Ele shaman is performing better. You don't HAVE to have Fireheart for the deck, she's useful in clutch but her played winrate is low as hell, like 5-10% below anything else in the deck.
DH is only about 1% lower winrate, but not having Blackthorn hurts a lot more than not having Fireheart.
However, Deathrattle DH was one of the battle ready decks and Ele shaman was not, so it's more likely that they'd hit shaman. I don't think either of them are oppressive enough to be nerfed right now though.
I heard some streamer,that does "which deck is worth a craft",so he kinda mentioned there is a possiblity that DH gets nerf in his opinion. I dont have any standard deck atm,since i play only wild .
Thanks for the tips guys,and for that non legendary elemental deck shaman
I am missing too many cards to justify crafting the deathrattle DH deck (although it does look like fun) so I've got a really nice elemental/burn shaman going which is a very smooth deck to play.
you should be able to hit at least diamond 5 or something with elemental shaman with just the Lilypad Lurkers. At that point you could decide if you wanna commit to Fireheart and go for legend. If you’re already at a high rank or Legend i would still refrain from crafting dearhrattle DH legendaries as they are kind of useless outside of the archetype. It’s hard to find any other use for cards like Al’ar in any other deck.
Given how powerful (a) card draw and (b) scaling one-drops are, I expect all Shaman decks over the next 1.5 years to be built around Nature Spells (to take full advantage of Primal Dungeoneer) and a small or large elemental package that includes Wailing Vapor and Cagematch Custodian to tutor some weapon. So you really can't go wrong with Elemental Shaman right now.
As for Deathrattle Demon Hunter, the deck got some good stuff and is strong right now, but a new expansion can easily change that and see DH move towards other builds (aggro, soul, weapon, OTK with Il'Gynoth, outcast, big demon - whatever gets some good support)
She's useful in clutch but her played winrate is low as hell, like 5-10% below anything else in the deck.
If u want to see how good/ important a card is, u have to search for the DRAW WR n not look to the PLAY WR.
Why?
For example, last year, when Leeroy was still there, obv his PLAY WR was very high cuz u play it to end the game, so, in most cases, when u play him, u win.
That's also why the new Alex has a very high PLAY WR in that deck.
Although if we look at her DRAW WR is also very low.
Frankly I wouldn't run any of the 3 in Deathrattle DH. Al'ar is in the deck only because of the elemental tag (which means you get him back from N'Zoth), but he is too slow and greedy. At 5-mana he has no immediate impact on the board when played (no rush, taunt or battlecry), dies to pretty much any 1-mana spell out there and then the 0/3 can be cleanly traded by anything. Also when you drop N'Zoth you mostly care about getting some rush and taunt minions to stabilise, as well as the 8/8 to push some more face damage, Al'ar would once again be just some stats with no immediate impact. As for Vectus, similar: at 5-mana with no immediate impact when played he is a bit too slow (and too greedy), and the deathrattles are random, could be good (cheat out a 4-cost deathrattle minion), or could be low impact like 'add a 4/3 murloc with rush to your hand' and 'heal your hero for 4' Finally, I was running Kurtrus in my deck before the mini-set, but he was one of the cards I cut to add the new deathrattle 3-drops. While a great card for board control when outcast, with the deck running many expensive cards it is often very hard/impossible to outcast which makes Kurtrus a much better 'discover by' card off Illidari Studies, rather than hard running it
which deck currently preforms better,and how likely gonna get nerf. For both decks im missing some cards like :
Instructor fireheart,lillypad lurkers for shaman,also saw some have Inara Stormcrush
DH : Felsteel executioner,death speaker blackthorn,Al'ar
Ele shaman is performing better. You don't HAVE to have Fireheart for the deck, she's useful in clutch but her played winrate is low as hell, like 5-10% below anything else in the deck.
DH is only about 1% lower winrate, but not having Blackthorn hurts a lot more than not having Fireheart.
However, Deathrattle DH was one of the battle ready decks and Ele shaman was not, so it's more likely that they'd hit shaman. I don't think either of them are oppressive enough to be nerfed right now though.
But Fireheart is one of the best Shaman cards currently. If you have an interest in playing Shaman it's not a bad craft at all.
I got legend 5min ago with this deck. Had a win streak from dimond 2 to legend. Lilypad Lurker <3
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/1389195-my-80-elemental-shaman
I heard some streamer,that does "which deck is worth a craft",so he kinda mentioned there is a possiblity that DH gets nerf in his opinion. I dont have any standard deck atm,since i play only wild .
Thanks for the tips guys,and for that non legendary elemental deck shaman
I am missing too many cards to justify crafting the deathrattle DH deck (although it does look like fun) so I've got a really nice elemental/burn shaman going which is a very smooth deck to play.
you should be able to hit at least diamond 5 or something with elemental shaman with just the Lilypad Lurkers. At that point you could decide if you wanna commit to Fireheart and go for legend. If you’re already at a high rank or Legend i would still refrain from crafting dearhrattle DH legendaries as they are kind of useless outside of the archetype. It’s hard to find any other use for cards like Al’ar in any other deck.
Given how powerful (a) card draw and (b) scaling one-drops are, I expect all Shaman decks over the next 1.5 years to be built around Nature Spells (to take full advantage of Primal Dungeoneer) and a small or large elemental package that includes Wailing Vapor and Cagematch Custodian to tutor some weapon. So you really can't go wrong with Elemental Shaman right now.
As for Deathrattle Demon Hunter, the deck got some good stuff and is strong right now, but a new expansion can easily change that and see DH move towards other builds (aggro, soul, weapon, OTK with Il'Gynoth, outcast, big demon - whatever gets some good support)
If u want to see how good/ important a card is, u have to search for the DRAW WR n not look to the PLAY WR.
Why?
For example, last year, when Leeroy was still there, obv his PLAY WR was very high cuz u play it to end the game, so, in most cases, when u play him, u win.
That's also why the new Alex has a very high PLAY WR in that deck.
Although if we look at her DRAW WR is also very low.
I crafted Firecraft for elemental shaman,now next steps demon hunter tech choice : Al'ar ,Vectus or Kurtrus ashfallen?
How is your experiance?
Frankly I wouldn't run any of the 3 in Deathrattle DH. Al'ar is in the deck only because of the elemental tag (which means you get him back from N'Zoth), but he is too slow and greedy. At 5-mana he has no immediate impact on the board when played (no rush, taunt or battlecry), dies to pretty much any 1-mana spell out there and then the 0/3 can be cleanly traded by anything. Also when you drop N'Zoth you mostly care about getting some rush and taunt minions to stabilise, as well as the 8/8 to push some more face damage, Al'ar would once again be just some stats with no immediate impact.
As for Vectus, similar: at 5-mana with no immediate impact when played he is a bit too slow (and too greedy), and the deathrattles are random, could be good (cheat out a 4-cost deathrattle minion), or could be low impact like 'add a 4/3 murloc with rush to your hand' and 'heal your hero for 4'
Finally, I was running Kurtrus in my deck before the mini-set, but he was one of the cards I cut to add the new deathrattle 3-drops. While a great card for board control when outcast, with the deck running many expensive cards it is often very hard/impossible to outcast which makes Kurtrus a much better 'discover by' card off Illidari Studies, rather than hard running it
Thank you on insight