you've apparently had with other people in the past, it was really weird. And referring to something as he/she doesn't indicate that it is a real person, infact this is generally how we refer to and speak about AI - I know you're just trying to be cute here but it isn't helping your case.

I like how you interpret Lifecoach's interview to meet your fantasies. Kind of glossed over the "low skill cap" and added some of your ideas as if they were his but again whatever works for you. 

Firstly, the hypocrisy here is mind bending. However to respond to your claim, I’m interpreting what Lifecoach has said based on what I know of him (I used to occasionally watch clips of him) and what he has said repeatedly in the past. He has, as far as I’m aware, never made any serious allegations of match rigging. He did often complain about the ladder system, RNG, and how grinding a consistent win rate is more important for competitive play than tournaments. His main issue with this (again going off what he has actually said) is that in a Best of Three RNG has a massive effect on the outcome.

And the game does have a ‘low skill cap’. I’ve said this myself in this very conversation so how you feel I've glossed over it is beyond me. With that being said it is still a card game and the skill cap is in relation to it being a card game. Go kart racing has a greatly reduced skill cap in comparison to Formula 1, that doesn't mean you aren't still going to smash into a barrier. Card games by their nature have levels of play and the level you are playing at in Hearthstone is well outside of the scope Lifecoach is talking about. Like I said you aren’t even involved in the same conversation (neither am I, or the vast majority of others for that matter.)

This is because RNG has a very diminishing effect on your climb the further away you are from your average rank, but once you start to approach your rank and consistently face players of a similar skill level your win rate moves closer and closer to 50%, this is aided by RNG as a high amount of randomness naturally gravitates everyone towards 50%, this means that the amount of people 'at your skill level' is elevated. Before you hit this point however RNG only really has an effect on a game per game basis (such as in a Best of Three), not over a large number of games (Lifecoach touched on this in the quote you linked [and then preceded to completely misunderstand], and is why he believes the game benefits grinding. The more you grind, the greater an impact you will see from small incremental increases in your win rate).

For many people (including yourself) this point is Diamond because the win streaks end here. So a ~50% w/r will no longer be good enough to advance within a reasonable time period. However a high Legend player will not be too greatly effected by RNG at Diamond because they have the capability to maintain a win rate at that level which is high enough to nullify any defeats they suffer due to bad draws and bad luck.

Now most people understand this, they can recognise the concept of plateauing, especially once the safety wheels have been taken off such is the case at Diamond. They realise that they will not be able to go forward unless they improve. Some people however (and this is you) cannot grasp this and therefore assume that there must actually be something wrong with the game.

I really cannot emphasise enough how simple this concept is, and how ludicrous it is that you don't understand it. If you are ever interested in actually understanding how the game works however, then as I have mentioned in previous posts, all you need to do is provide your HSReplay links and allow high legend players review your games which you apparently had no chance of winning. In fact, the concept is so simple and your reactions so ludicrous that assume the reality is actually that in spite of all the bluster, you are completely aware that what you are saying here is complete nonsense, and you know that providing these links will completely destroy your theories. 

Also the fact that you think 15 hours of playing a video game isn't a lot just proves my point. There's a great big world out there. Try checking it out sometime. 

15 hours is a lot of time, I have never claimed otherwise. Seriously, your reading comprehension is terrible.

This climb was done with a completely fresh account, including the tutorial, on the old (harder) laddering system. Climbing to legend on the new system with a 9x win bonus takes a significantly shorter time. The point is that even in the extreme case I listed, that climb can be done playing 30 minutes per day. Your claims that you don't play enough are nonsense. You're just not good enough to reach Legend within a reasonable timeframe.

To close, it is pretty amusing how you use the age old “go outside, nerd” retort when you have been bleating on about a children's card game being rigged for over 3 years. That is unhinged, man. Like it's amazing that someone like you would even attempt to insult someone about their personal life.

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Finally, save maybe correcting any falsehoods that may be brought up this is the last I'll probably say on this matter, unless of course you grow a backbone and provide some HSReplay links. Failing to do that, but continuing to prattle on like you have been with snarky comments and straw men will be enough for me to know that you are wrong, and you know that you are wrong, so I'll see no further reason to continue arguing my points.

Dude I can't reiterate this enough - I don't care about you or your delusions. I'm not going to read this novel. Writing a fucking term paper to convince me that Blizzard can rig the game (for their stated reason) but doesn't (for some unknown reason) is a wasted effort. Believe in Santa if you want - it really doesn't affect me.

Value your time more. Stop wasting it trying to get me to ignore evidence to join you in your fantasy.

Good to see people still believe in RNGanon.

I hate that the internet has created a new sub human piece of shit species in gamers, because we all know they wouldn’t have the balls to stall a game in person.

Fucking Battleground Timer, could you fuck off.

Bg’s is so fucking bad. I couldn’t imagine a more predictable game. Infinite 5th place. I know exactly when Bli$$ard says it’s time to lose. My opp has one unit left which is ghastcoiler. Hm yup I’m getting knocked out. What’s it bringing out? Well a pirate ship of course. And what does that then spawn? Well only all lv 6 pirates of course. Never fails with this fucking game or this fucking company. Wake up people

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@kinkijohnfowler:

I registered just to thank you to be a champion of reason and repeatedly attempt to reason with conspiracists and flat out put the whole thing to rest. I’ve been lurking for a while and couldn’t understand why anyone wasn’t slapping off the tin foil hat and reasonably explain how things work. I doubt he will ever post his replays. As you’ve said that’s something he’s been avoiding for good reason. Once that’s out, the show is over.

Re: why people are hostile against conspiracy theories? It’s not the theories themselves, it’s stupidity in general. People react adversely to stupid things. I mean, considering how many people work and have worked at Blizzard wouldn’t something as big as every game is rigged have leaked by now? Blizzard isn’t the Pentagon last I checked. 

 So you registered an account to thank someone who is trolling people in a thread designed to give conspiracy theorists a place to vent so they don’t clog up the forum with a million other threads about conspiracies?  The salt thread is supposed to be the one “safe space” tin foil hat wearing ragers  can go, and say the stupid shit they say. You know, like the Planet Fitness of forums, a judgement free zone. But there’s always the one Dudley Do-Right that just has to go against the grain and interject dumb shit like data into the thread.

So when I’m pissed, and I want to vent at some perceived slight Blizzard has enacted upon my person, Hearthpwn has been gracious enough to make this happen. So yeah, this isn’t the thread for common sense and understanding.

Back on topic……….Blizzard is secretly trying to ruin my gaming experience by forcing interactions, when all I want to do is concede, and complete the quest. I have never understood this forced interaction. They fixed it for a short time, but have recently brought it back. Even sitting there and passing the turns is a hassle, as there is always those couple players that want to “play out” their deck as designed.

Experience based on time played is something that should not exist. It breeds shithead ropers.

Play 10 games as shaman.. No wonder my games are flooded with shaman.. omg

the game is unplayable due to aggro rampage. Thanks blizzturds for fucking up the game once again

Lol, even though I should beat a certain archetype with my deck 9 out of 10 times. Losing that one game against THE WORST version of said archetype still sucks. I mean come on. A non Shudderwock henchman/jade Corrupt Shaman? Thanks a lot RNG gods.

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@kinkijohnfowler:

I registered just to thank you to be a champion of reason and repeatedly attempt to reason with conspiracists and flat out put the whole thing to rest. I’ve been lurking for a while and couldn’t understand why anyone wasn’t slapping off the tin foil hat and reasonably explain how things work. I doubt he will ever post his replays. As you’ve said that’s something he’s been avoiding for good reason. Once that’s out, the show is over.

Re: why people are hostile against conspiracy theories? It’s not the theories themselves, it’s stupidity in general. People react adversely to stupid things. I mean, considering how many people work and have worked at Blizzard wouldn’t something as big as every game is rigged have leaked by now? Blizzard isn’t the Pentagon last I checked. 

 So John registered a second account to jerk himself off in front of everyone. How cute. 

I played some Paladin and Mage today because of the celebration quests....6 games in a row against shaman with 5 losses; eh whatever, doesn't matter to me because I just wanted to finish the quests.  I switch over to my control warrior which has really great success against shaman decks and WOULDN'T YA KNOW IT!!!, 3 games in a row against non-shaman decks.

Funny how that works.

Love when Sethekk generates raise dead, that generates more Sethekks, that generate more raise deads. I didn't have tracker on cus I was playing on my phone but all in all I think it was roughly 8 raise deads and maybe 13 or 14 sethekks. Fucking stupid. What a fucking stupid mechanic.

Do face hunTARD players think they are good players?  God I hope not.  They are fucking invalids that defy human physiology.  How dumb and mentally slooooooooow can one person be?  Do face  HunTARD players have to use special keyboards to mitigate the drool? 

Its like here they are:

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@kinkijohnfowler:

I registered just to thank you to be a champion of reason and repeatedly attempt to reason with conspiracists and flat out put the whole thing to rest. I’ve been lurking for a while and couldn’t understand why anyone wasn’t slapping off the tin foil hat and reasonably explain how things work. I doubt he will ever post his replays. As you’ve said that’s something he’s been avoiding for good reason. Once that’s out, the show is over.

Re: why people are hostile against conspiracy theories? It’s not the theories themselves, it’s stupidity in general. People react adversely to stupid things. I mean, considering how many people work and have worked at Blizzard wouldn’t something as big as every game is rigged have leaked by now? Blizzard isn’t the Pentagon last I checked. 

 So you registered an account to thank someone who is trolling people in a thread designed to give conspiracy theorists a place to vent so they don’t clog up the forum with a million other threads about conspiracies?  The salt thread is supposed to be the one “safe space” tin foil hat wearing ragers  can go, and say the stupid shit they say. You know, like the Planet Fitness of forums, a judgement free zone. But there’s always the one Dudley Do-Right that just has to go against the grain and interject dumb shit like data into the thread.

So when I’m pissed, and I want to vent at some perceived slight Blizzard has enacted upon my person, Hearthpwn has been gracious enough to make this happen. So yeah, this isn’t the thread for common sense and understanding.

Back on topic……….Blizzard is secretly trying to ruin my gaming experience by forcing interactions, when all I want to do is concede, and complete the quest. I have never understood this forced interaction. They fixed it for a short time, but have recently brought it back. Even sitting there and passing the turns is a hassle, as there is always those couple players that want to “play out” their deck as designed.

Experience based on time played is something that should not exist. It breeds shithead ropers.

 Yes, I did register an account to comment on that. As mentione before:

And conspiracy theories are not 'Salt', if the thread is to be used properly then people post in it after a particularly bad game of HS to let off some steam. 

In case you're looking for something more official, a mod actually talked about this on page 957:

Stay on Topic: This thread is meant for people to blow off steam after particularly insane or unfair beats in Hearthstone. Drop the personal discussions and conspiracy theories.

So no, according to moderation, it's not a place to, as you put it:

in a thread designed to give conspiracy theorists a place to vent so they don’t clog up the forum with a million other threads about conspiracies? 

If you want to explore conspiracy theories in this thread, I'd suggest taking it with Hearthpwn administration, it's not up to me to decide (although I do support their position fully). 

a judgement free zone. But there’s always the one Dudley Do-Right that just has to go against the grain and interject dumb shit like data into the thread.

That sounds pretty judmental for a judgmental free thread. 

On the bright side however, we haven't had any other ramblings about Blizzard rigging games since it was discussed so that's a relief.

Go fuck yourself lose a 50 50 that I lose everytime in Bg’s and I get knocked out everytime because it just always happens to be PERFECT lethal. FUCK YOU