Thank you for finding that. I appreciate it! I could have sworn he Said “cancer” in there, but I am at work And could only skim the video - I’ll check it more thoroughly when i get home
As long as you understand what you're doing can lead to these outcomes. Including watching streamers who may lack maturity or social skills. Do I care if you snipe, no.
My point was more over that you reap what you sow and you kind of set yourself up for the outcome you got. Did you need to BM? Does it even matter? Probably not. If the streamer was behaving that way, its just motivating all the young and malleable minds out there to friends other players to threaten their family and are ultimately part of the problem.
You're good though, just don't walk around pretending you weren't doing something you actual were. I sniped Kipp and killed an 11 win run for him. Why, because I watch his stream before going to work and the stars aligned, we got matched up and I said,... fuck it I want the easy 12.
As long as you understand what you're doing can lead to these outcomes. Including watching streamers who may lack maturity or social skills. Do I care if you snipe, no.
My point was more over that you reap what you sow and you kind of set yourself up for the outcome you got. Did you need to BM? Does it even matter? Probably not. If the streamer was behaving that way, its just motivating all the young and malleable minds out there to friends other players to threaten their family and are ultimately part of the problem.
You're good though, just don't walk around pretending you weren't doing something you actual were. I sniped Kipp and killed an 11 win run for him. Why, because I watch his stream before going to work and the stars aligned, we got matched up and I said,... fuck it I want the easy 12.
Hahahaha the salt must have been real!!! Yeah I get what you’re saying and I agree. I’m not claiming the high road. His words tilted me and I lashed out the only way I could. That’s the damn truth.
There’s a video above that proves what I’m saying, LOL , I mistakenly thought he said something about cancer but that appears to be wrong - but everything else was spot on. Watch for yourself man
There’s a video above that proves what I’m saying, LOL , I mistakenly thought he said something about cancer but that appears to be wrong - but everything else was spot on. Watch for yourself man
Fair enough.. I watched it for a minute but stopped once this blabber-mouth wouldn't STFU. I am surprised anyone would watch this guy's toxic, mascara infused drivel.
If you like a nice dose of salt that is well balanced with god tunes -- check out a streamer named Zetalot.
some of the plays seemed awfully suspicious. i wouldn't blame the streamer for thinking it was stream sniping, and feel the same way about ropers...
OP, don't stream snipe, and you won't get your feelings hurt. if you get mad for being disrespected, you are a hypocrite by not respecting the opponent enough to not stream snipe... running it in the background or watching the video are just different degrees of bad, neither is good.
There’s a video above that proves what I’m saying, LOL , I mistakenly thought he said something about cancer but that appears to be wrong - but everything else was spot on. Watch for yourself man
Fair enough.. I watched it for a minute but stopped once this blabber-mouth wouldn't STFU. I am surprised anyone would watch this guy's toxic, mascara infused drivel.
If you like a nice dose of salt that is well balanced with god tunes -- check out a streamer named Zetalot.
Sounds good, will do!
Yeah the video quite vividly proves I was not sniping (at first!) as I played HORRIBLY into his turn 3 play, and I’m sure there are more pieces of evidence
Watching the video, it didn't seem quite as bad as you made it sound. Honestly, certain moves made me react the same way he did lol. Insults aren't necessary, obviously, but other than that this guy doesn't seem so bad.
Don't read too much into the "people like that need to up and die" talk. It's just venting and he'll probably have forgotten all about it by tomorrow.
Watching the video, it didn't seem quite as bad as you made it sound. Honestly, certain moves made me react the same way he did lol. Insults aren't necessary, obviously, but other than that this guy doesn't seem so bad.
Don't read too much into the "people like that need to up and die" talk. It's just venting and he'll probably have forgotten all about it by tomorrow.
Yeah, it does seem a little more tame than the way I took it. Tensions were high, I was pissed. But “I hope he fucking dies.” Should never be said on a stream... I mean, there’s impressionable minds watching. But yeah, I agree.
He didn't say anything offensive or at least didn't go personal until you started to intentionally - I guess, from the context of this thread - rope him though, therefore the only evidence here is you admitting to streamsniping in the original post (that without even recognizing it "listening without looking at his cards", dude, you are legend level player you should know better than this, it's almost the same exact thing).
I see what happened here as that your skin is so thin that you took criticism of your plays and card selection as a personal insult to the level that you even imagined other things (cancer) that actually were not even said.
Back to the original question, what is to be done differently: grow a thicker skin, done generally by interacting with other people in a meaningful way, exchanging opinions, there would sometimes be differences in them and criticism comes up, but after some exchanges you learn to handle it, or maybe not - generally that's done around high school age. At the very least you can just try and lose the bad behaviour (BM, stream sniping) for the sake of dropping it,
It seems like you wanted a fun experience listening to his stream while playing him, and it didn't turn out how you expected. The only part during the game that I thought was a bit harsh was the "STFU" to your "Hail Friend." But I've gotten momentarily ticked before off of emotes so I get it. Other than that, I think you just expected a different experience tuning in. Some streamers are arrogant, just their personality.
Sounds like OP is trying to justify stream sniping. Two wrongs brother, two wrongs...
Both behaviors are inappropriate in there own way, neither are sportsman like. Also, listening is still sniping especially for any legendary caliber players.
Listening can be considered sniping, sure, but if I’m interacring with kibler, a specific emote that makes him laugh, that interaction is worth a lot more to me than the 1% guilt of hearing “should I play thing from below or thrall?” Or whatever I might hear regarding his hand. I will never be a pro player, I will never play in high level tournaments, and in my opinion what I am doing is not wrong nor a significant advantage. I totally see where y’all are coming from, and I knew people would feel this way before I posted - but that’s how I feel.
Congratulations mate. You have found a way to justify that you are sniping. Getting info on any card is an advantage whether you can see it or not. If you "overhear" (as you more or less call it) he has a dragonfire potion that would ruin your upcoming turn, will you still comit to the board or wait till he has played it? Sniping is common and streamers have to deal with it. However, this is the first time I've seen a person trying to justify it. It's quite funny actually.
As for your question about BMing the guy? It was perfectly fine as sounded like quite an idiot, and it seemed he was on tilt. Making a topic and framing the guy for being salty? That is a low blow. I thought you had an interesting topic until you gave up his name. I don't know the guy and how many viewers he have but this could damage his reputation. How about you just try to contact the guy and ask for an apology?
Sounds like OP is trying to justify stream sniping. Two wrongs brother, two wrongs...
Both behaviors are inappropriate in there own way, neither are sportsman like. Also, listening is still sniping especially for any legendary caliber players.
Listening can be considered sniping, sure, but if I’m interacring with kibler, a specific emote that makes him laugh, that interaction is worth a lot more to me than the 1% guilt of hearing “should I play thing from below or thrall?” Or whatever I might hear regarding his hand. I will never be a pro player, I will never play in high level tournaments, and in my opinion what I am doing is not wrong nor a significant advantage. I totally see where y’all are coming from, and I knew people would feel this way before I posted - but that’s how I feel.
Congratulations mate. You have found a way to justify that you are sniping. Getting info on any card is an advantage whether you can see it or not. If you "overhear" (as you more or less call it) he has a dragonfire potion that would ruin your upcoming turn, will you still comit to the board or wait till he has played it? Sniping is common and streamers have to deal with it. However, this is the first time I've seen a person trying to justify it. It's quite funny actually.
As for your question about BMing the guy? It was perfectly fine as sounded like quite an idiot, and it seemed he was on tilt. Making a topic and framing the guy for being salty? That is a low blow. I thought you had an interesting topic until you gave up his name. I don't know the guy and how many viewers he have but this could damage his reputation. How about you just try to contact the guy and ask for an apology?
I am not “framing him,” I was not going to post his name but everyone asked so I did. The video is right there for everyone to watch and make their own conclusions. It’s not heresay.
It is an interesting topic because there are several strong and valid points on both sides.
I matched with someone who I thought I looked up to, and he degraded me the whole time. Hearthstone is a hobby for me, I do not get paid to play like he does. And I’m pretty good at the game. I’m not the best but I enjoy it and I think I’m decent. I was not trying to “frame him,” i already admitted I misheard the cancer thing, I discussed with my roommate immediately after it happened and I could have sworn he said that. I admitted I was wrong and made a mistake. The rest is completely true. He insulted my mulligan strategy, he insulted my plays, he even threw a temper tantrum and did not greet me back at the beginning of the game. And at the end he said I should fucking die along with a lot of other stuff, including that “I am garbage.”
I have incredibly thick skin, as my co workers can attest, I have been told I have thicker skin than most people my age. If Interaction over a forum for half of a day disproves that for you - then fine, have that opinion. I DID get offended by how he treated me, I DID snipe him, and I DID get butthurt that he talked down to me that whole time.
I was expecting a pleasant game, I was expecting a “well played,” at the end of the (fairly played) game, but that’s not what happened
He insulted my mulligan strategy, he insulted my plays, he even threw a temper tantrum and did not greet me back at the beginning of the game. And at the end he said I should fucking die along with a lot of other stuff, including that “I am garbage.”
I have incredibly thick skin, as my co workers can attest, I have been told I have thicker skin than most people my age. If Interaction over a forum for half of a day disproves that for you - then fine, have that opinion. I DID get offended by how he treated me, I DID snipe him, and I DID get butthurt that he talked down to me that whole time.
I was expecting a pleasant game, I was expecting a “well played,” at the end of the (fairly played) game, but that’s not what happened
He questioned your mulligan strategy and to a certain extent I agree. Playing your deck, I would only keep a 1 Drop, and send the rest to try and get Keleseth, since it is a card that swings the game a lot in your favour. I assume this is the same reasoning he has. He also questioned your plays, some of which he is correct to do so.
He threw a temper tantrum by not greeting you back? What? Reading that almost makes it sound like this is your first match in this game... I do not greet people while playing, I usually just Squelch them. I'm not throwing a tantrum, that's is just my prefered way to play, to disable emotes the majority of matches. I am not sure what you expected. You said Hello, he decided he didn't want to talk so he Squelched you.
Like I said, the end where he states people like you should die, that is stupid and he shouldn't have said it, but the rest about your attitude, the BM with Roping and such, he is very much in his right to have his opinion about your actions, and I do tend to agree with him in what he said, that it is a problem and that what you did is something people shouldn't do. However, I don't think you should die because of that, just that you should grow up and stop doing it.
You have incredibly thick skin but you get offended because you opponent in a video game decide to squelch you instead of greeting you back? o.O By any chance, did you mean thiN rather than thiCK?
The way he acted, it was fine, it was exaggerated at the end, but the rest, it was perfectly fine, and it would not have offended you at all if you had done the respectful thing and closed the stream in order to not snipe him. He has no obligation to guess that you are watching him and that you will continue sniping him and take offence on his critic of your play. He is talking to his stream, not exactly to you. He is questioning your line of play, but to his stream and is assuming you are not sniping him.
Think about it as if he was playing the game in a room with his friends, commenting on your plays and such, but he had no idea you were also standing near a wall listening in on what he was saying, so he didn't really know he would be offending you. He might have been harsh commenting you play, I'm similar to him sometimes, I am very critical of my opponent plays and my own plays, when I'm playing and I have friends spectating me, I will discuss plays a lot, and I will also make comments that would likely offend my opponent in case he was reading or listening to them. Not that I'm doing it to offend them, I'm simply commenting on the plays. For him, the room with friends he has happens to be a stream with god knows how many people watching, but, and you will notice this a lot, the majority of streamers will play and comment assuming the opponent is not streamsniping.
Finally, are you honestly telling us you expected a Well Played from him at the end of the game after you spent the last turns of the game BMing him for what I personally consider no reason (from his point of view, you weren't sniping him so he couldn't know you were offended by his comments, he just thinks you decided to act like that for whatever reason). I don't know about you, but the last thing I do when my opponent decides to BM me is to emote Well Played at the end. The time you took to decide to BM me is the same it took for me to not bother having pleasantries with you and graciously emoting Well Played in a friendly manner...
Then again, I guess this could be just me...
A) why do you think I have prince 2 in my deck? Your assumption about my mulligan is completely wrong, as was his. This is my issue. It’s that he’s Judging and being as ass of the actions of a player who is (according to rank) just as good as he is.
B) he did not squelch me immediately. He squelched after the second “greetings.” I don’t care if you feel differently, in all of my HS career, both with people in real life and friends in game, throw a fucking greetings out there. You don’t have to, but you’re considered rude by a lot of us if you don’t. I say greetings and well played to EVERYONE.
C) I was not expecting a “well played” at the end of the game. I said that, (I thought obviously) implying that if he didn’t call me garbage the entire game. My expectations of the game I was going to have played out quite differently. As stated in the OP, I was expecting a fun game which was (at least a little) interactive. Wasn’t planning to BM, and my first few turns prove that.
Its fine to agree to disagree. I am not normally a BMer. He tilted me. And yes, even thick skinned individuals get tilted. Saying “get thicker skin,” is not a solve-all problem. Im sure there are things that would trigger you. All streamers have it happen, sooner or later. All PEOPLE have it happen sooner or later.
The original question was “how would you have handled it,” I started a topic because I believe my actions were justifiable, I admit, once again, not really all that nice, or kind. I would never in a million years bm someone who respected me as an opponent.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/181686663?t=05h12m55s
You're welcome.
As long as you understand what you're doing can lead to these outcomes. Including watching streamers who may lack maturity or social skills. Do I care if you snipe, no.
My point was more over that you reap what you sow and you kind of set yourself up for the outcome you got. Did you need to BM? Does it even matter? Probably not. If the streamer was behaving that way, its just motivating all the young and malleable minds out there to friends other players to threaten their family and are ultimately part of the problem.
You're good though, just don't walk around pretending you weren't doing something you actual were. I sniped Kipp and killed an 11 win run for him. Why, because I watch his stream before going to work and the stars aligned, we got matched up and I said,... fuck it I want the easy 12.
This just Smacks of troloLoL.
I enjoy.
I enjoy.
Watching the video, it didn't seem quite as bad as you made it sound. Honestly, certain moves made me react the same way he did lol. Insults aren't necessary, obviously, but other than that this guy doesn't seem so bad.
Don't read too much into the "people like that need to up and die" talk. It's just venting and he'll probably have forgotten all about it by tomorrow.
Watched the vid. Besides the fact the streamer had a major misplay T5 that probably cost him the game your BM was spot on.
I lol'd hard. Well played Sir, well played.
He didn't say anything offensive or at least didn't go personal until you started to intentionally - I guess, from the context of this thread - rope him though, therefore the only evidence here is you admitting to streamsniping in the original post (that without even recognizing it "listening without looking at his cards", dude, you are legend level player you should know better than this, it's almost the same exact thing).
I see what happened here as that your skin is so thin that you took criticism of your plays and card selection as a personal insult to the level that you even imagined other things (cancer) that actually were not even said.
Back to the original question, what is to be done differently: grow a thicker skin, done generally by interacting with other people in a meaningful way, exchanging opinions, there would sometimes be differences in them and criticism comes up, but after some exchanges you learn to handle it, or maybe not - generally that's done around high school age. At the very least you can just try and lose the bad behaviour (BM, stream sniping) for the sake of dropping it,
It seems like you wanted a fun experience listening to his stream while playing him, and it didn't turn out how you expected. The only part during the game that I thought was a bit harsh was the "STFU" to your "Hail Friend." But I've gotten momentarily ticked before off of emotes so I get it. Other than that, I think you just expected a different experience tuning in. Some streamers are arrogant, just their personality.
Congratulations mate. You have found a way to justify that you are sniping. Getting info on any card is an advantage whether you can see it or not. If you "overhear" (as you more or less call it) he has a dragonfire potion that would ruin your upcoming turn, will you still comit to the board or wait till he has played it? Sniping is common and streamers have to deal with it. However, this is the first time I've seen a person trying to justify it. It's quite funny actually.
As for your question about BMing the guy? It was perfectly fine as sounded like quite an idiot, and it seemed he was on tilt. Making a topic and framing the guy for being salty? That is a low blow. I thought you had an interesting topic until you gave up his name. I don't know the guy and how many viewers he have but this could damage his reputation. How about you just try to contact the guy and ask for an apology?
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
You're a cheater who deserves to be permanently banned from battlenet.