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Quote from Toribasher >>

My thoughts ...

1) Buff heroes are now trash (except C'tun due to Whelp Smuggler effect).
2) The best heroes despite what HSReplay says are probably Janice Barov, Silas Darkmoon, Reno Jackson, Flurgal.  Silas can do 10 discovers a game.  Reno just needs one "win the game" unit to make golden and potentially run away with the game.  Flurgal is out of control good.

Win The Game Units:
1) Impatient Doomsayer
2) Whelp Smuggler
3) Tarecgosa - the 4/4 dragon that keeps all combat buffs.  Divine shield from Selfless Hero or Nadina is a buff.  Crazy strong.
4) Dazzling Lightspawn - if you are going elementals, never get rid of even one of these.
5) Insatiable Ur'zul - the Tier 5 demon that eats Tavern minions itself.  You can get this to 100 health rather quickly with Impatient Doomsayer synergy.
6) Bigfernal - Tier 4 growing demon, synergy with Impatient Doomsayer.

For me, I can't quite see a way to make Beasts consistently work, but Illidan can do it.  Monsterous McCall and Leapfrogger plus Rivendare is so strong.  Pirates are hard to pull off, seems that the pirates really needed to win games are Tier 4 and higher -- I've seen some players use Reno Jackson on Tony Two-Tusk and create nightmarish Pirate boards.  Mechs can win, Holy Mecheral is great and Omega Buster is a broken strong Tier 6.

I don't see any Quillboar boards in the late game.

Master Nyugen is really good and really strong and quite fun, but he isn't quite the best hero.  Depending on what tribes are in the game, Jandice Barov's ability to manufacture triples multiple times or how Silas Darkmoon can both board flood and do countless discovers are better.  If murlocs are in the game, Flurgal is broken.

 I dont care what HSReplay says. There are 2 very broken heroes in game. Shudderwock with tokens is almost always autowin. Nguen is broken as hell. Noone in their right mind will pick Silas or Flurgal over it. 

Leapfrogger is just broken. Lvl 2 minion that is played over T6 Wolf is just stupid. Also the animations...

My suggestion to fix: remove shudderwock,

make Nguen random , not pick one, 

Leapfrogger cant buff minion that already has this dearhrattle. 

Impatient Doomsayer: Avenge(4)

And buff pirates. 

Quote from SpakMaster >>

great deck. I dont have cornelius so have been experimenting with Leatherworking Kit and Shan'do Wildclaw, they both work well. 

 Thank you! I have included both in earlier versions of the deck. What I found out was that Letherworking kit was fantastic once you got your beasts shuffled in and rolling. But before that it was a dead card in hand. Shan-do often too low value until you have many beasts in the deck. What I can suggest is that you can replace Cornelius + 3 mana buff card with 2 Voratious reader, they work quite well since you need lots of card draw and your deck is cheap 1 mana cards. 
If you want to use Leatherworking kits, I suggest you replace 3 mana beast with 2 mana 2/3 taunt beast (copy it when you draw), it is a good buff target and it works well defensively. But be careful to use it with Selective Breeder, as you only get 1 copy. 

Cool deck and cool idea man. Have you considered to run some tutor for Lady prestor? Like 5 mana 3/3 divine shield card?

Thank you. Hope you like it. Its fun, but its still not a tier 1-2 deck. Not sure this deck can get you to D5 or legend. Too many unfair decks around. 

I have BTW added a picture - example of a highroll on turn 5

Why Jewel of Nzoth? With meta we have you basically never will play it. Its too late and too slow. 

Improved the deck with adding the Meeting stones! Those are so great to play turn 1, can often generate you 2-3 minions, enabling Goldshire Gnoll very early. I am also experimenting with Bolner Hammerbeak. Can generate you lots of cards in the midgame. 

 Pretty terrible deck. Goes empty for cards quick, cant compete in tempo with quest mage and warlock. Dont waste your time 

Quote from ShadowAldrius >>

My *wishes*:

"Buffs":

Renew - Heal 4 instead of heal 3. 3 health for 2 mana is pathetic and I don't think the card is that busted at healing 4.
Apotheosis - +2/+2 and lifeseal for 4 mana.

Nerfs:

Incanter's Flow: Reduce the cost of the next 4 spells you draw.

Refreshing Spring Water: 5 mana. Draw 2 cards, if you draw a spell refresh 3 mana.

Gadgetzan Auctioneer - Just remove it from the core set. Replace it with... I dunno...  something mid-cost that generates some value.

Conviction - Bump it up to 2 mana.

Jewel kit - 2 charges instead of 3

Battlemaster - Battlecry: Give adjacent minions Windfury for this turn only

Remove Rockbiter Weapon from the Core Set. Replace it with I dunno, Totem Golem?

Doomhammer should probably have 5 charges instead of 8.

Stealer of Souls - First card drawn each turn costs health instead of mana.

Flesh GIant - Up to 10 mana

Darkglare - Probably up it's cost back up to 3 mana. Maybe make it a 2/2 or something stat inefficient too.

Warlock Quest - Add 2 health to every step of the quest. It's just too fast. There also just isn't enough risk involved with all the healing Warlock has.

Il'gynoth - Whenever your hero is healed through a lifesteal effect, deal 2 damage to the enemy hero. I don't like OTK DH at all. It's janky and dumb. 3 mana card.

I think that's all a good start.

 So you want to buff refreshing spring water? Also, the battlemaster change does nothing. Usually you are deadl the turn they play it

Quote from PetiteMouche >>

Quote from RomanKnight >>

WHo said agro is the most played archetype? I meet at least 50/50 in my ranks. 50% of people playing OTK decks. That is just crazy. You suggest me to play control to have a chance to crush Agro decks, and loose to 100% of OTK decks. So I already before I start playing should accept to have less then 50% WR? You think it is good situation when one archetype has 100% loose rate to several decks in meta. Meta right now leaves players no choice, that is the problem. We only have rock and paper now, no scissors. 

By your logic, we should nerf those top 10 decks since they have highest winrate? If you do that, OTK decks will be full meta. How fun will that be? You are not thinking more then 1 step forward. 

 What logic are you talking about ? By my logic meta is fine and nothing should be nerfed, aggro beats combo beats control beats aggro, business as usual

Who said aggro is the most played archetype ? Every meta ever

You do not have 0% winrate against quest decks as a control deck. Unless you can provide evidence for it, that's just bullshit. Evidence for 50% of your opponents being OTK would be nice too. Just in case you didn't know, quest mage and warlock aren't otk decks, at all. The fatigue warlock version kinda is but it's off meta so irrelevant.

Your choices are your own, meta does NOT force you to play aggro or quest. Hanbuff paladin is the third most powerful deck in the meta. Are you telling me this is an aggro deck ?

 

 

Firstly, I will not provide you any evidence, I am talking about my experience in my ranks (4000+ Legend). You can believe it or not, your choice. Control will have 0% WR against any combo deck right now unless they hit quest reward with mutanus or your opponent screwes up or disconnects. These cases are irrelevant, as they are very rare.

Secondly. Quest warlock and quest mage are OTK decks. They have the possibility to do it. They also can kill you turn 6+. That is just wrong. OTK decks before gathered their pieces for much longer time, thus other non-aggro decks had the possibility to do their stuff too. The common problem for all these decks now (Mage, Warlock, Rogue, DH) is that they all have a massive cost-reduction mechanic or mana-regeneration mechanics, combined with very cheap and efficient draw. In my opinion, mass-cost discount card in the game should be massacred with nerfs. THey are just not healthy for the game. 

Thirdly. If you call a possibility to choose ONE viable tempo deck - paladin (which also is an OTK deck BTW) a choice, you are just a troll. 

WHo said agro is the most played archetype? I meet at least 50/50 in my ranks. 50% of people playing OTK decks. That is just crazy. You suggest me to play control to have a chance to crush Agro decks, and loose to 100% of OTK decks. So I already before I start playing should accept to have less then 50% WR? You think it is good situation when one archetype has 100% loose rate to several decks in meta. Meta right now leaves players no choice, that is the problem. We only have rock and paper now, no scissors. 

By your logic, we should nerf those top 10 decks since they have highest winrate? If you do that, OTK decks will be full meta. How fun will that be? You are not thinking more then 1 step forward. 

Quote from PetiteMouche >>

 

Op do you still want to nerf incanter's flow, gadgetzan auctioneer and stealer of souls ? Cause they are nowhere to be seen in the best 10 decks of standard meta

Also going second with a questline deck seems to be a death sentence

 The only reason its not in top 10, its because all this are some kind of agro decks that kill you turn 6. That said, mage and warlock are main reason people cant play different versions of other classes, like control to crush these agro decks to oblivion. Also, those decks (+ OTK DH and OTK rogue) are the most boring trash decks to play against. You just sit and watch YOutube while your opponent plays 20 cards in a turn and doesnt actually care about what you do on your turn. 

It is sad that people still dont understand that the main reason we dont have rock-paper-scissors meta are those 4 stupid deck that restrict deck building opportunities for everybody. 

Quote from RomanKnight >>

Mage:
Flow - increase to 4 mana. Just destroy card. This is 2* Keleseth for mage only. Too good.
Quest - Gives +2 SPD.

Warlock:
Quest: +1 damage required for each step.
Stealer of souls: the next card you draw this turn costs HP

Paladin:
Conviction: +2 attack instead
Weapon: fix it so if you transform or destroy minion without damaging, it shouldnt trigger buff.

Rogue:
Octo-Bot: 1/3
Quest: 3 minions in first step

Shaman:
2/5 windfury guy - make it 2/4
Elem discount minion: make it 3/4

Neutral:
BG Battlemaster: 6 mana

This would help a lot. 

 Ow, forgot about my boy OTK DH that is incredibly stupid non-interactive deck. Dont know how to fix it, I just want it gone and destroyed. Mby HoF the demon. 

Mage:
Flow - increase to 4 mana. Just destroy card. This is 2* Keleseth for mage only. Too good.
Quest - Gives +2 SPD.

Warlock:
Quest: +1 damage required for each step.
Stealer of souls: the next card you draw this turn costs HP

Paladin:
Conviction: +2 attack instead
Weapon: fix it so if you transform or destroy minion without damaging, it shouldnt trigger buff.

Rogue:
Octo-Bot: 1/3
Quest: 3 minions in first step

Shaman:
2/5 windfury guy - make it 2/4
Elem discount minion: make it 3/4

Neutral:
BG Battlemaster: 6 mana

This would help a lot. 

Quote from tripzplash >>

Quote from RomanKnight >>

Quote from tripzplash >>

all class have 1 deck with atlast 60%+ win rate now 

 No. Priest & Warrior is very bad. Druid struggles too. 

this 3 class have 14 deck with 60%+ win rate so stop you self from trolling

 Where do you get this stats from? Your head? Have you played standard at all since expansion came? Where have you seen warrior or priest at all? 

Quote from tripzplash >>

all class have 1 deck with atlast 60%+ win rate now 

 No. Priest & Warrior is very bad. Druid struggles too.