Oops? Blizzard Accidentally Reveals Some Balance Changes And Then Confirms Them
Blizzard accidentally pushed a patch live partially in Korea that had many of the Balance changes coming next week. Here's their reaction to this faux-pas.
Quote from BlizzardDue to a small oopsy-doopsy, a patch planned for next Tuesday was partially pushed early. Some clever sleuths were able to spot a handful of card changes before things were reverted, and I can confirm that the changes seen on live are accurate.
But, there's much more!
Quote from BlizzardWe're doing a small number of nerfs this patch.
- Vile Library loses the base +1/+1
- Stag Spirit Wildseed will make a 3/2 weapon Stagpoint Wildbow
- Snowfall Guardian becomes base 5/5 but no longer grows based on minions frozen
- Celestial Alignment will no longer affect the opponent
Quote from BlizzardIn Wild, Kobold Illusionist will cost 5 mana.
In addition to these nerfs, we're also doing a substantial number of buffs! Some of these have already been discoveredbut the majority of these buffs were likely not spotted.
- Edwin, Defias Kingpin will be a 3 mana 3/3
- Relic Vault to 2 mana
Quote from BlizzardFor the rest of the buffs, stay tuned for the patch notes early next week🙂Paladin, Demon Hunter, and Warrior fans should have a lot to look forward to.
I hope you all enjoyed our impromptu "preview"!
Kael'thas and From the Depths are not getting changed this patch.
— Aleco (@AlecoGereco) August 12, 2022
This set was very affordable for me. The onlly Legendary I wanted was Deniathrus and he was free.
It's nitce not having a bunch of quests or heroes that I feel I need to have.
why? whats so strange about that idea? lol It would hamstring the card for sure, but also turn it into a combo centered card.....maybe it would be too good as a DR compared to a Battlecry? Personally, I think it shouldnt be allowed to trigger more than once a game. allowing the battlecry to trigger from Macaw etc...feels really unfair and broken. If it was a DR, same thing. Priest could theoretically summon multiple copies. I think the initial 5 dmg should be all it does for second and multiple copies of denathrius. allowing shaman to play Macaw with Brann, is just wrong.
So what you're saying is the problem is Macaw. Again, you're angry at the wrong card.
how do you write this with a straight face
Cards like Celestial Alignment, Snowfall Guardian and Macaw are legendary card level power. Allowing two copies of such cards in a deck is just super broken. Macaw is basically bran but a lot more flexible and blizzard is allowing it to run two copies of it in a deck. Even if Macaw get nerfed to 5 mana, it's still gonna be strong.
just ban neptulon from wild
Does this mean that every card producing seeds will gonna be for full dust refund?Already was discussed earlier.
To add to this - you often leave board space for 2 or 3 minions on your side because no one wants to be board locked. The following turn they play snowfall No. 1. You play taunt minion (or whatever battlecry minion favourably impacts the board state). They freeze again. Repeat twice more (Birds) until you have no board space left and they have several massive minions which can all attack on the turn because of the way the freeze mechanic resolves.
You can't just ignore the massive minion once the board is frozen and you may not have the cards in hand to answer it with spells.
As I said somewhere else - I think the board wide (or even cheap/free single/multi) freeze mechanic is far too powerful (& cheap?) and fat too frequently used in a minion based game (which hearthstone fundamentaly is). It's possible to have minions frozen for upwards of 8 turns against a mage and shaman and most of the cards have little (or no) tempo loss to use. Super fun!
Even thou Microsoft has bought the company, they still keep the "Launch-OP CARDS - Nerf Scam" and still no FBI watch closely this issue.
The world need Cyberlaws urgent. it's the same scam, over and over again.
Announce OP cards - Tease with strategies seeing by far that is broken - force players to spend money to keep on crazy shit meta - Nerf crazy shit - Make players play another less crazy shit - nerf crazy shit again - close to next expansion most of decks are useless or just aggro stuff making the money and time u spent on this useless and dumb - Announce 35 cards additional with more crazy shit cards - Force u to spend money and time to build around it - nerf crazy shit all over again - Make u money worth shit and lots of cards bought to certain sterotypes dull and useless for one more year or even forever - PROFIT.
Why would you not run wildfire in any mage deck other than mech mage??? They do run it in the skeleton mage too! I'm watching a tournament right as I'm typing this where they're running it! They even run the freaking card in big spell mage. And once again, if they nerf cards and the meta's still bad, just nerf more lol. It's that simple. One of HS's problems is that they're too conservative about how they nerf cards now, and they only ever nerf the most problematic things. The Legends of Runeterra balance team is way better because they don't just nerf the best deck. They have the foresight to know that nerfing the best deck makes the 2nd best one the best.
Snowfall Guardian nerf is just too severe in my opinion. I think the problem people were having against it is they'd fill their board and save couple of spots free for future plays. Yes Shaman can hit you for a lot with Snowfall then followed by Macaw and then Macaw without giving you a chance to retaliate with minions but honestly it is your fault for making your board state like that.
Was Stag Spirit Wildseed and its weapon that good? In my experience it is usually the undesired one to have duplicates off. One is fine but once you start getting copies on the board it is really slow at waking up.
Celestial Alignment maybe this time the card is finally dead for good.
“but honestly it is your fault for making your board state like that.“ there are several reasons you would want to make the bored stat like that. In a Druid token deck the point is to fill the bored and then play a bored buffing card so you get very good benefits from the buffing cards mana and bored stat, all tho you will need to fill your bored several times to get this affect and it is tedious but it pays of when you get the buff, anyway the point is that you half to have a full bored to get the benefit. Second with many token decks you get benefits from minions dying so when all your minions diy your not to bummed because that was half of the point. In your comment you strongly implied that filing your bored is bad but in token decks that is literally the point.
Also in Murloc decks they to have a lot of bored buffing and you also want to play all you Murlocs so you yews them mor affectively and that should not be as big of a problem because your supposed to have ways to get more.
So basically you want to play cards when they glow green? No wonder you struggle against a card like Snowfall Guardian.
You are not playing a single player game here. If you overcommit then your opponent going to punish you with either freeze or AoE. If you want your minions to die then summon them when you have a chance for them to die.
I am positive you are the type of player that doesn’t learn anything from past games and you’d still complain about the nerfed Snowfall Guardian and Macaw until they rotate out and comes the next card that punish you for playing without thinking.
God…
I think the problem is the Macaw. It's power level for just 3 mana is super insane. I can leave a space on board to play around one freeze. But no deck can win against full board freeze for 3 turn straight, while the snowfall battlecry is growing it's stat every turn.
There are several decks that don’t care about their side of the board (aka control decks) and there are decks that actually pack hand disrupt, silence and/or polymorph
And there you go “full board” freeze. Maybe don’t make your board full? Imp Warlock for example can buff a single imp then send the majority of weak ones to die. A 4/4 snowfall guardian won’t kill you. Save a couple of taunts for the actual big one and you won’t die. Of course am reciting the perfect game scenario but you can’t go on playing every game with the mentality that full board is the perfect scenario everytime.
Yes there are several deck don't care about board development. What I'm saying is board control cards shouldn't auto win you the game. The similar card, the mage card Varden Dawngrasp is totally balance. It's a legendary card and can only run one copy of it in a deck. That is not the case with Snowfall.
Also, Snowfall freezing your own board doesn't even matter cause freezing already freezed minion doesn't stack. So clearly the advantage is on your side in multiple ways. I know it's a different class, but compare to Varden Dawngrasp(a legendary card) Snowfall is just way too powerfull as non legendary card.
Cards like Celestial Alignment, Snowfall Guardian and Macaw are legendary card level power. Allowing two copies of such cards running in a deck is super broken. Macaw is basically bran but a lot more flexible and blizzard is allowing it to run two copies of it in a deck. Even if Macaw get nerfed to 5 mana, it's still gonna be strong.
Um actually half of the things I sed in this comment are not true, tho every thing I sed about the Druid was true after that I messed up a bit. After a while I found I did not get the demon hunter necessarily rite (tell me I’m stupid right now if you want) because half of them are used on rush rite, ya that is the only reason rite, but than the next day I played my token hunter and felt kinda stupid because it brot back memory’s of the skill and tactics on playing a token hunter, apparently when I tweaked it with cards from the mor recent expansion I found it to be Quite good to, how could I hav forgotten such knowledge. Here are some of the things I learned just enough to explain why I was wrong, to understand better what I am about to say you’ll need to understand that it is not as much about filling your bored and mor about having a lot of minions circle thro your bored affectively. This means yes starting your tern of with lets say three minions and playing three mor, yews Fharaoh’s Wormask, yews too to kill a 6/6 minion and go face with the rest but there is mor to it than that. of course yes som of the minions diy instantly from rush but there is also something called deathratill minions, not only with these minions you can summon mor minions in the long run, ”hunted creeper being a good example” thus completing your Quest faster but also means if your deathratill minion dies your opponent hast to play or do something agen to get rid of the minions summoned by the deathratill minion thus increasing the chances of you having minions to potential go face next tern, yes yes you can get rid of it completely by playing a silence and destroy card but you get the point rite. I could go into mor detail on how all this works but I think I made the point I cam to make just fine.
That is like saying “Steamcleaner wasn’t a bad addition to the game because your not always going to draw it and it doesn’t delete the point of every deck, I know this is not always going to be the case but it can be as a justification for Steamcleaner. Now I know that isn’t necessarily all you sed you gave mor of an argument than that but you also speak as tho I know what is in my opponents hand when I do not, how am I supposed to know wether my opponent has a hex or a snowfall guardian how am I supposed to know wether one big minion is the best option or a bunch of small ones, a better way to deal with this is by summoning 5 1/2 minions over and over until until your opponent has no solutions for them any mor than your Druid can buff them and kick your opponents face.
It doesn't auto win you the game. I played my share of both sides and I managed to both win and lose on each side.
I don't know what is the point of bringing up Varden Dawngrasp exactly. Mage had access to two copies of Frost Nova all the way before the new Classic set was released to standard.
All your argument is telling me one thing: I don't want my opponent to have tools to retaliate against my auto pilot plan of playing cards when they glow green.
Please return back here to complain when you lose yet again against a 5/5 Snowfall Guardian followed by two 3/3 Macaws because you are stubborn enough not to think ahead about what your opponent next play is.