If we play Rattlegore and buff him with Inner Rage and Rampage making him a 14/11 and then kill him I am guessing he will just come back as an 8/8 and not a -1/-1 of his buffed stats? Is there any confirmation that is how it will work? Would be cool if it worked off the buffed stat line but I'm guessing that would be incorrect. I'm just not aware of any other -1/-1 or alternative stat modified summons in the previous HS history to help think through how it will work.
I was referring to buffed stat line (aka new "max" atk and hp). So not the red value, in the case of hp, or de-buff. Because obviously, the -1/-1 wouldn't be based on what HP the creature died at. I can still see wiggle room for it being the buffed stats but I do think it is likely the vanilla stat line. Still a good target to make copies of. If you can manage the control game long enough.
I'm talking about the buffed stat line. Not the reduced stat line. The question more simply would be does it -1/-1 from his base max stats or his buffed max stats. It obviously isn't based on his reduced stat line. That would be garbage tier and I don't think he would be 9 mana do nothing if killing him at 9/1 would make him return as an 8/0. I could see, if it worked off his (de)buffed stats, subdue effectively silencing him since it literally sets his stat line to a new max of 1/1.
You already got answers from 2 users, you asked a question and you wanna hear the answer that you wanted to hear. Those players told you how the card works
And the concensus is that the wording is really bad and doesnt reflect the actual behaviour (according to the wording and how resummon worked so far, it should be 8/8 forever).
Also people agree that it will not keep any buffs / debuffs (like Rampage or Humility for instance).
The prediction that I agree with the most is the one made by user "Poghy" - that Hearthstone will honor the good old tradition of spaghetti code and the card will be basically implemented as 9 different cards (there will be 9/9 version that summons the 8/8 version, the 8/8 version will summon the 7/7 and so on). So it will work on a similar principle as a Splitting Festeroot or Pyros. Meaning there will essentially be different "versions" of the card.
You already got answers from 2 users, you asked a question and you wanna hear the answer that you wanted to hear. Those players told you how the card works
Lol, no. They were misunderstanding the question as laid out. I was asking about buffed stat vs vanilla. They were claiming it would go off of pre-death stats ie if it was at 9/1 it would come back as 8/0 which I already knew was incorrect.
And the concensus is that the wording is really bad and doesnt reflect the actual behaviour (according to the wording and how resummon worked so far, it should be 8/8 forever).
Also people agree that it will not keep any buffs / debuffs (like Rampage or Humility for instance).
The prediction that I agree with the most is the one made by user "Poghy" - that Hearthstone will honor the good old tradition of spaghetti code and the card will be basically implemented as 9 different cards (there will be 9/9 version that summons the 8/8 version, the 8/8 version will summon the 7/7 and so on). So it will work on a similar principle as a Splitting Festeroot or Pyros. Meaning there will essentially be different "versions" of the card.
That's what I was thinking was probably the case. We'll see what the rest of the set provides to make it viable. Currently charge or the leaked broom could give it impact upon drop but likely too clunky to actually pull off unless there are other minions that would benefit greatly from rush for a new warrior deck.
And the concensus is that the wording is really bad and doesnt reflect the actual behaviour (according to the wording and how resummon worked so far, it should be 8/8 forever).
Also people agree that it will not keep any buffs / debuffs (like Rampage or Humility for instance).
The prediction that I agree with the most is the one made by user "Poghy" - that Hearthstone will honor the good old tradition of spaghetti code and the card will be basically implemented as 9 different cards (there will be 9/9 version that summons the 8/8 version, the 8/8 version will summon the 7/7 and so on). So it will work on a similar principle as a Splitting Festeroot or Pyros. Meaning there will essentially be different "versions" of the card.
Thanks for mentioning my theory. BTW it would be cool if it had different illustrations as it shrinks, like a reverse Jade golem.
If we play Rattlegore and buff him with Inner Rage and Rampage making him a 14/11 and then kill him I am guessing he will just come back as an 8/8 and not a -1/-1 of his buffed stats? Is there any confirmation that is how it will work? Would be cool if it worked off the buffed stat line but I'm guessing that would be incorrect. I'm just not aware of any other -1/-1 or alternative stat modified summons in the previous HS history to help think through how it will work.
I forgot about Teron Gorefiend, however, his +1/+1 resummon (if copy pasta code was used and + replaced with -) goes off the vanilla stats which would make this a permanent 8/8 which we know is incorrect. They mentioned in the video that we have to kill him 9 times so I'm sure as Poghy and sneakytoddman have stated it will just be the 9/9 -> 8/8 -> 7/7 progression. I think it will still find a home in a control deck with rush aids like Charge, Rocket Augmerchant, and Goblin Lackey.
If we play Rattlegore and buff him with Inner Rage and Rampage making him a 14/11 and then kill him I am guessing he will just come back as an 8/8 and not a -1/-1 of his buffed stats? Is there any confirmation that is how it will work? Would be cool if it worked off the buffed stat line but I'm guessing that would be incorrect. I'm just not aware of any other -1/-1 or alternative stat modified summons in the previous HS history to help think through how it will work.
Propably -1/-1 from basic stats, cause if opponents minion would leave it at 14/1, it won't activate deathrattle
I was referring to buffed stat line (aka new "max" atk and hp). So not the red value, in the case of hp, or de-buff. Because obviously, the -1/-1 wouldn't be based on what HP the creature died at. I can still see wiggle room for it being the buffed stats but I do think it is likely the vanilla stat line. Still a good target to make copies of. If you can manage the control game long enough.
If I deal 8 damage to Rattlegore, and he is a 9/1, then kill him, theoretically he should come back as an 8/0 and be removed, no?
If I cast something like Subdue and make him a 1/1, he comes back as a 0/0 and is gone.
I'm talking about the buffed stat line. Not the reduced stat line. The question more simply would be does it -1/-1 from his base max stats or his buffed max stats. It obviously isn't based on his reduced stat line. That would be garbage tier and I don't think he would be 9 mana do nothing if killing him at 9/1 would make him return as an 8/0. I could see, if it worked off his (de)buffed stats, subdue effectively silencing him since it literally sets his stat line to a new max of 1/1.
You already got answers from 2 users, you asked a question and you wanna hear the answer that you wanted to hear. Those players told you how the card works
Weve already discussed this with a couple people on several other threads for instance here:
https://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/card-discussion/243681-sa-new-cards-discussion?page=2#c30
And the concensus is that the wording is really bad and doesnt reflect the actual behaviour (according to the wording and how resummon worked so far, it should be 8/8 forever).
Also people agree that it will not keep any buffs / debuffs (like Rampage or Humility for instance).
The prediction that I agree with the most is the one made by user "Poghy" - that Hearthstone will honor the good old tradition of spaghetti code and the card will be basically implemented as 9 different cards (there will be 9/9 version that summons the 8/8 version, the 8/8 version will summon the 7/7 and so on). So it will work on a similar principle as a Splitting Festeroot or Pyros. Meaning there will essentially be different "versions" of the card.
Lol, no. They were misunderstanding the question as laid out. I was asking about buffed stat vs vanilla. They were claiming it would go off of pre-death stats ie if it was at 9/1 it would come back as 8/0 which I already knew was incorrect.
That's what I was thinking was probably the case. We'll see what the rest of the set provides to make it viable. Currently charge or the leaked broom could give it impact upon drop but likely too clunky to actually pull off unless there are other minions that would benefit greatly from rush for a new warrior deck.
9/9 > 8/8 > 7/7 > 6/6 > etc...
Nothing more, nothing less.
The numbers on the resummoned ones are white, so you can think of them each as non-collectible cards I believe.
... I SUSPECT that if priest were to play one, then resummon, it could get any of the stat lines of Rattlegore that have died.
Commonsense.
The wording is wrong.
There are gazillion cards that can buff & it will be imbalance if it did.
Suggested wording:
Deathrattle: summon a 8/8 mini rattegore
and it goes smaller and smaller
Thanks for mentioning my theory. BTW it would be cool if it had different illustrations as it shrinks, like a reverse Jade golem.
probably. Resseruct would also possibly rezz some low stat rattlegores
Oh my precious Rattlegore...
I forgot about Teron Gorefiend, however, his +1/+1 resummon (if copy pasta code was used and + replaced with -) goes off the vanilla stats which would make this a permanent 8/8 which we know is incorrect. They mentioned in the video that we have to kill him 9 times so I'm sure as Poghy and sneakytoddman have stated it will just be the 9/9 -> 8/8 -> 7/7 progression. I think it will still find a home in a control deck with rush aids like Charge, Rocket Augmerchant, and Goblin Lackey.