This weeks tavern brawl focuses on deck building. Its in the 1st sentence: "your deck building skills will be put to the test"
.........Except, no they wont, because almost everyone is netdecking. I played at noon, shortly after its release, and I played the same matchup 5 TIMES in a row, with all the same cards as far as I could see. Why, just why?
When tavern brawl came out last summer, I was pumped. It was SUPPOSED to be a wacky, throw the rulebooks away kind of break from the contant grind of the ladder, something fun to mess around with to break up the monotony of playin secret pally after secret pally. It has turned into ranked 2.0.
This weeks brawl was based on Kripp's challengestone, where pro's got 1 hour to build their decks for tournament play. It was formated this way to encourage originality.
I could understand if I had hopped into the brawl on the weekend, after everyone had recieved their free packs, running into the try hard net deckers. But the brawl was HOURS old and it kinda pissed me off that the people I faced ALL DIDN'T EVEN TRY TO BUILD THEIR OWN DECKS.
Am I wrong for wanting to face some ORIGINAL decks? Am I the only one who thinks its kind of fun to not know EXACTLY what my opponent has in his deck, especially in a format that is supposed to promote outside the box thinking?
Why do people even bother, just get the free pack and forget about TB for a week. The mode has sucked donkey cock ever since it was first released, bar one or two variations which were sort of cool.
I just ran my own Priest deck this morning (because I figured Priest spells and minions work well with those restrictions), got my win first game and then I was outta there with a free pack! The only time I play TB more than once for the pack is if I figure out a great deck on my own to play with and it happens to wreck it. There was one brawl awhile back that I clocked up like eighty wins and was still having fun. It can be fun if there isn't just ONE deck that destroys all others like I've seen happen in the past with some of them.
Well OP you're not 'wrong' for wanting to play against decks that players have just put together themselves, but there's also no way you can control it. Just build you own deck and feel good when you win. I'm not even sure what the netdeck was for this brawl since I never look them up, but it took me two tries with a Druid deck I built and both times was against a mage. But yea, you gotta shrug it off man, no reason to get worked up over it since there's nothing we can do.
I actually agree with OP on this one.. The whole point of the brawl is to make your own deck and see how it goes. If you just take from someone else where's the chalkenge?
It's a bit pathetic really. It just goes to show that it's impossible to have a "fun" mode because people will avoid all "fun" in favor of winning. Because regardless of how boring a deck is, if it wins it's more fun to them. How did gamers get to be this way? I don't know. Hell, I could play MTG all week, never win a single game and have fun for every second of it. I can play HS and win 8 games in a row and not log in for a month. I don't know man...the fun has been sucked out and replaces with "fun" aka "winning" which isn't even that fun because winning itself is not supposed to be what is fun.
With self-constructed brawls like this one, I usually just get my pack and move on. Usually within a few hours or so (or even minutes), people will figure out whatever decklists are strong/OP and it gets posted on the internet. Hearthpwn is literally a netdecking website. You may run into interesting decks the first one or two games, since people are testing out stuff as well, but after that it's just people grinding, in my experience.
Different people enjoy the game differently. Some people want to test their deckbuilding creativity, others just want to win. If you want to have fun with unique decks, play with Friends. Besides, if everyone really is predictably playing the same deck, won't that make it extremely predictable?
I actually agree with OP on this one.. The whole point of the brawl is to make your own deck and see how it goes. If you just take from someone else where's the chalkenge?
In actually playing the game and having skill?
Compare this to pokemon - say someone who doesn't understand natures / EVs should they try and figure it on their own (Not likely to happen) or would you teach them about the game mechanics so they can optimize their builds easier and thus perform better when it comes to the actual pokemon battles.
Deck building is like making a good pokemon. If you don't understand the game's mechanics then you're team will be shit. Net decking is learning mechanics.
Everyone copy smogon builds.. Even some people copy teams.. But in pokemon you just go 252/252/4 on stats even if you know nothing..
But you know it's a bad example cause the people who I am against aren't newbies.
It's a bit pathetic really. It just goes to show that it's impossible to have a "fun" mode because people will avoid all "fun" in favor of winning. Because regardless of how boring a deck is, if it wins it's more fun to them. How did gamers get to be this way? I don't know. Hell, I could play MTG all week, never win a single game and have fun for every second of it. I can play HS and win 8 games in a row and not log in for a month. I don't know man...the fun has been sucked out and replaces with "fun" aka "winning" which isn't even that fun because winning itself is not supposed to be what is fun.
Why the heck do you think, that what's fun for you is fun for everyone else too? And why the heck do you think, that what's boring deck for you is boring deck for everyone else too? I think, it's your opinion, what is really pathetic.
I'm not talking about this deck or that deck or which deck is fun. I'm saying that people who only care about winning are ridiculous. CLEARLY there are people who are so adamant about winning no matter WHAT, that even in tavern brawl, a play mode where you can practically do ANYTHING and win (I'm no pro player and I just throw random crap together and get my win on first try almost every single week) but they STILL have to netdeck. It's either they are obsessed with winning, or there are just that many players who are so bad that they are scared to make their own deck for fear of losing 100 times before getting their win. If that's the case...well then damn, those poor bastards, I guess I don't blame them.
I simply threw together a mage deck with all decent available cards and won three of my first four matches. Went much faster than checking the net for pre-made decks :-)
Did not face the same deck twice.
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Battle doesn't need a purpose; the battle is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I fight.
Do you have to whine about this on every deck like your opinion is so important and vital that we simply MUST HEAR IT? You have your opinion, nothing is going to change, this is literally just a post of complaining/exasperation.
Which is fine, I guess, just stop shoving it everywhere.
I actually agree with OP on this one.. The whole point of the brawl is to make your own deck and see how it goes. If you just take from someone else where's the chalkenge?
My point exactly. Its supposed to be a deckbuilders challenge. Its like buying a house and saying you built it.
personally... not too bothered about it. partly coz that's fact of life now. internet has made it easier for people to copy.
it's not just brawl decks, but decks for Season, etc. And this problem is not just confined to HS.
how i look at it... there will be ppl who enjoy creating and playing their own deck. i'm one of those. well, continue to enjoy the game the way we like it...
for others... they just copy and if they are not good at understanding the deck, they will still lose.
having said that -- this week's brawl does limit players to a certain set of cards. so it's not too surprising that for a particular hero, we'd end up seeing similar cards being played.
I actually agree with OP on this one.. The whole point of the brawl is to make your own deck and see how it goes. If you just take from someone else where's the chalkenge?
My point exactly. Its supposed to be a deckbuilders challenge. Its like buying a house and saying you built it.
Oh look the Hearthstone Police is investigating. What if someone just doesn't want any challenge in these stupid brawls? I was lucky enough to win my first game with some random Paladin deck but if I failed i would have just taken the Patron deck which is on the frontpage. Only because they name it deckbuilders challenge it doesn't mean that everyone wants to be challenged in there.
This weeks tavern brawl focuses on deck building. Its in the 1st sentence: "your deck building skills will be put to the test"
.........Except, no they wont, because almost everyone is netdecking. I played at noon, shortly after its release, and I played the same matchup 5 TIMES in a row, with all the same cards as far as I could see. Why, just why?
When tavern brawl came out last summer, I was pumped. It was SUPPOSED to be a wacky, throw the rulebooks away kind of break from the contant grind of the ladder, something fun to mess around with to break up the monotony of playin secret pally after secret pally. It has turned into ranked 2.0.
This weeks brawl was based on Kripp's challengestone, where pro's got 1 hour to build their decks for tournament play. It was formated this way to encourage originality.
I could understand if I had hopped into the brawl on the weekend, after everyone had recieved their free packs, running into the try hard net deckers. But the brawl was HOURS old and it kinda pissed me off that the people I faced ALL DIDN'T EVEN TRY TO BUILD THEIR OWN DECKS.
Am I wrong for wanting to face some ORIGINAL decks? Am I the only one who thinks its kind of fun to not know EXACTLY what my opponent has in his deck, especially in a format that is supposed to promote outside the box thinking?
Yazurlo The Great
Why do people even bother, just get the free pack and forget about TB for a week. The mode has sucked donkey cock ever since it was first released, bar one or two variations which were sort of cool.
Netdecking is never necessary, but it can make your decks more usable and thus more fun to play.
I just ran my own Priest deck this morning (because I figured Priest spells and minions work well with those restrictions), got my win first game and then I was outta there with a free pack! The only time I play TB more than once for the pack is if I figure out a great deck on my own to play with and it happens to wreck it. There was one brawl awhile back that I clocked up like eighty wins and was still having fun. It can be fun if there isn't just ONE deck that destroys all others like I've seen happen in the past with some of them.
Well OP you're not 'wrong' for wanting to play against decks that players have just put together themselves, but there's also no way you can control it. Just build you own deck and feel good when you win. I'm not even sure what the netdeck was for this brawl since I never look them up, but it took me two tries with a Druid deck I built and both times was against a mage. But yea, you gotta shrug it off man, no reason to get worked up over it since there's nothing we can do.
I actually agree with OP on this one.. The whole point of the brawl is to make your own deck and see how it goes. If you just take from someone else where's the chalkenge?
I think it has been well established hearthstone players do not like a challenge.
It's a bit pathetic really. It just goes to show that it's impossible to have a "fun" mode because people will avoid all "fun" in favor of winning. Because regardless of how boring a deck is, if it wins it's more fun to them. How did gamers get to be this way? I don't know. Hell, I could play MTG all week, never win a single game and have fun for every second of it. I can play HS and win 8 games in a row and not log in for a month. I don't know man...the fun has been sucked out and replaces with "fun" aka "winning" which isn't even that fun because winning itself is not supposed to be what is fun.
Everyone plays the same Patron Warrior list -> play Patron Warrior with Harrison/Ooze, or control Priest with AUchenai/Circle, Harrison/Ooze
With self-constructed brawls like this one, I usually just get my pack and move on. Usually within a few hours or so (or even minutes), people will figure out whatever decklists are strong/OP and it gets posted on the internet. Hearthpwn is literally a netdecking website. You may run into interesting decks the first one or two games, since people are testing out stuff as well, but after that it's just people grinding, in my experience.
Different people enjoy the game differently. Some people want to test their deckbuilding creativity, others just want to win. If you want to have fun with unique decks, play with Friends. Besides, if everyone really is predictably playing the same deck, won't that make it extremely predictable?
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I think what is pathetic is that
I simply threw together a mage deck with all decent available cards and won three of my first four matches. Went much faster than checking the net for pre-made decks :-)
Did not face the same deck twice.
Do you have to whine about this on every deck like your opinion is so important and vital that we simply MUST HEAR IT? You have your opinion, nothing is going to change, this is literally just a post of complaining/exasperation.
Which is fine, I guess, just stop shoving it everywhere.
Yazurlo The Great
personally... not too bothered about it. partly coz that's fact of life now. internet has made it easier for people to copy.
it's not just brawl decks, but decks for Season, etc. And this problem is not just confined to HS.
how i look at it... there will be ppl who enjoy creating and playing their own deck. i'm one of those. well, continue to enjoy the game the way we like it...
for others... they just copy and if they are not good at understanding the deck, they will still lose.
having said that -- this week's brawl does limit players to a certain set of cards. so it's not too surprising that for a particular hero, we'd end up seeing similar cards being played.
my decks (comments appreciated):
Lyra's Dragons (standard) | C'Thun Druid (standard) | Lyra's Prince (standard) | C'Thun Undead (wild)
I do not see how is this different from constructed/casual.
ppl cannot/do not want to create own decks due to lack of time, interest or capability.
In brawl i always use my own deck. So I always have fun in brawl