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It's not an issue of power levels, it's an issue of bad game design. 

Shaman hero ability is cancer and is the main reason (in addition to tons of crappy overload cards) that Shaman is not playable. It could have been pick a totem baseline and still it would not make the class playable. 

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Just saying.  Anyone saying they beat this deck regularly is lying out their fanny. 

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Thanks :)

Here is my decklist. 

I mostly lose against Totem Shamans and Paladins I think. I don't have so much problems with Face Hunters and every control matchup is like 50/50. I also think that I do some missplays when I am playing but I try to avoid them every game. 

I think instead of being able to choose which totem you summon, Justicar should make totems summon as 1/3. Still random, just 1/3 instead of 0/2. 

I think that change would make Shaman a lot better. I always find that if my totem had at least a point of attack, I could've turned things around in certain situations much, much more than being able to pick which totem I want. 

Your power comes back on after a blackout with a cry of "I HAVE THE POOOWWWEEER!"

It also really depends on how long it takes you to grasp the differences between HS and many other CCG's. Took me a while to get used to the idea of not being able to interrupt the other players turn for example. 

Also the concept of value, I've found, is wildly different in Hearthstone than in games like MTG for example and it even differs quite heavily between Ladder and Arena. There are cards that are absolutely worthless on the ladder, but great in arena and vice versa. 

I think you need to have a decent understanding of how Hearthstone values cards, before trying to go competitive and I think you really only get that understanding through playing a buttload of games. I can explain to you why something like Piloted Shredder is a valuable card, but without you playing it and seeing it's value for yourself, I don't think that'll translate well to building a competitive deck.

Take out the Counter Spell and Effigy and replace with Mirror Entities.

You get drunk and instead of spending your money on a poor life choice tattoo you spend 2/3 of your bank balance on hearthstone cards you already have.

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That's because every second thread is a nerf thread. Nerfs are the worst things for competitive games and should only be used in the absolute worst case scenarios. Most of the time these threads are poorly worded, poorly thought out whines that need a nice plate of cheese to go with.

I will admit that I don't like nerf threads. I like the idea of coming up with cards to counter mechanics (which is what Blizzard has claimed they are trying to do before nerfing). CW armor isn't at a level where it NEEDS a counter, I just find it odd that it has no counter and I would love to see a card invented that interacted in this way.

It does have a direct counter. Literally any sort of damage. Potentially if you're expecting to face Control Warrior, you should tech in higher value minions/weapons and direct damage spells. The problem, like any deck, is that if you tech against armor you're gonna make yourself vulnerable to aggro.

I would not be opposed to certain tech cards that limit armor gain or penetrate armor to a limited extent but I don't really get this 'armor has no counter' argument.

I would also absolutely not agree with a card that removed all armor. To get to a reasonable amount of armor, disregarding the cost of hero power I have to spend at least 6 mana (2x Shield Block). You should not be able to remove all my armor with a 2 mana card. However when I have a lot of armor, I've likely spent at least 18 mana (2x Shield Block, 2x Shield Maiden) etc etc. 

Even with Armorsmith, I still have to invest the two mana, then the subsequent mana in other creatures and then even more mana to damage all those creatures with a Whirlwind or Death's Bite to generate that large armor amount. 

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I've tried to make threads about this before but have gotten only a few actual worthwhile arguments and the rest were just negativity.

That's because every second thread is a nerf thread. Nerfs are the worst things for competitive games and should only be used in the absolute worst case scenarios. Most of the time these threads are poorly worded, poorly thought out whines that need a nice plate of cheese to go with.

There is no issue with Warriors and armor. I play CW often and I play an armor heavy build (2x Shield Blocks, 2x Maidens, 1x Bash, 1x Armorsmith) and still get whooped regularly. People need to think more about their own play styles and what they can do to counter before coming in and yelling for nerfs.

Aggro destroy's me if I don't get the right draws. Handlock destroys me unless I get perfect draws. Dragon Priest is 50/50 depending on who gets the best draws late game. Secret Pally is 50/50 depending on when MC comes out. 

It's not an issue of power levels, it's an issue of bad game design. 

Shaman hero ability is cancer and is the main reason (in addition to tons of crappy overload cards) that Shaman is not playable. It could have been pick a totem baseline and still it would not make the class playable. 

Let this be a warning to all of you fatigue players in casual. I am here. I have basic cards. 
And I am not afraid to use them.

/end of pointless thread

You should use Wild Growth in most situations, since it's a guarantee empty mana crystal for next turn, it also depends on your hand, and if you have a 4 mana creature that you can play on the following turn. You have to consider warrior's having Fiery War Axe and other classes having their early board clears. But, through my experience, wild growth is just the better overall option. 

Yup. Even you you truly, deeply hate priest, you will still want to have a strong deck to complete dailies.

Besides, if you aren't enjoying a decklist, it is probably because you are losing, and if you are losing it is because you still don't totally understand the deck. Sideline it for a bit, and come back to it later. 

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I would also absolutely not agree with a card that removed all armor. To get to a reasonable amount of armor, disregarding the cost of hero power I have to spend at least 6 mana (2x Shield Block). You should not be able to remove all my armor with a 2 mana card. However when I have a lot of armor, I've likely spent at least 18 mana (2x Shield Block, 2x Shield Maiden) etc etc. 

To say that just because you invested mana into getting your armor up, I shouldn't be able to reduce it for less mana is an absurd argument. I might use two healbots to bump my health up to max. By your logic, Alextrasza would be broken for bringing it all the way back down and giving a better body. Similarly, I might buff up my weapon as a rogue with deadly poison x2 and tinker's. I've spent a total of 8 mana on it and you can use ooze for 2 mana to get rid of it. That's how counter cards work. If I flood the board with 7 minions and you brawl, it was my fault for not playing around it.

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Out of curiosity, why do you find it odd that it doesn't have a counter? Have they directly countered any of the other class mechanics? I haven't seen any "destroy all totems" or "Deal damage equal to the amount your opponent has healed this game" effects so I'm not sure why armor would be the one they single out. 

Yep! Priest's overhealing is countered by Alex and Rogue's weapon is countered by Ooze and Harrison. I understand that there are other ways to gain health and other ways to gain weapons, but there are also other ways to gain armor (Mage --> Ice Barrier, Druid --> Hero Power). Yes they aren't overly powerful but to look at armor as just some extra health isn't sensible. Shield Slam interacts with it positively. I think something should be able to interact with it negatively. I would say the same thing for totems. Have a totem counter card!

 

Those things aren't really comparable though. Alexstraza doesn't counter the Priest hero power as they get utility out of it by healing their creatures. Weapon destruction doesn't counter Rogue hero power because they have already gotten value out of it 90% of the time and even if you kill they can just re-equip for 2 mana. The Rogue example is particularly bad because you are countering a 2 mana investment with your card, not a 10 or 20+ mana investment as would be the case in Warrior (you could argue that you get value by destroying a weapon with a buff on it but at that point they almost certainly already used it to hit your face or kill something)

The Warrior hero power is unique in that it has the fewest uses in the game. Aside from Shield Slam, it doesn't do anything. It doesn't affect the board, it doesn't hurt your opponent. All it does is make you hardier. That's the only thing the Warrior hero power does. I think there's a fundamental problem with idea of a card that is potentially going to make it so hero powering for 5+ turns was the same as doing nothing. There is no other interaction like that in the game, so why would they start now?

Also I really wish people would stop bringing up Frost Barrier and the Druid hero power in these discussions, since they have actual nothing to do with it. No one is going to play the proposed card - in whatever form it takes - because it sometimes does something against freeze Mage and might hit a Druid for 2. The added utility is so small as to not be worth mentioning. 

my hand stares back at me tonight,

not a answer to be seen,

my game in desolation,

and winning becomes a dream.

i wish my opponent would never drew so fine

couldn't draw it out, heaven knows i tried

dont want them win, must not concede

so I b m, because the salt is real,

anger I feel,

must let them know

I must let it show and

rope it all, rope it all

can't hold it back anymore

rope it all, rope it all

and walk away from it all!

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Something different like playing a very powerful card that makes you skip next turn.

So a worse version of Overload?

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bought "a bunch" of packs. Im playing for 9 months, and only now can do a fully armed Control Warrior. Talk about Play to Win boys. Can't even complete Midrange Paladin yet... Classic Packs neverlucky.

Dude why you gotta come in here all salty? OP posts about how he set a goal and hit it this month and the first response to his thread is you complaining about how he bought some packs? Why?

In your follow-up post you make it sound like you "work harder" because you haven't spent money in the game. Don't think just because someone has spent money in the game they don't put the time and effort in to be good at it. It's simply a matter of valuing your time and for some people they would rather spend a little money vs. grinding out an extra 100 hours of game play. 

Nobody wants beast druid to happen because no one wants to admit that Hemet Nessingwary could ever be a useful card, ever.

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Hello Mr Sauce. I've been playing around with Dreadscale and Powershot in a Mid Range Hunter list, could you give me your opinion of both cards as well as this list? 

So far this season I've been struggling. Usually sit around Rank 9 but this season I've struggled to get below Rank 18. This deck so far has carried me back to Rank 10 without an issue.

I was running Argent Horserider in place of Dreadscale/Powershot which I think is what people are typically running at the moment, but I just didn't feel like I was getting any value out of it other than the odd two for one. 

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Minion (19) 1x Dr. Boom 1x Dreadscale 1x Loatheb 2x Knife Juggler 1x Ram Wrangler 2x Savannah Highmane 2x Haunted Creeper 1x Ironbeak Owl 2x Mad Scientist 2x Piloted Shredder 2x Webspinner 2x Houndmaster	Ability (9) 1x Powershot 2x Animal Companion 1x Explosive Trap 2x Freezing Trap 1x Quick Shot 2x Kill Command	Weapon (2) 2x Eaglehorn Bow
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The list is very solid. It takes refined elements of other decks and therefore is optimized quite well.

However, most midrange hunter lists I see run 1 hunters mark (in the place of the powershot) and 1 stranglethorn tiger for a consistent, stealthed 5/5 that sticks. The stealth is important because you run ram wrangler and houndmaster, and its very difficult to kill the tiger before your next turn. One of the problems I had when running midrange hunter last season, upon tgt release. Was that it was difficult to activate ram wrangler, and tiger compliments both houndmaster and wrangler. Tiger is also a 5 drop, and since the deck only has 2, adding in a 5 drop rounds out the curve.

That would of course just bring it to a "standard" list, but imo these cards work well in midrange hunter for the reasons listed above.

I hope this helped!

If you have more questions you can reply to this comment or pm me. Additionaly, if you are looking for a more analytical breakdown, i stream Tues-Sunday 7:30pm-12pm PST and answer a lot of questions there, as well as walk through all my plays of the different decks I play, and give reasons for various cards etc.

Thanks for posting!