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Hold onto it, until it become relevant again. Not great right now. Too slow

 Malygos Freeze Mage, MalyLock, and Malygos Rogue are very viable, so no. OP give MalyLock a try, it's not good against aggro but it beats up almost everything else.

 Show me one Malygos deck that's really doing well right now ... 

It is too slow. OP can find out for himself easily. No point saying something is great, when it' not. Are you even playing HS at the moment? There's nothing BUT aggro littering the ladder. So no ... I repeat, hold on to it, until it becomes relevant again. 

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Hold onto it, until it become relevant again. Not great right now. Too slow

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It's possible you lucked it to that #67 you mention every thread ... with that secret Paladin deck, and now you're struggling to hold on. I have seen #6K+ legend ranks. Those players would be right back to non legend rank 10 in a flash if they weren't locked in to legend rank. 

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Justicar Trueheart is considered probably the most used legendary of TGT. I believe it's run in most Warrior decks, and also sees play in Priest and Paladin.

 

But across the board, does anyone know what is the average number of times that Justicar Trueheart's upgraded hero power is used by one player per game?

1. The best replacement is Mounted Raptor... which is from LoE. You probably should get the full expansions.

2. Save the dust, but if you open him in a pack, don't dust him. He's not vital for any strategies, but he's a pretty good option.

Yeah the card that requires a lot of other combo pieces in a class with the third worst draw in the game is really scaring me. If this was a Rogue or Mage card I could see your point but come on man, Paladin has really mediocre draw. And of course it's gonna beat up on super-slow control decks with limited lifegain, that's what combo decks are usually designed to do.

Both are pretty good. GPW is very strong against Aggro Shaman unless they draw the nuts and is about 50/50 with Secret Paladin. It also beats up Midrange Druid with a full board of patrons by turn 5, but struggles against Renolock. Control Priest can struggle against Aggro Shaman unless it is teched very strongly for the early game, but usually beats up Secret Paladin pretty well. It's only 50/50 against Druid and is more or less awful against Renolock, although Entomb can help the matchup.

It depends on what's more important for you to beat. Midrange Druid and Aggro Shaman? Go with Patron Warrior. Secret Paladin? Go with Control Priest.

Midrange Hunter isn't bad but it's still not great, although Highmane into Boom is still one of the strongest curves in the game. Face Hunter is just outclassed in every regard right now, and unless an aggro deck arises that Face Shaman can't handle it's not likely to change.

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My god - why do I have to keep running into weirdo, fuckhead Mage decks?  Freeze, Spell, echo, fuck, fuck, fuck.  It makes the game SUCK.  Go away, leaveme alone with your asshole faggot deck and learn to play the fucking game like normal people.

Geezus Crust.... enough.....

 mikey, I want to know how not to be a weirdo fuckhead total asshole faggot in hearthstone, please teach me what decks are good to play

 Ill tel you what NOT to play:  Freeze Mage, Mill Rogue, Reno decks, Spel Mage, or any other weird shit.  Does that help?

You'll need directions to Blizzard headquarters, an appointment with Ben Brode, and some kneepads. You'll be a famous pro-gamer afterwards, and then some.

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My god - why do I have to keep running into weirdo, fuckhead Mage decks?  Freeze, Spell, echo, fuck, fuck, fuck.  It makes the game SUCK.  Go away, leaveme alone with your asshole faggot deck and learn to play the fucking game like normal people.

Geezus Crust.... enough.....

It's probably 1-3. Unless you're playing a completely unviable deck like mill decks, you probably just need more experience. Learn from your losses and learn the meta, those are your two best bets so far.

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if you are a rope burner, more so if you choose to selective torture certain group of people, you deserve to have your acc stolen, all items in all games deleted, forums filled by terrorirst pedo hatespeech and reported to FBI, then hit by car and being grounded by your mother becouse retarded kids shouldnt be on the internet alone like you just were

 

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People can argue that patron warrior was just as annoying to play against(I disagree with this statement, but that's just my personal opinion), but at least the difficulty in piloting the deck made it so you only ran into this issue with it on the higher legend rankings.

tl;dr: SP is not OK. If people want to play it because they enjoy it, I guess that cannot be stopped. But I'm willing to wager the 30% or so of the current HS population that has shifted to maining SP eversince TGT came out aren't doing it because they find it fun. We all know the game would only benefit from the deck being deleted from existence, so let's stop pretending otherwise. Ironically enough, blizzard will probably turn MC into a 4/4 and still keep the deck viable unlike what they did to patron, which is just a shame because PW is a deck I would have been glad to keep in the game(even if it needed to be nerfed) whereas I wouldn't care at all if they changed MC's battlecry into: your hero takes 30 damage to face.

 What exactly does a post-Secret Paladin meta look like, exactly?

 Well let's see here...

For one thing I think regular handlock would make a come back and hyper aggro decks would become weaker(also due to the fact that control warrior would become more common without SP).

 

The only hyper aggro deck Control Warrior actually has a favorable matchup against is Face Hunter, which is shit right now. Control Warrior is designed to outlast midrange and control decks, not aggro. Face Shaman has more than enough reach and super efficient minions to get through.

But I highly doubt aggro would be as prevalent, since most common aggro decks right now are built specifically to target SP.

Let's see, we have Face Shaman and Aggro Druid, and Aggro Druid is actually struggling a bit right now anyways. Face Shaman will do just fine even if SP gets nerfed, it has a lot of good matchups. It's not just some counter deck.

Midrange druid could possibly become a bit too powerful, considering SP is currently the deck that holds it back the most

As long as midrange druid has ramp, it can easily outvalue Secret Paladin. Not terribly consistent, but hey, a turn 6 MC isn't a guarantee either.

It's not that deleting SP would necessarily hurt the meta, the question is if it's a guarantee removing SP will help. I'm all for letting the meta work itself out rather than nerfing anything with a modicrum of power (people are seriously clamoring for cards like Shielded Minibot to get nerfed, what the fuck?) at the drop of a hat. Believe me, I'm playing Patron Warrior, and I'm seeing a lot more RenoLock than SP and isn't RenoLock supposed to be bad against SP?

It's not that I have an answer to what the meta will look like, it's that in spite of your condescending arrogance and insistence that you must be right 100%, you don't actually have an answer either.

 Man, literally every single day you see another thread pop up of SP being "OP ZOMFG NERF I FACE IT ALL THE TIME". I have a friend who used to play every day and now hardly ever logs in and he claims it's due to SP making HS a boring game. So yes, you're damn right that I 100% believe that the game would be better off without the deck around.

Maybe you are correct in saying that I don't exactly know what the meta would look like either(admittedly making meta predictions before a major change to the game is not that easy to do) but the fact is that there is actually no deck in the game that genuinely feels like it hinders my fun the way SP does, and most decks that are weak against it are decks that I consider have a place in the game and are completely healthy for the meta(especially handlock).

By the way, I play face shaman and I'll be the first to admit that it should be next in line after SP for the nerf bat(I personally consider it to be the best deck in the game).

 It may not be fun for you, but there are more than two hearthstone players online. And I'm sure more than two are having their fun ruined by the deck too. But that's gonna be the case for any top-tier deck (just look at the salty thread to see people who had their fun ruined by everything from Combo Druid to Control Priest) and that's just the minority of people who even go on a forum. It's annoying to face, but that alone isn't a reason to nerf a deck (the real reason is if it's warping the whole metagame around itself, which is currently debatable).

 The thing is, you do not face control priest or combo druid on 30% of the games you play on ladder. I personally find druid nearly as annoying as SP(mostly because I love playing freeze mage), but I accept it as a balanced deck that has its place in the game. How people complain about control priest is beyond me, lol.