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People can argue that patron warrior was just as annoying to play against(I disagree with this statement, but that's just my personal opinion), but at least the difficulty in piloting the deck made it so you only ran into this issue with it on the higher legend rankings.

tl;dr: SP is not OK. If people want to play it because they enjoy it, I guess that cannot be stopped. But I'm willing to wager the 30% or so of the current HS population that has shifted to maining SP eversince TGT came out aren't doing it because they find it fun. We all know the game would only benefit from the deck being deleted from existence, so let's stop pretending otherwise. Ironically enough, blizzard will probably turn MC into a 4/4 and still keep the deck viable unlike what they did to patron, which is just a shame because PW is a deck I would have been glad to keep in the game(even if it needed to be nerfed) whereas I wouldn't care at all if they changed MC's battlecry into: your hero takes 30 damage to face.

 What exactly does a post-Secret Paladin meta look like, exactly?

 Well let's see here...

For one thing I think regular handlock would make a come back and hyper aggro decks would become weaker(also due to the fact that control warrior would become more common without SP).

 

The only hyper aggro deck Control Warrior actually has a favorable matchup against is Face Hunter, which is shit right now. Control Warrior is designed to outlast midrange and control decks, not aggro. Face Shaman has more than enough reach and super efficient minions to get through.

But I highly doubt aggro would be as prevalent, since most common aggro decks right now are built specifically to target SP.

Let's see, we have Face Shaman and Aggro Druid, and Aggro Druid is actually struggling a bit right now anyways. Face Shaman will do just fine even if SP gets nerfed, it has a lot of good matchups. It's not just some counter deck.

Midrange druid could possibly become a bit too powerful, considering SP is currently the deck that holds it back the most

As long as midrange druid has ramp, it can easily outvalue Secret Paladin. Not terribly consistent, but hey, a turn 6 MC isn't a guarantee either.

It's not that deleting SP would necessarily hurt the meta, the question is if it's a guarantee removing SP will help. I'm all for letting the meta work itself out rather than nerfing anything with a modicrum of power (people are seriously clamoring for cards like Shielded Minibot to get nerfed, what the fuck?) at the drop of a hat. Believe me, I'm playing Patron Warrior, and I'm seeing a lot more RenoLock than SP and isn't RenoLock supposed to be bad against SP?

It's not that I have an answer to what the meta will look like, it's that in spite of your condescending arrogance and insistence that you must be right 100%, you don't actually have an answer either.

 Man, literally every single day you see another thread pop up of SP being "OP ZOMFG NERF I FACE IT ALL THE TIME". I have a friend who used to play every day and now hardly ever logs in and he claims it's due to SP making HS a boring game. So yes, you're damn right that I 100% believe that the game would be better off without the deck around.

Maybe you are correct in saying that I don't exactly know what the meta would look like either(admittedly making meta predictions before a major change to the game is not that easy to do) but the fact is that there is actually no deck in the game that genuinely feels like it hinders my fun the way SP does, and most decks that are weak against it are decks that I consider have a place in the game and are completely healthy for the meta(especially handlock).

By the way, I play face shaman and I'll be the first to admit that it should be next in line after SP for the nerf bat(I personally consider it to be the best deck in the game).

 It may not be fun for you, but there are more than two hearthstone players online. And I'm sure more than two are having their fun ruined by the deck too. But that's gonna be the case for any top-tier deck (just look at the salty thread to see people who had their fun ruined by everything from Combo Druid to Control Priest) and that's just the minority of people who even go on a forum. It's annoying to face, but that alone isn't a reason to nerf a deck (the real reason is if it's warping the whole metagame around itself, which is currently debatable).

 The thing is, you do not face control priest or combo druid on 30% of the games you play on ladder. I personally find druid nearly as annoying as SP(mostly because I love playing freeze mage), but I accept it as a balanced deck that has its place in the game. How people complain about control priest is beyond me, lol.

I think it was stronger earlier on before LOE was introduced. Now there are so many mechanics and new cards to bring it down a notch. I'm not saying SP isn't good; it definitely is. I just don't see it as bad as say Pre-nerf Patron Warrior was (in skilled hands). I don't play the deck myself, and when I did back in September I ran similar win rates to what you're stating.

I honestly prefer to play against SP rather than Priest, Renolocks and Freeze Mages. Those matchups are far more frustrating.

I'm not sure what's cute about my statement? I did say it's an easy deck to pilot, but not everyone who plays it will reach legend, just like everyone who plays Face Hunter/Shaman isn't going to reach legend. Good players will run good rates with just about any deck out there, so that's a moot point. SP is an easy match up if you're any smart about proccing the secrets and knowing when to worry about their board or go face. With Midrange combo druid this season I'm running a 70% win rate, with the OTK priest I haven't lost to one, and with Renolock I'm around 80% going back and counting December's games (I do play a large amount of games on my cell phone so those games aren't tracked). A lot of the games I win with < 5 health and would've been toast the next turn, but that doesn't matter if their life total hits 0 first lol

I would note that the rage about SP may also depend at what rank you play. I finished off last season around ranks 13-16 in North America, and 16-18 on EU, and I have seen very few Secret Paladin opponents. I have run into a lot of Paladins, but they are mainly midrange or Murloc. I play on an iPad, so I do not have tracking statistics, but I run into way more Priests than Paladins. As a result, I have no idea how my decks match up against the deck; my few games against it were blow outs one way or another (and my losses were generally bad draws). If I did not read the rage about it on this site, I would not have even been aware that it was a popular deck.

I got a MC in a pack, and decided to craft the second to see what the deck was like (although I am missing a couple of cards, like Tyrion), since I did not have a Paladin deck. Although MC was pretty powerful when he came down, the rest of the curve did not seem particularly overpowered compared to other decks that I have played. In the few games that I played with each, I actually found Renolock easier to play than Secret Paladin (but that may reflect the fact that most of my wins have been with Warlock decks).

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I actually found Renolock easier to play than Secret Paladin (but that may reflect the fact that most of my wins have been with Warlock decks).

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Imo the problem is Divine Favor. 

 This guy gets it.

"Mysterious Challenger is balanced because it makes you put shitty 1 mana secrets in your deck."

Remember when people used to say this? Now while I wouldn't use the word balanced, the statement still holds some water. While the card is strong, in most situations, playing around secrets are not that difficult.

Gaining an advantage for your opponent being ahead on card advantage almost the same as pre-nerf Starving Buzzard getting an advantage for being ahead on board in tandem with Unleash the Hounds.

You'd be like "ok, his card is empty! He's exhausted his resources like any shitty face deck would. Time to win!"
He just vomits his hard, plays that and says "lol nope."

I feel like it's legit the Warsong Commander of Secret Paladin or any aggro variant of Paladin.

 I agree, because every single SP list is running DF... Oh wait...

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Imo the problem is Divine Favor. 

 This guy gets it.

"Mysterious Challenger is balanced because it makes you put shitty 1 mana secrets in your deck."

Remember when people used to say this? Now while I wouldn't use the word balanced, the statement still holds some water. While the card is strong, in most situations, playing around secrets are not that difficult.

Gaining an advantage for your opponent being ahead on card advantage almost the same as pre-nerf Starving Buzzard getting an advantage for being ahead on board in tandem with Unleash the Hounds.

You'd be like "ok, his card is empty! He's exhausted his resources like any shitty face deck would. Time to win!"
He just vomits his hard, plays that and says "lol nope."

I feel like it's legit the Warsong Commander of Secret Paladin or any aggro variant of Paladin.

 I agree, because every single SP list is running DF... Oh wait...

Witty sarcasm? Oh you smaht, you very smaht.

I'm pretty sure the strongest, most consistent variant is running it. 

I have no other qualms about the deck because Control Priest beats it so bad it's not funny.

Take away Divine Favor and they will NEED to draw perfectly to stand a chance.

Ostkaka got rank 1 legend with SP not long ago, and guess what? His list had no DF and ran a lot of unusual cards like ragnaros(if you don't believe me, look it up). DF is certainly a decent card in the deck, but it's by no means an auto include, and nerfing it would certainly not be enough to make the deck OK.

But then again judging by a lot of the bullshit in your post, you likely play at the lower rankings where most people use the aggressive variant of SP(which has long since been proven to be strictly worse) and that's probably why most people are using DF against you as that is INDEED a common card on that version.

Oh I believe you. Indeed I'm low ranked atm, rank 15 to be exact, I'll get legend later. My post is bullshit because I'm not referring to Ostkaka? lol. Please get off your edgy high horse. Yes most of the S. Pallies I see running around down here are using it, putting "indeed" in caps certainly gave me a new found understanding of the meta game, thanks friend, for proving my point.

Judging on the policies by which Blizzard have nerfed cards before, I'd say Divine Favor falls right inline. If you think Dr. 6 is the real problem like many others, you're entitled to your opinion.

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Ostkaka got rank 1 legend with SP not long ago, and guess what? His list had no DF and ran a lot of unusual cards like ragnaros(if you don't believe me, look it up). DF is certainly a decent card in the deck, but it's by no means an auto include, and nerfing it would certainly not be enough to make the deck OK.

But then again judging by a lot of the bullshit in your post, you likely play at the lower rankings where most people use the aggressive variant of SP(which has long since been proven to be strictly worse) and that's probably why most people are using DF against you as that is INDEED a common card on that version.

Oh I believe you. Indeed I'm low ranked atm, rank 15 to be exact, I'll get legend later. My post is bullshit because I'm not referring to Ostkaka? lol. Please get off your edgy high horse. Yes most of the S. Pallies I see running around down here are using it, putting "indeed" in caps certainly gave me a new found understanding of the meta game, thanks friend, for proving my point.

Judging on the policies by which Blizzard have nerfed cards before, I'd say Divine Favor falls right inline. If you think Dr. 6 is the real problem like many others, you're entitled to your opinion.

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Ostkaka got rank 1 legend with SP not long ago, and guess what? His list had no DF and ran a lot of unusual cards like ragnaros(if you don't believe me, look it up). DF is certainly a decent card in the deck, but it's by no means an auto include, and nerfing it would certainly not be enough to make the deck OK.

But then again judging by a lot of the bullshit in your post, you likely play at the lower rankings where most people use the aggressive variant of SP(which has long since been proven to be strictly worse) and that's probably why most people are using DF against you as that is INDEED a common card on that version.

Oh I believe you. Indeed I'm low ranked atm, rank 15 to be exact, I'll get legend later. My post is bullshit because I'm not referring to Ostkaka? lol. Please get off your edgy high horse. Yes most of the S. Pallies I see running around down here are using it, putting "indeed" in caps certainly gave me a new found understanding of the meta game, thanks friend, for proving my point.

Judging on the policies by which Blizzard have nerfed cards before, I'd say Divine Favor falls right inline. If you think Dr. 6 is the real problem like many others, you're entitled to your opinion.

Thing it's NOT an opinion, it's fact. Literally no one at legend ranks uses DF as anything but a one off(and most people don't even use it at all anymore, and mostly treat it as a tech choice against slower metas). Furthermore nobody made a big deal of the card before TGT. I guess you think this means DF has been a broken card since beta of hearthstone right?

If the competitive players who use the deck to climb to rank one do not use the card in their deck lists, how can you say that the deck will not be broken if you nerf DF?It's common sense, not a matter of opinion.

Oh by the way, congratulations on being rank 15 on the 5th of the season. I'm currently rank 7 and I'm playing against people who were legend before the reset(you know, like I was too). Want to know how many SP's I saw using DF since I started climbing? One. And yes, I do face SP in over 30% of my games. So excuse me but I'll stick to saying that your  completely unfounded opinion on the the card is irrelevant.

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Ostkaka got rank 1 legend with SP not long ago, and guess what? His list had no DF and ran a lot of unusual cards like ragnaros(if you don't believe me, look it up). DF is certainly a decent card in the deck, but it's by no means an auto include, and nerfing it would certainly not be enough to make the deck OK.

But then again judging by a lot of the bullshit in your post, you likely play at the lower rankings where most people use the aggressive variant of SP(which has long since been proven to be strictly worse) and that's probably why most people are using DF against you as that is INDEED a common card on that version.

Oh I believe you. Indeed I'm low ranked atm, rank 15 to be exact, I'll get legend later. My post is bullshit because I'm not referring to Ostkaka? lol. Please get off your edgy high horse. Yes most of the S. Pallies I see running around down here are using it, putting "indeed" in caps certainly gave me a new found understanding of the meta game, thanks friend, for proving my point.

Judging on the policies by which Blizzard have nerfed cards before, I'd say Divine Favor falls right inline. If you think Dr. 6 is the real problem like many others, you're entitled to your opinion.

Thing it's NOT an opinion, it's fact. Literally no one at legend ranks uses DF as anything but a one off(and most people don't even use it at all anymore, and mostly treat it as a tech choice against slower metas). Furthermore nobody made a big deal of the card before TGT. I guess you think this means DF has been a broken card since beta of hearthstone right?

If the competitive players who use the deck to climb to rank one do not use the card in their deck lists, how can you say that the deck will not be broken if you nerf DF?It's common sense, not a matter of opinion.

Oh by the way, congratulations on being rank 15 on the 5th of the season. I'm currently rank 7 and I'm playing against people who were legend before the reset(you know, like I was too). Want to know how many SP's I saw using DF since I started climbing? One. And yes, I do face SP in over 30% of my games. So excuse me but I'll stick to saying that your  completely unfounded opinion on the the card is irrelevant.

Look it up, there were threads about it long before TGT was released, so no it's not a problem all of a sudden. The cancer that is/was aggro Paladin is proof enough, not just S. Pally. I don't know how the card being a 'one of' isn't saying that it's STILL used in legend rank, tech choice or whatever you add to justify your silly point, it's being used is it not? What is everyone netdecking off this site right now then? Honestly, your desperation to disprove the obvious is just sad. 

I'll assume my 'unfounded' opinion was formed the same as yours, by experience. In your experience you only saw it once. Once was enough for me to know it's stupidly designed. Though I must say I'm not nearly as invested in you are in this game or even this website, so you must certainly know it all.

tl;dr: Secret Pally usually wins if it gets a perfect curve and usually loses if it doesn't. This isn't a healthy deck to have in the game as there is no skill involved in curving out, yet you can still win by doing it.

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AND WHEN IT CURVES PERFECTLY and being a paladin it has the best mana per slot of all cards in the game (Mini bot -> mustard -> shredder -> loatheb -> MC -> Boom -> tirion) you auto win. The only class that can even come close to countering that, is freeze mage. But only if it has the forsight to pre doomsayer.

It is boring to play against.