I still feel like jandice is a bigger problem. But sure, Rag might be next on the list, he seems pretty damn OP.
I will state I did have Rag run where I got unlucky with the early minion rolls, and ended up with several early rounds where I hardly killed anything, and it snowballed into a really poor run as the hero power only came online the round I died.
This doesn't happen with Jandice if you know what you are doing, you don't need pogos, there are plenty of other combos that are almost as busted, whether its cycling murloc buffers or hydras with momma bears or whatever...
Could be. I really think Bliz should remove Pogo, and see how Jandice does. Maybe she's fair, maybe she's still busted. It'd be cool to find out, to separate the things. The range of stuff Jandice can do with that her hero power is pretty wide and interesting, since it requires a bit more creativity and thought than autobuffs like Rag.
I still feel like jandice is a bigger problem. But sure, Rag might be next on the list, he seems pretty damn OP.
I will state I did have Rag run where I got unlucky with the early minion rolls, and ended up with several early rounds where I hardly killed anything, and it snowballed into a really poor run as the hero power only came online the round I died.
This doesn't happen with Jandice if you know what you are doing, you don't need pogos, there are plenty of other combos that are almost as busted, whether its cycling murloc buffers or hydras with momma bears or whatever...
Could be. I really think Bliz should remove Pogo, and see how Jandice does. Maybe she's fair, maybe she's still busted. It'd be cool to find out, to separate the things. The range of stuff Jandice can do with that her hero power is pretty wide and interesting, since it requires a bit more creativity and thought than autobuffs like Rag.
She's good not not braindead stupid unfair nonsense good without pogos. You can still flip buffs like jugs and 2/2 buffs the pirate buff(this is meh). I flipped the elemental +1+1 buff for a LOT of value. The flip also frees up a slot to play a lot of other things on the same turn.
Every time i see brann or janice pogo I just think "Fuck that guy!"
I still feel like jandice is a bigger problem. But sure, Rag might be next on the list, he seems pretty damn OP.
I will state I did have Rag run where I got unlucky with the early minion rolls, and ended up with several early rounds where I hardly killed anything, and it snowballed into a really poor run as the hero power only came online the round I died.
This doesn't happen with Jandice if you know what you are doing, you don't need pogos, there are plenty of other combos that are almost as busted, whether its cycling murloc buffers or hydras with momma bears or whatever...
Could be. I really think Bliz should remove Pogo, and see how Jandice does. Maybe she's fair, maybe she's still busted. It'd be cool to find out, to separate the things. The range of stuff Jandice can do with that her hero power is pretty wide and interesting, since it requires a bit more creativity and thought than autobuffs like Rag.
She's good not not braindead stupid unfair nonsense good without pogos. You can still flip buffs like jugs and 2/2 buffs the pirate buff(this is meh). I flipped the elemental +1+1 buff for a LOT of value. The flip also frees up a slot to play a lot of other things on the same turn.
Every time i see brann or janice pogo I just think "Fuck that guy!"
To be sure. Just there won't be any real data on how good she'd be without Pogos while Pogos exist.
Honestly I've found at my MMR when Rag is there people just adjust play to get higher health faster tempo. Usually Rag dies because he has no hero power if he loses.
I still feel like jandice is a bigger problem. But sure, Rag might be next on the list, he seems pretty damn OP.
I will state I did have Rag run where I got unlucky with the early minion rolls, and ended up with several early rounds where I hardly killed anything, and it snowballed into a really poor run as the hero power only came online the round I died.
This doesn't happen with Jandice if you know what you are doing, you don't need pogos, there are plenty of other combos that are almost as busted, whether its cycling murloc buffers or hydras with momma bears or whatever...
Could be. I really think Bliz should remove Pogo, and see how Jandice does. Maybe she's fair, maybe she's still busted. It'd be cool to find out, to separate the things. The range of stuff Jandice can do with that her hero power is pretty wide and interesting, since it requires a bit more creativity and thought than autobuffs like Rag.
She's good not not braindead stupid unfair nonsense good without pogos. You can still flip buffs like jugs and 2/2 buffs the pirate buff(this is meh). I flipped the elemental +1+1 buff for a LOT of value. The flip also frees up a slot to play a lot of other things on the same turn.
Every time i see brann or janice pogo I just think "Fuck that guy!"
To be sure. Just there won't be any real data on how good she'd be without Pogos while Pogos exist.
But... there is. Sure, HSreplay etc. don't sort that data (or show any data sorted like this), but should be simple enough for them to pull out Jandice data with mechs banned in the lobby.
And honestly, I'm of the opinion that Jandice's primary issue is how the switched minion keeps buffs. You'd have notably smaller pogos, for example; she'd still be strong with other strategies (a murloc discover every turn, or elemental to hand with a scaler?), but IMHO not broken. I'll still take pogos if I get offered Jandice and an early Pogo, though, because, well...
Then there's Rag. There's a fine line on #minions killed between OP and bad; probably nontrivial to adjust and balance, particularly given how deathrattle strategies can go in and out fo fashion and that impacts it. Both jandice and Rag are really strong, though, and Rag would be ridiculous in any slower meta, so... probably needs something.
Yeah, Jandice works wonders with murlocs too, which by themselfs are good against stat meta right now. I just got Jandice in a lobby without mechs and proceeded to pounce Primalfin Lookout with Brann and having from 60´s all the way to 100 statted 5 poisonous murlocs and crushing every opponent I met.
he really does need a nerf. having the stupid luck that i do, get a lobby where i'm matched with a disconnected player twice in the first 5 rounds, slowing my quest finish, and still managed to squeak out a win with divine shields and windfury.
maybe its just my experience but ever since elementals have come out, i'm either winning or getting dumped on. feels like demons could use love as well as mechs. although, i laughably remember the cobalt guardian days
Could be. I really think Bliz should remove Pogo, and see how Jandice does. Maybe she's fair, maybe she's still busted. It'd be cool to find out, to separate the things. The range of stuff Jandice can do with that her hero power is pretty wide and interesting, since it requires a bit more creativity and thought than autobuffs like Rag.
Nah go look at the stats Rag is the highest top placed average in BG history
She's good not not braindead stupid unfair nonsense good without pogos. You can still flip buffs like jugs and 2/2 buffs the pirate buff(this is meh). I flipped the elemental +1+1 buff for a LOT of value. The flip also frees up a slot to play a lot of other things on the same turn.
Every time i see brann or janice pogo I just think "Fuck that guy!"
Fun > Meta
To be sure. Just there won't be any real data on how good she'd be without Pogos while Pogos exist.
Ive played Jandice enough and placed without pogos. Imagine getting +1/+1 to all or +2/+2 to a cave hydra every single turn. Thats definitely not bad.
Fun > Meta
Honestly I've found at my MMR when Rag is there people just adjust play to get higher health faster tempo. Usually Rag dies because he has no hero power if he loses.
Here's my bad meme:
But... there is. Sure, HSreplay etc. don't sort that data (or show any data sorted like this), but should be simple enough for them to pull out Jandice data with mechs banned in the lobby.
And honestly, I'm of the opinion that Jandice's primary issue is how the switched minion keeps buffs. You'd have notably smaller pogos, for example; she'd still be strong with other strategies (a murloc discover every turn, or elemental to hand with a scaler?), but IMHO not broken. I'll still take pogos if I get offered Jandice and an early Pogo, though, because, well...
Then there's Rag. There's a fine line on #minions killed between OP and bad; probably nontrivial to adjust and balance, particularly given how deathrattle strategies can go in and out fo fashion and that impacts it. Both jandice and Rag are really strong, though, and Rag would be ridiculous in any slower meta, so... probably needs something.
ahh here is where the people who were crying about jandice last month went,.,,nice. You guys making this your monthly thing?
Don't nerf him yet! I havent even tried him! I want a first place!! >.< they nerf him to 30minion kills or +2/+2 or +3/+3 MAX
Yeah, Jandice works wonders with murlocs too, which by themselfs are good against stat meta right now.
I just got Jandice in a lobby without mechs and proceeded to pounce Primalfin Lookout with Brann and having from 60´s all the way to 100 statted 5 poisonous murlocs and crushing every opponent I met.
Thats the only discover card in the game so i never even though of that.
Fun > Meta
he really does need a nerf. having the stupid luck that i do, get a lobby where i'm matched with a disconnected player twice in the first 5 rounds, slowing my quest finish, and still managed to squeak out a win with divine shields and windfury.
maybe its just my experience but ever since elementals have come out, i'm either winning or getting dumped on. feels like demons could use love as well as mechs. although, i laughably remember the cobalt guardian days
I just got a clean run with Rag - 40 health and a somewhat bad setup