Without Hearthstone, the community wouldn't exist, but without a community, Hearthstone would be nothing. So yeah, which of them is more important to you?
Honesty, I spend much more time here on Hearthpwn than playing the goddamn game and I truly wish we were more united, so my vote is on the community. Many of us don't know each other except for an avatar and walls of text, but some of us have been here for so long and interacted with so many hearthpwners that the community is already part of our lives. I will not go into much detail to avoid being annoying, so I wish you all Merry Christmas and Happy New Year in advance. :)
Definitely the game. I would love for Hearthstone to be a true community, but there's a difference between a forum and true interaction in game. Blizzard was probably smart in that so many people are so triggered by BM and other rude behavior that they don't even want a chat function between opponents. This remains the only game I have ever played, including all other Blizzard games, where it is impossible to chat with the person you're playing against.
Absent that, there is no real community as far as I'm concerned.
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Definitely the game. I would love for Hearthstone to be a true community, but there's a difference between a forum and true interaction in game. Blizzard was probably smart in that so many people are so triggered by BM and other rude behavior that they don't even want a chat function between opponents. This remains the only game I have ever played, including all other Blizzard games, where it is impossible to chat with the person you're playing against.
Absent that, there is no real community as far as I'm concerned.
Community does not exist in my opinion. For a community to exist there should be in game interaction.
I like this forum and some other forums and sites but that's about it. I see the game more as an individual game. Everyone for themselves kind of way
Jeez, people, an insane amount of people have interacted on the forums and other sites with each other every damn day for years, and you dare say the community doesn't exist? Give me a f..king break... I don't want to get mad, but Jesus Christ, please...
Well, the computer game that I most grew up on was Starcraft: Brood War. In addition to being another Blizzard title (and thus kind of relevant to compare), SC: BW can generally be considered the granddaddy of most esports and online gaming tournaments as they exist today (there is an MMO offshoot that can most rightfully be credited to World of Warcraft, but Brood War influenced almost everything else). Part of the reason the game was so influential was the depth of play and general longevity of the RTS genre. But, that can't explain it all.
Of course, today, Brood War and SC2 have many forum sites and out-of-game internet resources. But that wasn't always the case. Back in the day, the first friendships and groups of playtest partners came together solely from finding each other on the Battle net. People didn't have the inflated egos that come with streaming and publicized replays; they just wanted to get better. Next thing you know, I have three good friends who live in Russia, Mexico, and South Korea, all regularly meeting up in IRC and AIM to play and get better. None of that would have happened without the ability to talk to an opponent. I would strike up a conversation with someone who had done something new or had an interesting unit composition and talk about it, sometimes in the midst of still playing a game against the guy. Granted, some people were too cool for school and wouldn't interact with you, but that has generally been the exception, not the norm.
Now, in Hearthstone, I frequently try to friend a person after a match, and the results are as follows: A good 95% of the time (this is not a made-up statistic, I started keeping track for fun in 2018), the request is ignored. For one thing, you basically have to have lost the game; NO ONE accepts a request from someone who just beat them. Of the 5% who accept, a good half of them say something involving a lot of cursing and insults and then block me before I manage to type my first message. So, out of a hundred opponents, 2 or 3 actually allow you to communicate the first sentence. From there, the sky is the limit. However, I've gotten so jaded at the weak character of folks who are so terrified of trash talk, they won't even allow you to speak to them, I have a hard time getting invested enough to try anymore.
For me, a community of gamers have to have actually played the game together and have some common experience. It's not enough to interact on a forum. One reason for this is that I just don't think we're having the same experience. I'll read a forum post about how this game is all luck and no skill, and I ask the person, "what is the highest rank in legend you've ever finished?" A lot of times they will claim to have some very high finish, but I have no reason to believe this because I haven't met the person on the ladder (despite frequently being in the top 100-200 legend) and if they have truly finished as high as I have, I find it difficult to believe their experience is one of only luck. It certainly hasn't been my experience, though we ostensibly are playing the game at the same level.
So, that is my signature wall of text on the subject of community. I have to look elsewhere for true gaming communities, and believe me, they are out there. I recently discovered World of Warships, which, though an incredibly expensive freemium game, has the distinct advantage of being populated primarily with 30 something men, mostly with military backgrounds. It's a wonderful group of people with whom to interact. I can't find that here.
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I think there is obviously a Hearthpwn community. It just seems like that community is based on argument and general complaints, rather than anything to do with playing a game.
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Well, the computer game that I most grew up on was Starcraft: Brood War. In addition to being another Blizzard title (and thus kind of relevant to compare), SC: BW can generally be considered the granddaddy of most esports and online gaming tournaments as they exist today (there is an MMO offshoot that can most rightfully be credited to World of Warcraft, but Brood War influenced almost everything else). Part of the reason the game was so influential was the depth of play and general longevity of the RTS genre. But, that can't explain it all.
Of course, today, Brood War and SC2 have many forum sites and out-of-game internet resources. But that wasn't always the case. Back in the day, the first friendships and groups of playtest partners came together solely from finding each other on the Battle net. People didn't have the inflated egos that come with streaming and publicized replays; they just wanted to get better. Next thing you know, I have three good friends who live in Russia, Mexico, and South Korea, all regularly meeting up in IRC and AIM to play and get better. None of that would have happened without the ability to talk to an opponent. I would strike up a conversation with someone who had done something new or had an interesting unit composition and talk about it, sometimes in the midst of still playing a game against the guy. Granted, some people were too cool for school and wouldn't interact with you, but that has generally been the exception, not the norm.
Now, in Hearthstone, I frequently try to friend a person after a match, and the results are as follows: A good 95% of the time (this is not a made-up statistic, I started keeping track for fun in 2018), the request is ignored. For one thing, you basically have to have lost the game; NO ONE accepts a request from someone who just beat them. Of the 5% who accept, a good half of them say something involving a lot of cursing and insults and then block me before I manage to type my first message. So, out of a hundred opponents, 2 or 3 actually allow you to communicate the first sentence. From there, the sky is the limit. However, I've gotten so jaded at the weak character of folks who are so terrified of trash talk, they won't even allow you to speak to them, I have a hard time getting invested enough to try anymore.
For me, a community of gamers have to have actually played the game together and have some common experience. It's not enough to interact on a forum. One reason for this is that I just don't think we're having the same experience. I'll read a forum post about how this game is all luck and no skill, and I ask the person, "what is the highest rank in legend you've ever finished?" A lot of times they will claim to have some very high finish, but I have no reason to believe this because I haven't met the person on the ladder (despite frequently being in the top 100-200 legend) and if they have truly finished as high as I have, I find it difficult to believe their experience is one of only luck. It certainly hasn't been my experience, though we ostensibly are playing the game at the same level.
So, that is my signature wall of text on the subject of community. I have to look elsewhere for true gaming communities, and believe me, they are out there. I recently discovered World of Warships, which, though an incredibly expensive freemium game, has the distinct advantage of being populated primarily with 30 something men, mostly with military backgrounds. It's a wonderful group of people with whom to interact. I can't find that here.
Ok, that was a good explanation and I welcome it, but honesty, that's just your point of view and in game experience. If you want to make some good internet friends, you can always just add someone you like from the forums.
I think there is obviously a Hearthpwn community. It just seems like that community is based on argument and general complaints, rather than anything to do with playing a game.
Hey, I have an idea, do you wanna add me to Battle.net? I'm pretty sure we play on the same server. :P
The game, not even close. There are some good members of this community but in my experience they are the minority. It's probably the most toxic, negative community I've witnessed. Fifa gives it a run for its money but even those forums have way more positive discussion, help, guides etc.
back in the days I made quite a bit of buddies playing hearthstone, in real life as well as online just adding an opponent... some of them I still talk with today but they have all quit hearthstone by now, due to it being super expensive and hostile towards new players or taking a break from the rat race of buying every expansion
these days there is no friendships to be made in hearthstone however, the randomness makes people laugh, maybe... (if you a streamer seeking being fake positive) but i see most people get super upset and or biter about these unfair seeming loses, where you most likely lose to cards that where properly not even in the opponents deck to begin with (so you can not give them any credit for reading the meta and including them, or holding on to a card because you had no seen that other card from his deck yet, all those type of strategy dismissions that used to be in the game, where only fractured remains are left, shallow husk of what used to be
also the insane low curve aggro meta, how can you compliment someone for that when it is so oppressively good? (and i think aggro should in general be better than combo / control) but in reallity, there is no praise to give someone for playing only 1-3 mana cards in their deck and never running out of gas due to bad card design (or as i suspect (phone friendly hyper aggro design) made to boost the phone players
all the randomness of hearthstone makes it so there is nothing to talk about other than maybe "lol that was random, what is the chance of that" and i dont know many people who can have that conversation more than once or twice before that song and dance gets old aswell
something I found beautiful back in the days was how basically the two first turns where pretty much skipped with hero powering, setting up for the real actions, these days that is not gonna happen due to the insanely strong low curve aggro
there was also aggro before. but it was never as oppressive as this and midrange where in generally better because it would not lose to control like aggro would, now aggro beats control due to insalely low curve consistency beats midrange for same reason and absolutely dominates combo... aggro only loses to aggro (in general ofc) this game is a numbers game after all
I watch more HS than play so I vote for community but HS game has no social features like clans/guilds, so the sense of community is definitely very weak as compared to many other games. Also in old days we had lot more community driven things like podcasts, tournaments etc, these days we hardly see those especially in constructed.
Granted, I have friended a few folk from this forum, I don't know. It just loses some of the luster if you can't talk to your opponents.
I don't know if you guys watched any of Day[9]'s stuff from back before Hearthstone. He was never a very good Hearthstone player, but he was an American champion of Starcraft at one point. His whole streaming career started in SC. And I remember he would always talk about how he weirded some of his opponents out because he'd be getting trounced by somebody and just strike up a conversation about how the other dude beat him. I like being able to do stuff like that.
However, I grant you that unlike some of the threads here where I try to be as factual as possible, this is pure opinion territory.
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I have always and still do love Day9. I dunno why but I find him hilarious. i especially liked when he was involved in reveals because he always sounded so amazed and confused by everything which added to the comedy. Watching boring streamers like Kripp doing reveals these days just makes it feel... meh! I miss watching Kibler doing reveals too. But Day9 was definitely the king of Lol. :-)
I hate his politics, but he does a good job of keeping them out of the stream 99% of the time, so it's not constantly in my face.
Day 9 is a great character study (not of himself, but of his audience). He just is what he is. People went NUTS on those reveals because he would miss the best play. I was just like, "you know that's not the point, right?" But, some folks can't stand it.
I don't get to watch him anymore just because he's not playing games I follow, but I sometimes go back to the old Funday Monday content for a laugh.
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Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Um, I like to breeze through forum topics while I'm having a break at work, but probably the game itself is more important. Like I don't watch streamers, etc.
I love Hearthstone the game. Unfortunately, I don't feel the same about the community.
So many people are toxic, spamming emotes and adding you to send quite frankly vile abuse if they lose.
The community shits on the developers constantly and complains about everything relentlessly.
Parts of the community have treated high profile female players abhorrently.
Whilst this is obviously a sweeping generalisation, my experience leaves me with no choice but to perceive that a large proportion of the so called community is populated by immature and abusive individuals who i wouldn't want anything to do with in real life. The flip side is you also have a less vocal community who seem pretty decent (Coin concede crew I'm looking at you) but they are drowned out by the mob. And it is a mob.
As a HS playing friend of mine regularly says, the worst thing about Hearthstone is the community.
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Without Hearthstone, the community wouldn't exist, but without a community, Hearthstone would be nothing. So yeah, which of them is more important to you?
Honesty, I spend much more time here on Hearthpwn than playing the goddamn game and I truly wish we were more united, so my vote is on the community. Many of us don't know each other except for an avatar and walls of text, but some of us have been here for so long and interacted with so many hearthpwners that the community is already part of our lives. I will not go into much detail to avoid being annoying, so I wish you all Merry Christmas and Happy New Year in advance. :)
No option for "Both are equally important to me" just because I want people to truly make a decision here. :P
Needs a 'both are shit' option.
Ok, dude, you already won this thread. That was fast! :P
Definitely the game. I would love for Hearthstone to be a true community, but there's a difference between a forum and true interaction in game. Blizzard was probably smart in that so many people are so triggered by BM and other rude behavior that they don't even want a chat function between opponents. This remains the only game I have ever played, including all other Blizzard games, where it is impossible to chat with the person you're playing against.
Absent that, there is no real community as far as I'm concerned.
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Could you elaborate, please? I mean, a bit more... What exactly is a video game community to you?
Community does not exist in my opinion. For a community to exist there should be in game interaction.
I like this forum and some other forums and sites but that's about it. I see the game more as an individual game. Everyone for themselves kind of way
Jeez, people, an insane amount of people have interacted on the forums and other sites with each other every damn day for years, and you dare say the community doesn't exist? Give me a f..king break... I don't want to get mad, but Jesus Christ, please...
Well, the computer game that I most grew up on was Starcraft: Brood War. In addition to being another Blizzard title (and thus kind of relevant to compare), SC: BW can generally be considered the granddaddy of most esports and online gaming tournaments as they exist today (there is an MMO offshoot that can most rightfully be credited to World of Warcraft, but Brood War influenced almost everything else). Part of the reason the game was so influential was the depth of play and general longevity of the RTS genre. But, that can't explain it all.
Of course, today, Brood War and SC2 have many forum sites and out-of-game internet resources. But that wasn't always the case. Back in the day, the first friendships and groups of playtest partners came together solely from finding each other on the Battle net. People didn't have the inflated egos that come with streaming and publicized replays; they just wanted to get better. Next thing you know, I have three good friends who live in Russia, Mexico, and South Korea, all regularly meeting up in IRC and AIM to play and get better. None of that would have happened without the ability to talk to an opponent. I would strike up a conversation with someone who had done something new or had an interesting unit composition and talk about it, sometimes in the midst of still playing a game against the guy. Granted, some people were too cool for school and wouldn't interact with you, but that has generally been the exception, not the norm.
Now, in Hearthstone, I frequently try to friend a person after a match, and the results are as follows: A good 95% of the time (this is not a made-up statistic, I started keeping track for fun in 2018), the request is ignored. For one thing, you basically have to have lost the game; NO ONE accepts a request from someone who just beat them. Of the 5% who accept, a good half of them say something involving a lot of cursing and insults and then block me before I manage to type my first message. So, out of a hundred opponents, 2 or 3 actually allow you to communicate the first sentence. From there, the sky is the limit. However, I've gotten so jaded at the weak character of folks who are so terrified of trash talk, they won't even allow you to speak to them, I have a hard time getting invested enough to try anymore.
For me, a community of gamers have to have actually played the game together and have some common experience. It's not enough to interact on a forum. One reason for this is that I just don't think we're having the same experience. I'll read a forum post about how this game is all luck and no skill, and I ask the person, "what is the highest rank in legend you've ever finished?" A lot of times they will claim to have some very high finish, but I have no reason to believe this because I haven't met the person on the ladder (despite frequently being in the top 100-200 legend) and if they have truly finished as high as I have, I find it difficult to believe their experience is one of only luck. It certainly hasn't been my experience, though we ostensibly are playing the game at the same level.
So, that is my signature wall of text on the subject of community. I have to look elsewhere for true gaming communities, and believe me, they are out there. I recently discovered World of Warships, which, though an incredibly expensive freemium game, has the distinct advantage of being populated primarily with 30 something men, mostly with military backgrounds. It's a wonderful group of people with whom to interact. I can't find that here.
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
I think there is obviously a Hearthpwn community. It just seems like that community is based on argument and general complaints, rather than anything to do with playing a game.
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Ok, that was a good explanation and I welcome it, but honesty, that's just your point of view and in game experience. If you want to make some good internet friends, you can always just add someone you like from the forums.
Hey, I have an idea, do you wanna add me to Battle.net? I'm pretty sure we play on the same server. :P
The game, not even close. There are some good members of this community but in my experience they are the minority. It's probably the most toxic, negative community I've witnessed. Fifa gives it a run for its money but even those forums have way more positive discussion, help, guides etc.
I vote community
back in the days I made quite a bit of buddies playing hearthstone, in real life as well as online just adding an opponent... some of them I still talk with today but they have all quit hearthstone by now, due to it being super expensive and hostile towards new players or taking a break from the rat race of buying every expansion
these days there is no friendships to be made in hearthstone however, the randomness makes people laugh, maybe... (if you a streamer seeking being fake positive) but i see most people get super upset and or biter about these unfair seeming loses, where you most likely lose to cards that where properly not even in the opponents deck to begin with (so you can not give them any credit for reading the meta and including them, or holding on to a card because you had no seen that other card from his deck yet, all those type of strategy dismissions that used to be in the game, where only fractured remains are left, shallow husk of what used to be
also the insane low curve aggro meta, how can you compliment someone for that when it is so oppressively good? (and i think aggro should in general be better than combo / control) but in reallity, there is no praise to give someone for playing only 1-3 mana cards in their deck and never running out of gas due to bad card design (or as i suspect (phone friendly hyper aggro design) made to boost the phone players
all the randomness of hearthstone makes it so there is nothing to talk about other than maybe "lol that was random, what is the chance of that" and i dont know many people who can have that conversation more than once or twice before that song and dance gets old aswell
something I found beautiful back in the days was how basically the two first turns where pretty much skipped with hero powering, setting up for the real actions, these days that is not gonna happen due to the insanely strong low curve aggro
there was also aggro before. but it was never as oppressive as this and midrange where in generally better because it would not lose to control like aggro would, now aggro beats control due to insalely low curve consistency beats midrange for same reason and absolutely dominates combo... aggro only loses to aggro (in general ofc) this game is a numbers game after all
I watch more HS than play so I vote for community but HS game has no social features like clans/guilds, so the sense of community is definitely very weak as compared to many other games. Also in old days we had lot more community driven things like podcasts, tournaments etc, these days we hardly see those especially in constructed.
Granted, I have friended a few folk from this forum, I don't know. It just loses some of the luster if you can't talk to your opponents.
I don't know if you guys watched any of Day[9]'s stuff from back before Hearthstone. He was never a very good Hearthstone player, but he was an American champion of Starcraft at one point. His whole streaming career started in SC. And I remember he would always talk about how he weirded some of his opponents out because he'd be getting trounced by somebody and just strike up a conversation about how the other dude beat him. I like being able to do stuff like that.
However, I grant you that unlike some of the threads here where I try to be as factual as possible, this is pure opinion territory.
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
I have always and still do love Day9.
I dunno why but I find him hilarious.
i especially liked when he was involved in reveals because he always sounded so amazed and confused by everything which added to the comedy.
Watching boring streamers like Kripp doing reveals these days just makes it feel... meh! I miss watching Kibler doing reveals too. But Day9 was definitely the king of Lol. :-)
I hate his politics, but he does a good job of keeping them out of the stream 99% of the time, so it's not constantly in my face.
Day 9 is a great character study (not of himself, but of his audience). He just is what he is. People went NUTS on those reveals because he would miss the best play. I was just like, "you know that's not the point, right?" But, some folks can't stand it.
I don't get to watch him anymore just because he's not playing games I follow, but I sometimes go back to the old Funday Monday content for a laugh.
Helpful Clarification on Forbidden Topics for Hearthstone Forums:
Enjoying Americans winning in the Olympics is forbidden because it is political. A 14 plus page discussion of state-sponsored lawsuits against a multi-national corporation based on harassment, discrimination, and wrongful death allegations is apparently not political enough to raise an issue.
Um, I like to breeze through forum topics while I'm having a break at work, but probably the game itself is more important. Like I don't watch streamers, etc.
I love Hearthstone the game. Unfortunately, I don't feel the same about the community.
So many people are toxic, spamming emotes and adding you to send quite frankly vile abuse if they lose.
The community shits on the developers constantly and complains about everything relentlessly.
Parts of the community have treated high profile female players abhorrently.
Whilst this is obviously a sweeping generalisation, my experience leaves me with no choice but to perceive that a large proportion of the so called community is populated by immature and abusive individuals who i wouldn't want anything to do with in real life. The flip side is you also have a less vocal community who seem pretty decent (Coin concede crew I'm looking at you) but they are drowned out by the mob. And it is a mob.
As a HS playing friend of mine regularly says, the worst thing about Hearthstone is the community.