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You can't just throw Yogg in any deck. Yogg is not overpowered. If both those were true Yogg would be in every deck. Yogg is almost exclusively seen in Tempo Mage and Beast/Token Druid.
Yogg is card you can play around it is just a more complex one then many others. If you suspect your opponent has Yogg you play around like you would any other board clear...actually that wasn't that complex. lol. The complex part comes into play after Yogg when you may have to play around another classes secret, or a radically different board state. The same is true of your opponent though, they also have play with a board state they could not have anticipated.
Yogg is only used in these decks in competitive play because they tend to run out of steam pretty quick and lose 100% because of it. Without Yogg these decks might not even be viable.
There is a certain amount of balls to put Yogg in your deck and to play it. I certainly admire that. Yogg is not an all or nothing play. Yogg is an all or possible even worse then nothing play!
That Yogg is a lot of RNG packed into one card isn't bad, especially because it is fun unexpected RNG. This is certainly more fun then Knife Juggler or Tuskarr Totemic RNG which can also turn a lost game into a won game just in more piecemeal less spectacular way.
Also on that note being able to turn a lost game into a won game is not just good game design is it ESSENTIAL game design. If you know by turn 3 that your 100% going to lose the game is horrifically unfun.
Lastly, if your looking for a game of skill. STOP!!!!! You are playing a card game. RNG is built into its DNA. When I want a skill a fix I play Dota 2, I'm not saying you should play Dota 2 I'm saying if your after a game where your skill is the dependent factor on winning you need to find one because this is not it. However, if your looking to kick back, relax, watch some crazy things happen and have fun your in the right place.
Dont blame the God of the Gods Yogg Saron you Insect
effective delete
Also I noted that it takes balls to play Yogg. You would define it as a extreme forging risk-mhanagment play, or whatever bigger words give you a happy.
I think the Yogg hatred is people not understanding this is game of "odds-calculating and risk-management" again in simpler terms a game where skill is not the dependent factor on winning that it is an RNG game in its DNA being a card game. It is a factor and Pros are Pros cus they win 65% instead of 51% with the same decks of everyone else.
Casual or not, all those points still apply. I don't give a crap how highly you think of your "skill" the game thinks very little of it. Kolento and other Pro Hearthstone players play around situations better then average players. Even they are not offered the opportunity to win every game no matter what the skill difference is. I saw a pro streamer whose name I forgot lose at rank 20. I assume he was way WAY better then the guy on the other end. In this game, especially on ladder, sometimes skill matter, sometimes skill means dick.
Yogg is as much skill as curving out perfectly with an aggro deck. Drawing your burn spells before your opponent with Freeze Mage. Yogg is Hearthstone. If you can't handle a card like Yogg your going to be frustrated forever. This game is never going to be the thing you want it to be if that card frustrated you, and if you think your other decks rely more on your skill more then a Tempo Mage dropping Yogg then you are lying to yourself hardcore.
Yogg is the most rage-inducing card ever. I hate RNG.
If you do not like to play the RNG-slot machine, then do not play an online card game.
You also have to realize that any deck based around Yogg is playing a disproportionate amount of spells and they are not hedging their bets on Yogg winning every game for them. Even worse is the fact that they need to first draw said card. If anything a Yogg deck is a bigger gamble to play and win with especially in the current environment of highly aggressive decks that can take a deck like this with little board presence down in a few short turns.
Yogg does some great things that often band-aid flaws in the game's balance. No reliable board clear, consistent heal, or a trip switch to pull when the game is going to be over in three turns because you're not playing aggro and the opponent has turned on solitaire mode? Sweet, Yogg at least gives a shot to make a game of it. On the other hand, you get games that just flat-out should be decided, then (like my Yogg-out last game), you Pyroblast face through a full board and get Heroic Strike for lethal.
I suppose the biggest issues I have are: 1) unlike a Reno (one-ofs) or C'Thun (vanilla minions), Yogg requires no sacrifice to get benefit, which it really should given the strength of the card. Actually why I'm not sold on Arcane Giant being healthy either; compared to Molten or Mountain, there's no sacrifice to drop it and no way to play around it being played (other than the usual going aggro and winning before the cards are played). 2) It's long been said that spells aren't strong enough - they're under-powered for their cost, given that many put nothing on the board. Minions with "spells attached" are the new norm. If this is ever remedied through more powerful or lower cost spells, addition of those clears, heals, or counter cards that are actually effective, it will only further strengthen Yogg.
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Yogg is just taking a gamble trying to create great swing.
I would be less happy if it were all Old Gods that secure an already secured position... or that make a win out of everything.
Yes RNG should be able to overcome a loss sometimes just like a more certain overrule condition could but just less RNG-y. If you lose to it, well too bad just be salty then, because not everything should be purely strategy, skill, etc.
On the long term you will win anyway if you have the most skill and their RNG will not be consistent. But you can't expect to have your weak edge win out on general RNG...
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I really like Yogg but I think that he should be banned from competitive Hearthstone.
There is no other card that has the possibility to clear the enemies board while filling up your own with minions and traps while also drawing cards. Sure he can make you lose as well but when you play him you only do so to avoid a certain loss anyway.
I have watched Americas Summer Preliminaries and the Yoggs I have seen completely changed the outcome of what would have been lost games.
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Yog is love yog is life!!! one card can't ruin a game come on...