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This post man. You can't beat aggro because you think its "vomitting checkers," LOL. Play some aggro to learn how to beat it. So much available control right now with low combo options. Try big shaman, res priest, nomi priest, warrior, control shaman, control palladin, conjuror mage, etc.
Tech in some anti-aggro cards and get gud.
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People say the meta is balanced. Maybe it's balanced between the classes, but it's not balanced between aggro and control. Every game is someone just vomiting cards, at least as far as what I'm seeing. I mean, I'm not trying to be bitchy, but I've never had less fun. I don't like playing against aggro, or playing aggro, and that's all I'm seeing. People play, play badly, make mistakes, and it doesn't really matter. A Shaman got me down to 2 health after I'd played only 2 turns. I realize that most of the game design is geared toward keeping everyone happy and making more money by minimizing the difference in wins and losses between skilled players and less skilled players, but this is just too much for me. I mean, I like the game and want to play it, but it's like I was playing chess and suddenly the rules of checkers were incorporated into the game.
If you like control, what is there besides warrior and conjuror mage? And then people are still going to play poorly and still beat you after a few turns because they vomited cards an were able to recognize some simple mechanics that a five-year-old could master. It's not as if you can't win with warrior or mage, but it takes a lot of work to try to survive aggro. And, much if the time, your opponent's just hyperactively vomiting and there's nothing you could do no matter how well you play... so, you work really hard for a win, and then lose the next game in a couple of minutes to someone who just threw out cards before you had any possible answer. I suppose I could play aggro too, and, then, if I have more skill than my opponent, I should do a little better, but it feels like such a waste of time playing aggro, like why would I play checkers if I wanted to play chess. I really don't see the enjoyment in it, but that's just me.
Hey, everyone's free to play and do whatever they want. It's just that I want to enjoy the game, but, most of the time I'm playing now I just feel bleh, like I just stepped in dog shit and feel, well, what can you do. But I guess everyone wins games, and money is made. If the game were like chess and a good player always beat a bad player, then many players would be petulant and quit the game I'm sure, because God forbid you should have to get better and earn what you get. I guess the chess analogy is off-the-mark, since this game is far from chess, but I keep thinking what if I was playing chess and a beginner could beat me almost 50% of the time because of the way the games was designed? I wouldn't play the game, that's for sure. So why do I play this? I have no idea. Whatever.
It seems there's a lot you don't understand about the game.
If you think aggro is ruining your ability to enjoy control, you are a very bad control player. The whole point of control is to destroy aggro. A good control deck contains tools to survive the initial onslaught, stabilize, and then exercise its win condition when aggro has run out of gas.
Maybe you think your midrange deck is a control deck, but it's not? Midrange often gets wrecked by aggro because it can't deal with the early threats. Or maybe you are mistaking your opponent's midrange deck for aggro? Control has trouble against midrange because the threats just keep coming and there's never a chance to stabilize.
For example, take the current Midrange Hunter. It does great against Warriors and the slower midrange decks like Mage, but it goes down hard against Zoolock, which is actually aggro in its current form. Mid Hunter also struggles against Tempo Rogue. (Tempo usually denotes a fast build somewhere between aggro and midrange.)
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Quote from willislau222 >>Definition of midrange deck from Gamepedia:
"A midrange deck is a type of deck somewhere between an aggro deck and a control deck in pace, seeking to attain victory during the midgame. Midrange decks generally try to control the board during the early game, before moving into a more aggressive role mid-game with medium-costing minions and spells, with the goal of winning before the late game. Midrange decks focus on cards with good overall value, for efficient trading, top decking and card advantage."
https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Midrange_deck
I've heard a lot of arguments between aggro druid and control warrior in ROS. How about midrange archetypes?
If it helps 'midrange' in hearthstone isn't 'midrange' in MTG. The closest thing to MTG midrange, I think, would be how Tempo decks work. It grabs the board early, then uses consistent pressure to keep control of the game until the opponent isn't able to hold on, then aims for the kill. Due to how the mechanics of hearthstone work, such decks are more quicker and aggressive than I bet you'd expect from MTG. Tempo is more tha nwilling to kill you early or midgame since there's attacker's advantage and so forth, but it's more than willing to keep the game going to late game.
Tempo Druid, in that case, would fit that definition, especially since it's literally using an 8 mana spell that fills the board and lets you play another 8 mana spell that fills the board. I'll be blunt, virtual slap anyone who can honestly call any deck with a double 8-drop play that doesn't end the game on play 'aggro' :P.
Sidenote 'Midrange' in hearthstone terms is different deck: an anti-control deck that focuses on not dying in the early game then pushing for a midgame push that goes off just as Control switches between defense and offense. Deathrattle Hunter of last rotation was a perfect example.
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Quote from JoshoPrime >>Quote from Almaniarra >>Quote from JoshoPrime >>Never again a year like it was the year of the mammoth, it was fun and i enjoied the cards, but the last 3 expansion had almost no impact and thas horrible in a game that suposely to feel fresh accros the expansions.
genn/baku had almost no impact on the meta ?
Ok...I said almost no impact, or 2-10 cards between 405 it's a good and refreshing meta across the year?, you must remember aswel that those 2 promoted almos no chages in their gameplans during the year of the raven which it's exactly the same as the year of the mammoth.
i was not about good and refreshing meta. I don't even really care the meta, tbh. I was just saying last 3 expansions also shaped the meta. The only stuff we were faced was Odd Paladin - Even Paladin - Odd Paladin - Even Paladin.
Btw, Gameplans during all of the heartstone seasons didn't ever changed once. It is same from beginning and there's nothing to do about this.
I can give you some examples if you want.
How can Hand lock in Vanilla and Even lock different from each other ?
Token Druid isn't still same with different minions from very beginning of the game ?
Wall Priest is a new thing ? C'mon.
Zoolock is still impactful archetype and it is from beta.
Nothing ever changed once. They all are illusions. We are still playing same gameplans with different looking cards.
So in the light of these, Join me on memes. The only true changing point of the game. Fun is not in competitive, believe me.
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So the people who don't enjoy reprints shouldn't voice their opinion because reprints are normal and it makes you sad ?
Some re used effect are very well done (Hecklebot, Rafaam) some are just boring, literal reprints (blastmaster boom) or just push further a broken archetype in Wild (Mass resurrection) . Many times Blizzard claimed that Standard format was supposed to feel fresh and new every rotation. It's not going to work if they just reprint core synergy cards of rotating archetypes.
I think it's a fair criticism and I'm sorry it makes you sad.
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1: Deathstalker Rexxar is by far the weakest card in Midrange hunter counted by "played" winrate. He simply does not fit with the gameplan of many hunter decks, but rather serves as a "plan B" which is often a dead card in your hand.
2: It is perfectly possible to both out-grind and out-tempo the zombie-beasts as a control deck!
3: All zombie beasts cost 2 more than printed as you have to make them with the heropower.
4: Deathstalker Rexxar was a WEAK card when released. His success has relied on other strong cards and synergies in the class.
5: Creating those beasts is FUN, and seeing what your opponent can come up with is often interresting as well imo.
6: He will rotate soon and is a much weaker card in Wild due to the bigger beast pool and many cheap beasts from previous expansions. Let him have his last moment in the sun along with the other DKs!
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Why exactly is he allowed to play in tournaments anyway?
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Only 5 cards to switch is not enough. U can‘t even take a Control and a Aggro Deck with this one choosen class. For example: if u play Aggro against Control, u are doomed anyway. To Switch only 5 cards in ur deck will not give u the possibility to defeat ur enemy. Ofc, a tec-card (or 5 of them) could be good against a very specific Deck like cthun. But i guess in 80+% of the Matches, ur 2. or 3. Deck doesnt matter.
Dont get me wrong: i realy hope this Feature will be great. After all a f2p-Player can only craft cards from one hero and can create 3 „different“ Decks realy easy. But how i already told u: it won‘t make sense in my opinion to only switch 5 cards.
Change my mind pls
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I think his point might be A why do they make stupid broken cards in the first place and B why don't blizz just directly nerf said cards instead of classics and anything else that makes the broken cards good.
The answer to A is, they don't think hard enough about the niche interactions with certain cards and they underestimate how much people will find a way to abuse things in a way they didn't expect
The answer to B is, they are always legendaries and they never want to give us dust back for anything more than a rare.
Breaking a deck using the "cheap" cards is their thing and it is a horrible business practice rather than nerfing the problem card directly
All you people with sarccy comments are obviously cool with having half your money wasted every expansion on cards that aren't what you paid for anymore. God knows why.
All they need to do is just design better cards in the first place or do far more testing with them before they are released, we all remember the Shudderwock debacle.
Stop lynching the guy because he disagrees with corporate/capitalist greed, we all should.
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You don't really want the meta to be based on the newest set right now.
The last two times the meta shifted according to the fall set was during Mean Streets and Kobolds. You know, when both Jade decks and Cubelock grew big then stayed big after rotation? Because the cards that made the decks strong were from a non-rotating set?
If Rumble knocked all of the DK and quest decks out of the way we would all be complaining by now about how the game is starting to get stale and groaning at how the same decks WILL remain after rotation.
The decks that are strong are based on last year's cards. This is the perfect time to have one last roll with them until they go away. Meanwhile, we have 2 YEARS to see what can be done with Rumble and boomsday. Hopefully they'll get their time. But not now. Now they can remain fun meme decks and Johnny dreams. Let them sleep till later on.
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A midrange deck makes it's big plays and big tempo minions in the midgame.. This is Turns 4-9. Usually before each player as all 10 mana.
The subtypes of midrange decks are
Mech hunter, Bomb Hunter, Beast Hunter. Mech Paladin.
Token Druid. Token Shaman.
Conjuer Mage, Silence Priest
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Well you gotta remember that the hunter based meta had 4 didn't hunter archetypes.
And you gotta remember that 3 of the Hunter decks were jokes and meme decks that were constantly buff over several expansions and we're underpowered to the point of going over 18 months without nerfs.
Deathrattle Hunter was unplayable until Paladin was nerfed twice. Spell hunter relied on a warped meta to shine. Beast Hunter was bad until RR. Secret Hunter was not a powerhouse alone until a bunch of decks got nerfed.
It most was a fluke. A perfect storm of one class have 4 tier 2, 3, and 4 decks sitting in the background and avoiding nerfs because it wasn't close to top tier. All due to the designers purposefully keeping broken cards out one class for years.
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But that's not the expansion. That's the rotation,
The issue is some people are more hyped for the rotation than the next expansion. Blizzard should not want this.
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I am saying that Blizzard is not hitting all their demographics. People who are hyped now would be hyped for anything.
If you want dat money cash cheddar cheese, you gotta appeal to a broad demo.
You need to reveal a Spike card, a Johnny card, a Timmy card, an aggro card, a mid-range card, a control card, a combo card.... a Druid card, a Hunter card.... a Warrior card etc etc well before release.
Or the unhyped might spend their money elsewhere. Especially if this is the first expansion of the year.
Rise of Shadows feels like an August expansion. Many People are more hyped about the rotation than the expansion. That's not good.
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It's less lazy and more uninspired
Look at the other first sets o' the year.
Look Out. It's the Old Gods. Giant 10 mana build around win conditions!!
Watch out! Legendary Quests! Complete the quest for an amazing reward! One for each class!! Adapt or Die!!
Were we go! Odd and Even decks! Build your deck in a certain way to get a hero power upgrade or discount! Plus Rush and Echo!!!
here's rafaam again. he's gonna steal stuff with togwaggle and dr boom. ummm he turns your removal into Gruul.
At least tell us what they are stealing!!! Or reveal 1 paladin card!!
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This feels more Challenge of the Superfriends that Infinty War
Rafaam: What more do you need?
Dr Boom: How about a fancy hat?
Rafaam: What?!
Hagatha: Reno and Finely have them? Swampwitch Hagatha want one too!
Dr. Boom: With a fancy hat, Dr. Boom will crush the Defenders of Dalaran.
Hagatha: CRUSH THEM!
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It's not a power problem.
It's a staleness problem.
Odd and Even decks are just old decks from Vanilla with the hero powers cranked up. It's Shockladin, Midrange Paladin, Handlock, Aggro Burn Mage, Control Mage, Midrange Shaman, Aggro Rogue etc just with souped up Hero powers.
So it's old decks with extra power that we've all seen and will keep seeing forever. No special themes. No new gimmicks. Just just a couple strong boring decks in the top meta.
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Rank 50 players. AKA the mobile strategy.
lizzard wants new and returning players to have full decks. But nerfing but not rotating Classic/Basic Joey the Newbie and Johnny Returner can still create Ramp Druid, Midrange Shaman, and Tempo Mage. All the cards are available and no Xs on their decks. And budget decks are available online for them.
They just won't beat anyone past rank 20. Their decks are too weak. In order to go past rank 20, you will need to buy or grind packs for Better Equality and Hunter's Mark 2.0. It's every collectable monster-evolution mobile game's strategy: You can beat Bronzes F2P. Silvers could be beaten if you are good. But to beat anyone in the Gold or better league you need to grind everyday or play. And you betterhope your deck isn't too good while relying of Classic card or it will be nerfed and you might have to start over.
The main differences between HS and P2W mobile games are that HS still wants people to afford it somewhat and aren't designing the game purely for profits. If cheap decks happen, they are allowed to roam free unless oppressive. That's why Hunter only took a minor nerf.
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"Uninteractive" refer to your deck's win condition
Clearing boards over and over doesn't matter. What matters is that the card the deck uses to win can be interacted with before they do their jobs.
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Deathstalker Rexxar was weak all of 2017.
It only was strong after
Pirate warrior rotated
Kazakus Priest Warlock, and Mage rotated
Murloc Paladin rotated
Jade decks rotated
Cubelock got nerfed
Odd Paladin got nerfed
Even Paladin got nerfed
All 7+ Druid decks got nerfed
Shudderwock Shaman got nerfed
Quest Rogue was nerfed again
Kingsbane Rogue got nerfed
Deathstalker Rexxar's absolute strength isn't that high. It's that most of the other decks rotated or were nerfed and dropped under it.