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I think, we should just STOP playing Priest for a while. I'm super serious now! We need to show bbrode statistically that Priest are horrible, if they don't want to listen.
Ben Brode has repeatedly proven that he is an arrogant and cares nothing for the opinion of people who are clearly more experienced at the game.
He's just a PR buffoon who was given way too much power. The only thing we can do is hope that he has a falling out with whomever's d*ck he's sucking to stay in his position
There's probably a way to make priest work better than usual. Many pro streamers have piloted several priest decks in high ranks, so, it's possible to have a decent win rate at least.
people are stuck in their ways of thinking, always adding the same core of cards in their decks rarely doing major changes, keep crying to buff this goddamn class like they did with shaman, and then when it gets buffed they are crying like this guy... please just stop and learn a thing.. you don't know what is best for the game, you cannot even make it to r5 with a tier 3 deck... just stop and try build a new version of the class you love instead of crying to sweaty nerds on forums
Ben Brode has repeatedly proven that he is an arrogant and cares nothing for the opinion of people who are clearly more experienced at the game.
He's just a PR buffoon who was given way too much power. The only thing we can do is hope that he has a falling out with whomever's d*ck he's sucking to stay in his position
This. a million times this. This sums up perfectly what I've been thinking for months now and why I won't be buying this adventure. I had enough.
What amazes me the most is the undeserved respect and love for Ben Brode by the community. How can anyone possibly think he is competent enough for this game given all the crap he did and said?
Lol such a triggered crybaby. I've been having lots of fun with dragon priest in standard and it has all the early game you want: 1-mana 2/3, 2-mana 2/4 taunt, 3-mana 3/5, board clears, late game value. Sure some of those cards are neutral, but as we know with Gadgetzan Auctioneer and miracle rogue you don't always need class cards to rekt face
Sure, Priest is in a bad spot. But the problem with the class as a whole is that its designed so poorly and 3 good cards in this adventure would not change that. Entomb, Mind Control, Cabal Shadow Priest etc are terribly unfun to play against, so I would say it's good for the game that Priests are so weak atm. However, I think a complete rework of the class would be a good idea to make it a class that won't make you rage whenever you encounter it by losing to your own damn minions. Priest as a class should be in Hearthstone, but it needs to be changed drastically. Until then, I actually hope Priest continues to get bad cards. Which is a shame.
Priest does NOT need new cards!! What Priest needs is a complete makeover because his classic and basic cardset are USELESS. He has no card draw, no combos, no adequate healing, no decent AoE, and his cards cost way too much for what they do. Out of Priest's entire arsenal of cards, Entomb and Mind Control are probably the only good ones, and that's not saying much, considering their cost to both mana and tempo.
I like to compare priest to Diablo 3 - no matter what new cards and new content they bring out, there is no way to fix him without changing the entire framework.
The only solution to Priest's problem is either fix the basic/classic decks or get rid of the Priest entirely and replace him with something else. At this point, I vote for the latter.
Honestly thinking that a casual game like Hearthstone can be a completely serious E-sport event means you are making the mistake.
If you want a serious F2P card game, I recommend you to play Elder Scrolls Legends, is a young and new game, but it's looking carefully at what MTG and Hearthstone have done wrong IMO.
And what exactly have Magic and Hearthstone managed to do so wrong exactly? I haven't seen any gameplay on Elder Scrolls Legends so I don't know what it's like.
Honestly thinking that a casual game like Hearthstone can be a completely serious E-sport event means you are making the mistake.
If you want a serious F2P card game, I recommend you to play Elder Scrolls Legends, is a young and new game, but it's looking carefully at what MTG and Hearthstone have done wrong IMO.
Hearthstone is what players decide it to be. And yes it is a serious esport since there are so many tournaments and even the world championship. Besides dont u fuck around with excuses about how being a F2P game allows to become shittier
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All these posts about priest are getting ridiculous. There will always be a worst class. Hell in every card game there is always a worst something. There have been roations in magic were certain colours got the middle finger for years. Warriors are op? Check vintage and legacy blue decks. Stop whining like spoiled kids and adapt. You wanna play competitive? Who told you you got to do that with your favourite class? Go check a magic pro tour top 8. There've been top 8's with literally 1 deck represented where the pro's stated they hated the deck but it was the deck to win. Else play priest as it is and stop crying.
Priest has had a very long drought even by Magic standards. They have been weak since beta overall. While Shaman and Paladin have had long periods in the bottom tier, they have both enjoyed periods as a top tier deck. This is not so with Priest. I often hear people speak of glory days of Priest back when Mind Control was 8 mana. Interesting fact: go back to that era and look at some of the high level tournaments hosted at that time. You will quickly realize two things: 1) Priest was rarely used 2) A majority of the decks didn't even use Mind Control
It is true that when Magic launched, Red and Green were weak colors and that didn't REALLY change until 97/98. That is a very long time at the bottom it's true, however that was in the infancy of CCGs - there was nothing to off of historically and there was far less of a reason to care. People just wanted new cool looking cards.
I don't think that holds as an argument as unless I am missing something - no 3-in-a-row series of MTG blocks since Alpha-Tempest have had the same problem as Priest has, there is no excuse.
The discrepancy of treatment by Blizzard towards shamans compared to priest/rogue is mind blowing.
I'm not a priest player, I'm a rogue main but we do have compassion for you priests.
We are lucky to have good classic set tempo cards that carry us because we get only unplayable slow garbage like you and blizzard keep giving us useless cards and more rng opponent's class cards -_-
Our only really board clear got nerfed right before wotog without any compensation contrary to what was promised. You lost your best and most reliable board clear to the wotog standart rotation without any compensation either.
When we ask for more defensive tools (our problem is lack of any defenses and survability, yours lack of early game and tempo cards) Ben brode aswers by telling us to play casino rogue...
When you ask for early game cards he gives you garbage situational and gimmicky effects.
We are not so different, both hated by the same people. I feel bad for your situation.
Let's unite in our common misery fellow priests and rogues. Let's get Ben brode replaced with somebody who actually cares about the balance of the classes and understands our stuggles and needs.
How hilarious. Complaining about the fact that you don't get enough respect when people like you are the ones that throw the game completely off balance. You wanna know why Blizzard doesn't care about your demands? Because the last time Blizzard did something about a class that everyone thought was complete trash, everyone just took one look at the changes and called the producers stupid for making such "powerful" cards. (In case you weren't aware, the class is Shaman.) You people should have been thankful for cards like Flamewreathed Faceless, Thing From Below, Master of Evolution and Evolve, but no, all they got was loads of undeserved crap for trying to help. SO THE NEXT TIME YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT BLIZZARD DISRESPECTING YOU, THINK ABOUT ALL THE RESPECT YOU'VE SHOWN THEM YOU UNSATISFIABLE SIMPLETONS!!!
How hilarious. Complaining about the fact that you don't get enough respect when people like you are the ones that throw the game completely off balance. You wanna know why Blizzard doesn't care about your demands? Because the last time Blizzard did something about a class that everyone thought was complete trash, everyone just took one look at the changes and called the producers stupid for making such "powerful" cards. (In case you weren't aware, the class is Shaman.) You people should have been thankful for cards like Flamewreathed Faceless, Thing From Below, Master of Evolution and Evolve, but no, all they got was loads of undeserved crap for trying to help. SO THE NEXT TIME YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT BLIZZARD DISRESPECTING YOU, THINK ABOUT ALL THE RESPECT YOU'VE SHOWN THEM YOU UNSATISFIABLE SIMPLETONS!!!
Wow. Can't believe it took this long for someone to get it right.
Seriously whenever I hear people mention how to make Priest good again, I always hear either to fix the Classic and Basic cards, or just give them a few overpowered cards. I'd say they should fix the Classic/Basic Sets for all the classes and continue from there.
I think you are forgetting that the majority of the playerbase isn't represented on the forums. I'd be willing to bet that they get a lot of feedback that we do not see here, and that feedback may influence their decisions. They may not listen to the loud minority of the playerbase, but I wouldn't assume that means they ignore the playerbase altogether.
The feedback from those players is "aggro shaminz not smorc enough plz nerf taunt blizz"
The mechanism that could have helped Priest most was stealing minions on the battlefield from your opponent. Priest has never received another card to supplement Shadow Madness, Cabal Shadow Priest and Mind Control.
They have also never added any cards with any synergy with Shadowform.
It will be interesting, disgusting and amusing to hear Ben's defense of the crap they gave Priest. Even the streamers can't find anything positive to say about this mess. Kripp's Twitter feed is a hoot.
That's a really interesting idea, synergising with Shadowform. Or, even more damage dealing spot removal. Not sure what more we can do with card-stealing. Apparently that's "unfun" and "uninteractive". Then again, so is dying before turn 7.
people are stuck in their ways of thinking, always adding the same core of cards in their decks rarely doing major changes, keep crying to buff this goddamn class like they did with shaman, and then when it gets buffed they are crying like this guy... please just stop and learn a thing.. you don't know what is best for the game, you cannot even make it to r5 with a tier 3 deck... just stop and try build a new version of the class you love instead of crying to sweaty nerds on forums
Since Old Gods, there has been a countless number of attempts and builds that the Priest players have tried to make this class viable in Standard. There has been so many decks created from scratch and from creativity with lots of discussions in the past 3-4 months. When the meta settles down, Priest takes a seat in the trash tier looking at Warrior, Druid, Shaman, and Warlock on top. We don't just sit here complaining right now without putting in so much efforts and time. Look at what we got in return, the craps and the middle-finger treatment from Blizzard.
Priest players are not only the ones who are willing to spend their time interacting in the game instead of facing all the time, but also we are willing to spend the work and time building decks and making them work IF the cards are not so blatantly terrible and shitty.
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I think, we should just STOP playing Priest for a while. I'm super serious now! We need to show bbrode statistically that Priest are horrible, if they don't want to listen.
Ben Brode has repeatedly proven that he is an arrogant and cares nothing for the opinion of people who are clearly more experienced at the game.
He's just a PR buffoon who was given way too much power. The only thing we can do is hope that he has a falling out with whomever's d*ck he's sucking to stay in his position
I tried having fun once. It was awful.
There's probably a way to make priest work better than usual. Many pro streamers have piloted several priest decks in high ranks, so, it's possible to have a decent win rate at least.
people are stuck in their ways of thinking, always adding the same core of cards in their decks rarely doing major changes, keep crying to buff this goddamn class like they did with shaman, and then when it gets buffed they are crying like this guy... please just stop and learn a thing.. you don't know what is best for the game, you cannot even make it to r5 with a tier 3 deck... just stop and try build a new version of the class you love instead of crying to sweaty nerds on forums
This sums up perfectly what I've been thinking for months now and why I won't be buying this adventure. I had enough.
What amazes me the most is the undeserved respect and love for Ben Brode by the community. How can anyone possibly think he is competent enough for this game given all the crap he did and said?
Lol such a triggered crybaby. I've been having lots of fun with dragon priest in standard and it has all the early game you want: 1-mana 2/3, 2-mana 2/4 taunt, 3-mana 3/5, board clears, late game value. Sure some of those cards are neutral, but as we know with Gadgetzan Auctioneer and miracle rogue you don't always need class cards to rekt face
Simple solution guys, don't buy the adventure!! That's what I'm doing, and stop playing.
Let me change your mind...
Sure, Priest is in a bad spot. But the problem with the class as a whole is that its designed so poorly and 3 good cards in this adventure would not change that. Entomb, Mind Control, Cabal Shadow Priest etc are terribly unfun to play against, so I would say it's good for the game that Priests are so weak atm. However, I think a complete rework of the class would be a good idea to make it a class that won't make you rage whenever you encounter it by losing to your own damn minions. Priest as a class should be in Hearthstone, but it needs to be changed drastically. Until then, I actually hope Priest continues to get bad cards. Which is a shame.
Priest does NOT need new cards!! What Priest needs is a complete makeover because his classic and basic cardset are USELESS. He has no card draw, no combos, no adequate healing, no decent AoE, and his cards cost way too much for what they do. Out of Priest's entire arsenal of cards, Entomb and Mind Control are probably the only good ones, and that's not saying much, considering their cost to both mana and tempo.
I like to compare priest to Diablo 3 - no matter what new cards and new content they bring out, there is no way to fix him without changing the entire framework.
The only solution to Priest's problem is either fix the basic/classic decks or get rid of the Priest entirely and replace him with something else. At this point, I vote for the latter.
1) Priest was rarely used
2) A majority of the decks didn't even use Mind Control
It is true that when Magic launched, Red and Green were weak colors and that didn't REALLY change until 97/98. That is a very long time at the bottom it's true, however that was in the infancy of CCGs - there was nothing to off of historically and there was far less of a reason to care. People just wanted new cool looking cards.
I don't think that holds as an argument as unless I am missing something - no 3-in-a-row series of MTG blocks since Alpha-Tempest have had the same problem as Priest has, there is no excuse.
I, for one, am discussed with the lack of respect shown to proper word usage.
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The discrepancy of treatment by Blizzard towards shamans compared to priest/rogue is mind blowing.
I'm not a priest player, I'm a rogue main but we do have compassion for you priests.
We are lucky to have good classic set tempo cards that carry us because we get only unplayable slow garbage like you and blizzard keep giving us useless cards and more rng opponent's class cards -_-
Our only really board clear got nerfed right before wotog without any compensation contrary to what was promised. You lost your best and most reliable board clear to the wotog standart rotation without any compensation either.
When we ask for more defensive tools (our problem is lack of any defenses and survability, yours lack of early game and tempo cards) Ben brode aswers by telling us to play casino rogue...
When you ask for early game cards he gives you garbage situational and gimmicky effects.
We are not so different, both hated by the same people. I feel bad for your situation.
Let's unite in our common misery fellow priests and rogues. Let's get Ben brode replaced with somebody who actually cares about the balance of the classes and understands our stuggles and needs.
Let's make Priest and Rogue great again !
How hilarious. Complaining about the fact that you don't get enough respect when people like you are the ones that throw the game completely off balance. You wanna know why Blizzard doesn't care about your demands? Because the last time Blizzard did something about a class that everyone thought was complete trash, everyone just took one look at the changes and called the producers stupid for making such "powerful" cards. (In case you weren't aware, the class is Shaman.) You people should have been thankful for cards like Flamewreathed Faceless, Thing From Below, Master of Evolution and Evolve, but no, all they got was loads of undeserved crap for trying to help. SO THE NEXT TIME YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT BLIZZARD DISRESPECTING YOU, THINK ABOUT ALL THE RESPECT YOU'VE SHOWN THEM YOU UNSATISFIABLE SIMPLETONS!!!
That's a really interesting idea, synergising with Shadowform. Or, even more damage dealing spot removal. Not sure what more we can do with card-stealing. Apparently that's "unfun" and "uninteractive". Then again, so is dying before turn 7.
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