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Just leave the poor guy alone - really no need to start a thread to bring it up again...
We are talking about somebody who showed his junk on stream, not somebody who just had a personal tragedy. About one of those you can laugh without feeling bad about the other you should be respectful.
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BGH can kill 21 legendaries (not counting tokens, enraged Grom, pumped-up Bolvar, or extra-headed Gahz'rilla). By my count, there are 65 in total right now (soon to be 67 with Chromaggus and Nefarian).
Of course, most of them aren't played. Of the legendaries that are actually used (and I'm being very generous here, including some fringe cards and dragons that might see more play post-BRM), BGH kills ten (sometimes twelve): Deathwing, Alexstrasza, Mal’Ganis, Onyxia, Ragnaros, Baron Geddon, Dr. Boom, Neptulon, Velen, and Rend himself. Plus Grom if he's enraged or VanCleef if he gets really huge.
However, Grom and Velen usually only come down as a last-turn win condition, Geddon is a fringe card in only one deck, Neptulon is also extremely unusual, nobody plays VanCleef as an 8/8, and I sort of doubt Deathwing is actually going to see play. So really that's six cards: Alex, Mal'Ganis (warlock only), Ony (if she gets played), Rag, Dr. Boom, and Rend (if he gets played).
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3/2/3
Battlecry: If your opponent doesn't have this card in his deck, gain +2/+2.
It works like this:
it's really OP → every one takes it → it's not as OP as it looks → no one takes it → it's really OP →...
Not a native speaker, but discussion still welcomed.
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i just lost to a noob hunter with gahzhrilla!!!!!!!11!1! he didnt play nmad scfienteist or acran glomwm like i did!!1! he healed to times with healbot thing!!1!1! than he krilled mw with gahzrilla even thogh he was nerly dead!1!!1! DR.BOOM IS NOT OP BUT GAHZRILLA IS!!!!!!!!!!!!PLZ NERF GAHZRILLLLA
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People behave this way (farming) because of an incentive Blizzard put in the game, not because they are scumbags. They can earn this awesome thing by winning 500 ranked games with a class! Most people don't have time to earn those normally, so what's the quickest way to get them?
First thanks for your response and I don't think we'll get to common ground here, but the paragraph I cited is the crucial point for that, I think: Hearthstone is a game. You generally (unless you are really good, but then you don't farm for golden portraits at lvl20) cannot gain anything except fun from it. Admittedly, some people might get fun from having golden potraits, but generally they're useless gimmicks. So you're ruining your fun (as mentioned above, farming is not fun) and the fun of others to win a useless gimick that looks cool. And even that is not entirely true, since I always laugh my ass of when I encounter any golden portrait below rank 10 after half of the season: They normally just play terribly because they wasted game time to farm noobs for their shiny appearance.
So basically, yes, they are scumbags: They don't think of themselves that way, but hey, no one wakes up and says to him-/herself: Well, today I'm gonna be an asshole. They think they have their reasons and Blizzard is to blame, but those are just excuses for valueing an optical gimmick higher than playing the game and letting others play half of the price for you since you ruin other people's games. That's one definition of scumbag, whether they think it is or not.
Edit: And it's not remotely comparable with playing face hunter or mech mage. Aggro classes form the baseline of every competitive game: If you don't beat the aggro, your deck is slow and sometimes you cannot afford slowness. Sure, I don't get why people play face hunter in casual since playing to win ranks I can get, but playing that hard to win when there is nothing more to gain is quite strange, but I always assume they got one of the dailies. :) Also, at least you quickly now who wins... As a good limited card number player you often look good against farmers until turn 7 and then are bombarded with top tier legendaries...
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From my experience with my f2p-account on NA, there are tons of farmers in rk19/18. Whenever I see that, I rope them... Way to teach manners.
Remember that for every few games they win, they have to concede a few to keep from climbing ranks. So they give out as many free wins to opponents as they win themselves, if not more (because of bonus stars from win streaks).
Well, what if I (and I believe every player with limited access to cards) plays the game to play the game? Gold portrait farmers do the following to me: They give free wins to me, bumping me up while they waste the queuing time. Thanks a lot for making me wait another matching processe. After that, I end up in higher ranks where I have to deal with Sylvanas on 6, Boom on 7 and Ragnaros on 8. Seriously, even my f2p-deck (2 weeks into playing!) is good enough to deal with 1-2 top-tier legendaries (mostly because the people playing lower ranks with those cards suck at playing), but not that many. Eventually I play games until turn 10 just to be crushed by the final Sneed's or something like that.
That happens until I'm back at the levels where I belong and where I meet the wanting-to-win farmers who crush me with fine-tuned meta decks until I'm back at 20. Then I may play 1-2 games against people with limited resources and it all begins again. Thanks very much for making around half of my games complete bullsh**. Winning without playing is as little fun as losing without having a chance because someone wants to have a golden portrait for his/her ego. So yeah, whenever I realize that my opponent is farming (playing up-to-date meta decks with legendaries around rank 20-18) I rope them hard: You have to draw the line somewhere and people destroying the gaming experience for others just because they are too bad at the game to get a worthless optical gimmick while following normal gameplay is way beyond my line.
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From my experience with my f2p-account on NA, there are tons of farmers in rk19/18. Whenever I see that, I rope them... Way to teach manners.
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If you're going for all 9, no offense, but I would just play the game as you normally would. Grinding wins is boring.
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It can take out weak minions in the early game, messing up aggro. The 5 health rarely matters when chow never really hits face, it's a strong play if you get it out in T1
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Quote from jottojilok »What baffles me is why hunter (of all types but mostly face aggro) gets so much flak but everyone just accepts that 14 dmg from a druid or more on turn 9 is normal and you move on, just seems odd that they both involve drawing the correct cards, can be stopped by taunts but one is hated and the other is just ''part of the game''.
Just for the record the only decks I hate playing against are ones that slow the game down to a crawl, eg control priest (not midrange) and freeze mage. That is mostly because I enjoy playing the game xD
druids are getting the FoN hate, too, just not that much. hunters can have ridiculous openings where you are at 15 or less HP by t3 and thats really hard to come back from.
pewrsonally, I just cant stand the hunter playstyle for more than a couple of games, Id rather spend 20 minutes playing an epic ctrl vs ctrl matchup that goes to fatigue than go 3-3 with a hunter in the same time
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I could see tinkmaster potentially being used in zoo as a mid/late game minion or maybe a frost mage or rush paladin, but those are more iffy. I don't play rush decks though, so idk. he could potentially be useful in a shaman deck early if your opponent has nothing on the board to transform a totem, or possibly late if the board is empty except for one big opposing minion (probably the only really ideal situation for him in any deck, any more), but most shaman decks have so little space (and already have some of the best removal in the game) that its really not worth it. (tl;dr - he's worthless :P)
rag will work in any mid-to-late-game deck
ETA: as for dusting tink - unless you're something of a collector (or think you just might use it in some goofy deck in casual or against friends), there's not really a whole lot of reason not to. I have one, and haven't dusted it, but that's just me.
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and its done! golden Priest is mine!! :D
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"Garrosh! You are not fit to rule the Horde!"
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Hart2D2? (or just Hartoo)
that's all I've got off the top of my head
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had this happen on my warrior against a mage a couple weeks ago
T1: mage plays Mirror Image. I pass.
T2: mage plays Mirror Image. I coin Frothing Berserker.
T3: mage plays a secret. I play Wild Pyromancer. Secret is Mirror Entity. I play Whirlwind, clear his board, and hit him in the face with my 16/2 Berserker.
I think that may have been as satisfying as the turn 3 Shaman kill I had once with double Dust Devil and Flametongue Totem. it may actually have been more unlikely than the Dust Devils surviving now that I think about it.
T1 Northshire Cleric followed by T2 Coin+Blademaster+Circle is always nice too (or T2 Wild Pyro+Coin+PW:S+Circle)
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I foresaw this!
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I don't care for Mind Vision. yeah it can tell you what they have in hand which can be a little (but rarely very) valuable, but the best case scenarios really aren't all that good. In one you fish for an early drop because you don't have one yourself (but you could have just included another early drop in your deck), but that's more of an ok-to-get-back-in-a-mulligan sort of situation rather than an oh-let's-keep-this-as-a-turn-1-play-because-that's-really-what-i-want-to-do-on-turn-1 type of situation. not ideal. and you probably get a stronger card if you wait, but at that point, again, you could add your own strong card in. I guess you can see that 1 card he's been holding onto, waiting for the right opportunity. but maybe he's been holding on to it because its junk. /shrug.
thoughtsteal I do like because it effectively gives you 31 cards, occasionally can get you a legendary (even a 2nd copy of one in your deck, as others have said. even though mind vision can technically do the same thing, its got less chance), and as others have said, other class cards sometimes synergize amazingly well with priest cards/hero power (again, technically mind vision can do this too, but you only get one chance rather than 2). however, I generally only play 1 in my decks because it is a tempo loss (like mind vision it can be an ok-to-play-on-turn-3-because-i-have-nothing-else-to-play, but that's not an ideal situation to be in a lot of the time), and there are just too many other cards I want to fit in anyway.
overall, the value of "let's see what's in their hand/deck" I think is a little overstated because of the rigidity of the meta. you usually can tell from the first couple turns anyway what they're playing. I'm not at all saying there's no value, and its certainly interesting, but when you get something surprising it usually means the deck's probably not all that formidable rather than the other way around, so the value of that information is inherently less.
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keeping in mind your limited card pool, I'd consider cutting the following:
Tauren Warrior (I'd grab another Sen'jin instead)
Novice Engineer (add a 2nd PW:S)
Dragonling Mechanic (I'd add Chillwind Yeti, Dark Iron Dwarf, or a 2nd Gurubashi)
Murloc Tidecaller (another Swamp Ooze perhaps)
possibly also Lord of the Arena and the Elven Archer (though the Archer can be used to trigger your gurubashi or worgen. I don't think LotA is as bad as a lot of people, but I'd probably take a Fen Creeper over it if you have it)
since I'm recommending you cut the Mechanic and Tidecaller, you might also consider cutting the Stormwind Champions, though those are fine. Boulderfist Ogre or Temple Enforcer (if you have it) would be possible replacements for either it or the Lord of the Arena
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if this is legit, it makes Pit Lord actually viable
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a very interesting variant indeed. illidan was the first legendary i pulled from a pack, and warlock was the first class i tried to make him work in (also tried him in mage with antonidas, and I still usually pop him in when I make a casual druid deck for a daily, but that's about it...), because he's a demon, but not in a handlock, as i didn't have the cards, and still don't have jaraxxus or the mountain giants...i might have to bump jaraxxus back up in my crafting priority list to try this out though.