you do not need to be a decorated general to know not to a) plae your artillery on the front lines, b) send in your cavalry ina frontal charge against an enemy you can't see and that you know is made of relentless meatshields c) don't use the best infantry available as cannon fodder
If you want my idea of a strategy: Put the Unsullied as some sort of an unbreakable frontline, because in theory they should be able to hold the lind while you pelt them with the catapults who are positionened BEHIND the flammable wall. Then you have the DOthraki on the flanks to charge the zombies once they made first contact and then all you need is the dragons doing sweeping runs on the broader mass of the zombies.
and even with all of that there'S still a reasonable scenario where the defenders get overrun.
There, in 5 minutes I came up with a better solution than the overpaid writers
Exactly, i know that i may have become tiresome with this ,but people overastimate the advantage of numbers. Just think about it, what other advantages other than the sheer numbers the night king has?None!The living have much more organized and battle hardened army, they have the advantage of superior technology (better equipment, artilery, possibly use of wildfire etc), they have two weapons of mass destruction (dragons), they are capable of superior tactics (as the best of night king we have seen is just the order to advance and overrun...), they had the advantage of location and fortification, the time to prepare and most importantly the knowledge of the enemy (their weaknesses and goals)! Basically they had EVERY advantage other than numbers...Fuck it, a good general would win the war against the entire horde even when each casualty joins their ranks. History has proven that.
I do not want to sound like ass but you have to be braindead to like the episode. Anyone with basic knownledge of history, fuck it!Anyone who has played any rts games would have come with a better writing.
Well, another advantage is that this army doesn't have any fear. They don't get tired or demoralised. And they have no concern about dying. You'd be hard pressed to find a conventional army that would use a pyramid of bodies to cross dangerous terrain. They also had a dragon and a giant. Also, the night king doesn't have to worry about communication and organisation, since he can direct them without commanding officers who have to relay orders, etc. They don't need supplies or logistics re: camp planning, etc. So there are some unconventional advantages.
On the topic of complaints regarding poor battle tactics - Name one person in that group that has:
Experience commanding an army that large
Experience in battle tactics with an army that large
Experience fighting the NK and his army on a large scale and not one on one
Unlimited time and resources in order to make a million more trenches or catapults
Knowledge of the NK such that the group would know in advance that a single line of fire wouldn't protect them against wights, despite their one and only experience with fire and wights has proven successful
The only person who might have some military strategy is Davos, by way of his experience with Stannis, but Davos was a trusted friend and adviser, not a military commander. The group was doing the best they could. Their plan wasn't to defeat the NK's army on the battlefield anyways. And the Dothraki were merely doing what they've always done - waiting around for a fight charging in and fucking shit up.
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Idk, I liked the episode even with all the plot armour, and the horrible strategy of the battle everyone else already mentioned (I just have to get it off my chest - if you have light cavalry (Dothraki are not really armoured knights, suitable for a frontal assault) and f***ing trebuchets, and you know the dead are coming in waves, shouldn't you try and cut a path of fire through them, separating them into smaller, more manageable pockets, and then just swoop in from the flanks with Dothraki and dragons - the Dothraki could've even tried and gone for the White Walkers, since killing them kills a part of the Wight army too...everyone already mentioned it I know, but the defenders had every advantage except numbers, the only reason I can see for the bad strategy is plot convenience and filming expenses.
With that out of the way, I seriously hope they explain the whole Children of the Forest - White Walkers - First Men conflict a bit more, giving Bran something to do...in the books, he is supposed to become the strongest warg there is, and the Others are a far more sinister threat imho - if they leave it at this, it will be the most over-hyped thing about the show, with the Night King dying without explaining his motives a bit more.
There were some epic, heroic (plot armour notwithstanding LUL) and sad moments, and the dark setting felt right to me...we as the viewers should feel uneasy about the whole thing, since after all, the darkness, cold and death come with the Others...so I still liked it and look forward to seeing Jaime murder Cersei heheh ;)
On the topic of complaints regarding poor battle tactics - Name one person in that group that has:
Experience commanding an army that large
Experience in battle tactics with an army that large
Experience fighting the NK and his army on a large scale and not one on one
Unlimited time and resources in order to make a million more trenches or catapults
Knowledge of the NK such that the group would know in advance that a single line of fire wouldn't protect them against wights, despite their one and only experience with fire and wights has proven successful
The only person who might have some military strategy is Davos, by way of his experience with Stannis, but Davos was a trusted friend and adviser, not a military commander. The group was doing the best they could. Their plan wasn't to defeat the NK's army on the battlefield anyways. And the Dothraki were merely doing what they've always done - waiting around for a fight charging in and fucking shit up.
In the Books, Jamie leads some pretty big armies in large battles. I think he had some in the show too (but maybe not this big). As for knowledge of the NK, nobody had that obviously, though I was a little surprised that after having Sam steal all those books from the Citadel, there wasn't something he found in there that would have helped make a big difference.
Does anyone know why NK was attacking? Just for sheer carnage or there's something more to it? And why he was so fixated on Bran? He wanted to just kill him (?), if so - what for? He didn't seem to do anything at all, except for sort of scouting?
On the topic of complaints regarding poor battle tactics - Name one person in that group that has:
Experience commanding an army that large
Experience in battle tactics with an army that large
Experience fighting the NK and his army on a large scale and not one on one
Unlimited time and resources in order to make a million more trenches or catapults
Knowledge of the NK such that the group would know in advance that a single line of fire wouldn't protect them against wights, despite their one and only experience with fire and wights has proven successful
The only person who might have some military strategy is Davos, by way of his experience with Stannis, but Davos was a trusted friend and adviser, not a military commander. The group was doing the best they could. Their plan wasn't to defeat the NK's army on the battlefield anyways. And the Dothraki were merely doing what they've always done - waiting around for a fight charging in and fucking shit up.
Experience makes for a good commander, I agree, but it's more important while the battle is ongoing, to be able to adjust to the changes on the field (such as the blizzard that rendered the dragons partly useless) - in preparing the field and deploying the troops, I think they should have a lot of experience, divided among Tyrion, Daenerys, Jon, Jorah, Jaime, Brienne and others - they were all trained in the art of war and should know a thing or two about it, even if they didn't participate in large battles (and they have).
Regarding the knowledge about the Night King, I don't really get how they don't know a few things already - the wights should be torched and attacked mostly with normal weapons (I'd prefer it if they had more axes and hammers for those than swords and pikes), obsidian and valyrian steel weaponry is for confronting the White Walkers (who basically didn't even show up for the fight, except as a glorified honor-guard LUL), pushing an obsidian dagger into a giant's blue eye shouldn't really kill it but hey, they changed quite a lot of other stuff from the books so I don't really take it too seriously, it's just how it is...
Dany, Tyrion, Jon, Jorah, Jaime, Brienne....none of these characters are trained in military tactics. Dany's experience has been "send in my army to kill things; take advice from Tyrion and Greyworm." Tyrion's experience is, "let's just be rational and logical." Jon's experience is 1v1'ing wildlings, white walkers, and wights. Jorah's experience is....what exactly? Jaime and Brienne are trained knights, not military tacticians.
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Does anyone know why NK was attacking? Just for sheer carnage or there's something more to it? And why he was so fixated on Bran? He wanted to just kill him (?), if so - what for? He didn't seem to do anything at all, except for sort of scouting?
Because he wants to kill Bran. I mean, don't we all?
I don't agree. Some of them are knights from great houses, they had military training because of their highborn status, and not only how to use weapons, but in tactics and strategy, even if that isn't explicitly clear in the show.
As for Tyrion, he led the defense of King's Landing, and he led a host of Mountain Clans for the Lannister army (in the books at least, I don't really remember if it happened in the show), where it was pretty obvious he knew what was happening, strategy-wise (he quickly realized he was at an exposed flank of the conflict, for example). Jaime may have not been interested in command when he was young, but his defeat at Whispering Wood taught him better, and he's a different man from before, who also showed some cunning, with the destruction of Highgarden. Jorah and Daenerys led a couple of sieges and large open field battles at Slaver's Bay. Jon received the same training as Robb and other Stark children, and he was learning from Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, he surely learned how to lead a large group of men in battle, not to mention he was in a number of large-scale battles (Battle of the Bastards, defense of the Wall etc.).
Does anyone know why NK was attacking? Just for sheer carnage or there's something more to it? And why he was so fixated on Bran? He wanted to just kill him (?), if so - what for? He didn't seem to do anything at all, except for sort of scouting?
For his purpose - to kill humans (the First Children created him to defend against humans), and I imagine as vengeance against the living for having been created in the first place. Bran specifically because Bran is the internet and every server that exists of Westeros. If he simply kills off mankind, the memory and history of mankind lives on through Bran/Three Eyed Raven, and the NK wants an endless night by way of erasing the memory and knowledge of humans.
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I don't agree. Some of them are knights from great houses, they had military training because of their highborn status, and not only how to use weapons, but in tactics and strategy, even if that isn't explicitly clear in the show.
As for Tyrion, he led the defense of King's Landing, and he led a host of Mountain Clans for the Lannister army (in the books at least, I don't really remember if it happened in the show), where it was pretty obvious he knew what was happening, strategy-wise (he quickly realized he was at an exposed flank of the conflict, for example). Jaime may have not been interested in command when he was young, but his defeat at Whispering Wood taught him better, and he's a different man from before, who also showed some cunning, with the destruction of Highgarden. Jorah and Daenerys led a couple of sieges and large open field battles at Slaver's Bay. Jon received the same training as Robb and other Stark children, and he was learning from Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, he surely learned how to lead a large group of men in battle, not to mention he was in a number of large-scale battles (Battle of the Bastards, defense of the Wall etc.).
The battle of the bastards actually illustrates that Jon is not a particularly good tactician.
I'm glad this has appeared. Can people tell me why GoT is hugely popular?
I've tried to like it, I really have. It's got Violence, Dragons, Intrigue, Nudity, Booze and Midgets. Everything I love about life.
And yet.... I bought into the hype, purchased Seasons 1-5 on BluRay, settled in got halfway through Season 1 Episode 3 and had to turn it off.
I hate it. All of it. And it's killing me. I should love it, I should be waiting in anticipation for the finale. And I'm not.
Please. Someone help me.
Why do I hate a show that has everything going for it?
🤔😶
Maybe you were looking for something that isn't there. I mean, the world has a deep history (if you read the books) and lore behind it. The idea was to have no one immune to 'plot devices' or be wearing 'story armor'. For me, the brutality of the first few seasons is why I stuck around. It shocked you because this wasn't like the old 1960s Batman TV show where they left you with a cliffhanger and the phrase 'Same Bat Time, Same Bat Channel', but you knew they would escape. They always did. Lots of campy fun.
This show was supposed to throw all of that out the window and say 'Hey, this is not your LOTR high fantasy story'. Anyone can die at anytime. Deal with it.
I am interested though, what is throwing you off? Can you point to things you do like at least?
sure, you're right :D ...but maybe that bad experience could've served as a learning opportunity, not to repeat it :D
Well I did hear an interesting theory on the battle, in which Dany reacts the way Jon did in the BOB... The failure of the dothraki charge causes an emotional response in her which leads her into rash action which jeopardizes the plan (which was never a traditional defensive strategy, but rather goading the NK to isolate himself). Jon ultimately follows her, which possibly is a repeat of the mistake, although he does return to his position which maybe shows some experience.
I am interested though, what is throwing you off? Can you point to things you do like at least?
There's a few things. The language used is archaic and comes across as odd to me. I get that it's a Fantasy Epic and all that, but it seems to me to be attempting a cross between Shakespeare and Boyz N The Hood. Most strange.
Then there's the fact that none of the characters gripped me. After a couple of hours of watching any show you should have at least some idea of favourites or characters that you want to see die in a cloud of body parts. I felt none of that.
GoT just leaves me cold and lifeless. I get why people like it, no, love it. I do. But it's just not for me I guess.
Although I do enjoy the Compilation video on YouTube of all the best deaths. And I like the soundtrack.
I am interested though, what is throwing you off? Can you point to things you do like at least?
There's a few things. The language used is archaic and comes across as odd to me. I get that it's a Fantasy Epic and all that, but it seems to me to be attempting a cross between Shakespeare and Boyz N The Hood. Most strange.
Then there's the fact that none of the characters gripped me. After a couple of hours of watching any show you should have at least some idea of favourites or characters that you want to see die in a cloud of body parts. I felt none of that.
GoT just leaves me cold and lifeless. I get why people like it, no, love it. I do. But it's just not for me I guess.
Although I do enjoy the Compilation video on YouTube of all the best deaths. And I like the soundtrack.
On language - while this IS medieval fantasy, they ARE humans, and are more likely to talk like normal people than a bunch of stereotypical Shakespearean characters ("doth thou protesteth blah blah blaheth")
On deaths - much of the show in the beginning is interesting because of politics and scandals, not because of deaths. Most. :) You can't have a satisfying death without a satisfying build up.
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I get it Kaladin, I do. But as I said, it just leaves me cold and bored. I know I'm in a minority of people that would rather watch American Horror Story, Ozark or Black Mirror.
I admit I haven't read the books, although I have them on my Kindle. The problem is I have around 800 books on my Kindle and only a limited amount of time.
Maybe if I read the books I'll find a greater appreciation of the Series. Let's be honest here, 10's of Millions of fans can't all be wrong. Right? 🤔
Dany, Tyrion, Jon, Jorah, Jaime, Brienne....none of these characters are trained in military tactics. Dany's experience has been "send in my army to kill things; take advice from Tyrion and Greyworm." Tyrion's experience is, "let's just be rational and logical." Jon's experience is 1v1'ing wildlings, white walkers, and wights. Jorah's experience is....what exactly? Jaime and Brienne are trained knights, not military tacticians.
yet they all had at least some combat experience and as seen in this thread you don't need to be a master general to point out the complete stupidity of their set up.
You do not need a military education to know that you should position your trebuchets literally anywhere but the frontlines so they don't become invalid the moment the enemy infantry arrives. Also that light cavalry shouldn't charge headfirst into an army you can't even see. They didn't even make proper use of fire despite having ample time for preparation and the knowledge that it would work.
It's just bad writing, there#s nothing more to excuse. It wasn't necessary from a plot standpoint, it didn't make sense with how the characters are established and it ended up being lazy. If they actually had them use a proper strategy built upon their knowledge of the situation you could even frame it like they were having a chance and then crush that when the NK just pulls his OP-ressurection and they get overwhelmed anyways.
They could have also made way more use of lighting and fire for dramatic effect. How cool would it have been if the entire battlefield had previously been prepped with multiple torches (for visibility and combat) and periodically we get bird'S view shots of the battlefield where we see the lights slowly fading to signify the army of the dead gaining ground.
But no, we had to have hectic battle scenes that are barely visible and despite basically having an hour of combat with all-star characters, we barely even get to see half of them. Did nobody want to see how Jamie and Brienne were doing throughout the battle? Apparently not, but Arya hogs all screentime because Melisandre decided she'S the McGuffin now
Well, another advantage is that this army doesn't have any fear. They don't get tired or demoralised. And they have no concern about dying. You'd be hard pressed to find a conventional army that would use a pyramid of bodies to cross dangerous terrain. They also had a dragon and a giant. Also, the night king doesn't have to worry about communication and organisation, since he can direct them without commanding officers who have to relay orders, etc. They don't need supplies or logistics re: camp planning, etc. So there are some unconventional advantages.
On the topic of complaints regarding poor battle tactics - Name one person in that group that has:
The only person who might have some military strategy is Davos, by way of his experience with Stannis, but Davos was a trusted friend and adviser, not a military commander. The group was doing the best they could. Their plan wasn't to defeat the NK's army on the battlefield anyways. And the Dothraki were merely doing what they've always done -
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Idk, I liked the episode even with all the plot armour, and the horrible strategy of the battle everyone else already mentioned (I just have to get it off my chest - if you have light cavalry (Dothraki are not really armoured knights, suitable for a frontal assault) and f***ing trebuchets, and you know the dead are coming in waves, shouldn't you try and cut a path of fire through them, separating them into smaller, more manageable pockets, and then just swoop in from the flanks with Dothraki and dragons - the Dothraki could've even tried and gone for the White Walkers, since killing them kills a part of the Wight army too...everyone already mentioned it I know, but the defenders had every advantage except numbers, the only reason I can see for the bad strategy is plot convenience and filming expenses.
With that out of the way, I seriously hope they explain the whole Children of the Forest - White Walkers - First Men conflict a bit more, giving Bran something to do...in the books, he is supposed to become the strongest warg there is, and the Others are a far more sinister threat imho - if they leave it at this, it will be the most over-hyped thing about the show, with the Night King dying without explaining his motives a bit more.
There were some epic, heroic (plot armour notwithstanding LUL) and sad moments, and the dark setting felt right to me...we as the viewers should feel uneasy about the whole thing, since after all, the darkness, cold and death come with the Others...so I still liked it and look forward to seeing Jaime murder Cersei heheh ;)
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In the Books, Jamie leads some pretty big armies in large battles. I think he had some in the show too (but maybe not this big). As for knowledge of the NK, nobody had that obviously, though I was a little surprised that after having Sam steal all those books from the Citadel, there wasn't something he found in there that would have helped make a big difference.
Does anyone know why NK was attacking? Just for sheer carnage or there's something more to it? And why he was so fixated on Bran? He wanted to just kill him (?), if so - what for? He didn't seem to do anything at all, except for sort of scouting?
Experience makes for a good commander, I agree, but it's more important while the battle is ongoing, to be able to adjust to the changes on the field (such as the blizzard that rendered the dragons partly useless) - in preparing the field and deploying the troops, I think they should have a lot of experience, divided among Tyrion, Daenerys, Jon, Jorah, Jaime, Brienne and others - they were all trained in the art of war and should know a thing or two about it, even if they didn't participate in large battles (and they have).
Regarding the knowledge about the Night King, I don't really get how they don't know a few things already - the wights should be torched and attacked mostly with normal weapons (I'd prefer it if they had more axes and hammers for those than swords and pikes), obsidian and valyrian steel weaponry is for confronting the White Walkers (who basically didn't even show up for the fight, except as a glorified honor-guard LUL), pushing an obsidian dagger into a giant's blue eye shouldn't really kill it but hey, they changed quite a lot of other stuff from the books so I don't really take it too seriously, it's just how it is...
You can't stop the signal.
Dany, Tyrion, Jon, Jorah, Jaime, Brienne....none of these characters are trained in military tactics. Dany's experience has been "send in my army to kill things; take advice from Tyrion and Greyworm." Tyrion's experience is, "let's just be rational and logical." Jon's experience is 1v1'ing wildlings, white walkers, and wights. Jorah's experience is....what exactly? Jaime and Brienne are trained knights, not military tacticians.
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I'm glad this has appeared. Can people tell me why GoT is hugely popular?
I've tried to like it, I really have. It's got Violence, Dragons, Intrigue, Nudity, Booze and Midgets. Everything I love about life.
And yet.... I bought into the hype, purchased Seasons 1-5 on BluRay, settled in got halfway through Season 1 Episode 3 and had to turn it off.
I hate it. All of it. And it's killing me. I should love it, I should be waiting in anticipation for the finale. And I'm not.
Please. Someone help me.
Why do I hate a show that has everything going for it?
🤔😶
4/3/19 RIP Keith Flint. 😔
Because he wants to kill Bran. I mean, don't we all?
I don't agree. Some of them are knights from great houses, they had military training because of their highborn status, and not only how to use weapons, but in tactics and strategy, even if that isn't explicitly clear in the show.
As for Tyrion, he led the defense of King's Landing, and he led a host of Mountain Clans for the Lannister army (in the books at least, I don't really remember if it happened in the show), where it was pretty obvious he knew what was happening, strategy-wise (he quickly realized he was at an exposed flank of the conflict, for example). Jaime may have not been interested in command when he was young, but his defeat at Whispering Wood taught him better, and he's a different man from before, who also showed some cunning, with the destruction of Highgarden. Jorah and Daenerys led a couple of sieges and large open field battles at Slaver's Bay. Jon received the same training as Robb and other Stark children, and he was learning from Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, he surely learned how to lead a large group of men in battle, not to mention he was in a number of large-scale battles (Battle of the Bastards, defense of the Wall etc.).
You can't stop the signal.
For his purpose - to kill humans (the First Children created him to defend against humans), and I imagine as vengeance against the living for having been created in the first place. Bran specifically because Bran is the internet and every server that exists of Westeros. If he simply kills off mankind, the memory and history of mankind lives on through Bran/Three Eyed Raven, and the NK wants an endless night by way of erasing the memory and knowledge of humans.
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The battle of the bastards actually illustrates that Jon is not a particularly good tactician.
Maybe you were looking for something that isn't there. I mean, the world has a deep history (if you read the books) and lore behind it. The idea was to have no one immune to 'plot devices' or be wearing 'story armor'. For me, the brutality of the first few seasons is why I stuck around. It shocked you because this wasn't like the old 1960s Batman TV show where they left you with a cliffhanger and the phrase 'Same Bat Time, Same Bat Channel', but you knew they would escape. They always did. Lots of campy fun.
This show was supposed to throw all of that out the window and say 'Hey, this is not your LOTR high fantasy story'. Anyone can die at anytime. Deal with it.
I am interested though, what is throwing you off? Can you point to things you do like at least?
sure, you're right :D ...but maybe that bad experience could've served as a learning opportunity, not to repeat it :D
You can't stop the signal.
Well I did hear an interesting theory on the battle, in which Dany reacts the way Jon did in the BOB... The failure of the dothraki charge causes an emotional response in her which leads her into rash action which jeopardizes the plan (which was never a traditional defensive strategy, but rather goading the NK to isolate himself). Jon ultimately follows her, which possibly is a repeat of the mistake, although he does return to his position which maybe shows some experience.
There's a few things. The language used is archaic and comes across as odd to me. I get that it's a Fantasy Epic and all that, but it seems to me to be attempting a cross between Shakespeare and Boyz N The Hood. Most strange.
Then there's the fact that none of the characters gripped me. After a couple of hours of watching any show you should have at least some idea of favourites or characters that you want to see die in a cloud of body parts. I felt none of that.
GoT just leaves me cold and lifeless. I get why people like it, no, love it. I do. But it's just not for me I guess.
Although I do enjoy the Compilation video on YouTube of all the best deaths. And I like the soundtrack.
4/3/19 RIP Keith Flint. 😔
On language - while this IS medieval fantasy, they ARE humans, and are more likely to talk like normal people than a bunch of stereotypical Shakespearean characters ("doth thou protesteth blah blah blaheth")
On deaths - much of the show in the beginning is interesting because of politics and scandals, not because of deaths. Most. :) You can't have a satisfying death without a satisfying build up.
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I get it Kaladin, I do. But as I said, it just leaves me cold and bored. I know I'm in a minority of people that would rather watch American Horror Story, Ozark or Black Mirror.
I admit I haven't read the books, although I have them on my Kindle. The problem is I have around 800 books on my Kindle and only a limited amount of time.
Maybe if I read the books I'll find a greater appreciation of the Series. Let's be honest here, 10's of Millions of fans can't all be wrong. Right? 🤔
4/3/19 RIP Keith Flint. 😔
yet they all had at least some combat experience and as seen in this thread you don't need to be a master general to point out the complete stupidity of their set up.
You do not need a military education to know that you should position your trebuchets literally anywhere but the frontlines so they don't become invalid the moment the enemy infantry arrives. Also that light cavalry shouldn't charge headfirst into an army you can't even see. They didn't even make proper use of fire despite having ample time for preparation and the knowledge that it would work.
It's just bad writing, there#s nothing more to excuse. It wasn't necessary from a plot standpoint, it didn't make sense with how the characters are established and it ended up being lazy. If they actually had them use a proper strategy built upon their knowledge of the situation you could even frame it like they were having a chance and then crush that when the NK just pulls his OP-ressurection and they get overwhelmed anyways.
They could have also made way more use of lighting and fire for dramatic effect. How cool would it have been if the entire battlefield had previously been prepped with multiple torches (for visibility and combat) and periodically we get bird'S view shots of the battlefield where we see the lights slowly fading to signify the army of the dead gaining ground.
But no, we had to have hectic battle scenes that are barely visible and despite basically having an hour of combat with all-star characters, we barely even get to see half of them. Did nobody want to see how Jamie and Brienne were doing throughout the battle? Apparently not, but Arya hogs all screentime because Melisandre decided she'S the McGuffin now
I tried having fun once. It was awful.
This episode was a fucking shitshow