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"For months, Mage players have gone all-in on one of two gameplans: throw burn spells at the opponent or clear the opponent’s minions again and again until Frost Lich Jaina wins the value game."
How about all-in on option bullshit: 5 random generated Ice blocks untill you can pull off your infinite damage combo.
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It's not the OTK that's an issue, it's the animation delay.
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Agreed, this deck isnt broken at all.. Almost any type of nerf to this archetype would deem shaman as useless as its been for about a year now.
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Let's be clear. The deck isn't broken. Watching 10 minutes of animations is broken. The deck has less than 50% WR and gets REKT by aggro. Watching Pally decks with a 70%+ WR and Cube lock with endless taunts, cheating huge cards on the board for free, and healing from single digits back to 30....those things are broken.
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My suspicion is that the whole testing and balance team uses a build with disabled or extremely fast animations, so that they can test more efficiently. That's how they missed the issue with Shudderwock. And of course none of them uses the mobile client more than absolutely necessary to test the mobile client itself. Otherwise they would have noticed that Echo cards are really unfun on mobile. Try to play 5 Squashlings to heal your face once the rope starts burning.
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I don't understand everyone's issue with Shudderwock, I have been playing aggro warrior and elemental mage and have barely lost to a shaman. My warrior deck is 14-1 and mage is 11-2 against them. There are more issues than this. I think that the power lvl of palidin needs to be addressed first. Animation time needs a fix but that's my opinion.
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Before they nerf Shudderwock, they should nerf Naga Sea Witch. I think that this is far more important than this.
But what needs to be fixed ASAP are the animation-times; it simply takes too long!
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42% winrate and you want a nerf? Get real. Change the animations so it doesn't take so long and allow concedes. Pally needs the nerf.
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I think it is important for decks to have counters so I hope they don't completely kill the ability to have an OTK deck. Shudderwock feels like it is intended to fill the Exodia mage slot in the meta (now that a lot of the random spell generation needed for the quest has rotated out). This type of Combo deck requires you to draw most of your deck while trying to stay alive and can be easily killed by a strong agro or midrange deck, but is an option if the meta is too control heavy. But, like Exodia Mage, this only works if the deck isn't too good.
The animations though .... how long will this go on ...
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Honestly, I don't think it's that meta-breaking yet. I mean, Cubelock can face you with three charge 5/7s as early as turn 6 - that's meta-breaking, and it did dominate the previous meta.
Just speed up the animations, people can already kill Shudderwock Shaman before it does its combo anyway.
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quest rogue. druid class in both standard and wild. i know priest isnt too good atm but psychic scream makes me want to throw my computer out a window lmao.
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armor is the way some classes heal out of range. it just seems silly. it's like having a card that just removes all your opponents life a.k.a. win the game. also unless you specifically play burn mage the card seems to not have much use. and to have a hard counter (armoring up) to burn strategies sounds very balanced to me.
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will still be capped at 20 with murmering???
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shudderwock doesn't stack. shutterwock ignores shutterwocks battlecry.
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he says 100% winrate about everydeck. it was day 1 and people were trying all kinds of slow clown fiesta decks for him to farm. the deck isn't anywhere near as strong as quest mage or quest rogue in their prime. as long as you're not playing something 100% reactive you should be able to win. which is very healthy for the meta to have decks that counter decks that do nothing but sit back and board clear, play taunts, heal, armor
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dude the deck is so bad. nothing close to even nerfed quest rogue or non ice block quest mage
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i haven't lost to it once. i even lost to quest rogue with pirate warrior a couple of times when that was popular. this is crazy how much hate this is getting. makes zero sense. like hello cubelock is a thing right now. i just got crushed by 5 cubelocks in a row
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we need decks that are control counters. a lot of other control killers also had a pretty good win rate against midrange, this doesn't. which i think single handedly makes it way more balanced. even the current nerfed quest rogue and non-ice block quest mage are on the same if not above the power level of this deck. we have a bigger issue called cubelock, which by the way destroys this deck.
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how can all you hypocrite control players hate on this? your decks remove all your opponents stuff/outheal/build a wall, until your opponent has no way to win. shudderwock decks are just as slow and it removes opponents stuff/outheals/builds a wall, until their opponent can't win. it's not anywhere near as fast as quest rogue was, or even is now. doesn't have anywhere near the stall quest mage had. it's only oppressive to the most greedy control decks who's win condition/play style is similar to shudderwock. a lot of other decks repress a larger variety of decks than shudderwock. i hated quest mage and quest rogue, this is nowhere near that power level.
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yeah. even nerfed quest rogue gets their combo way quicker, and start bashing you with 5/5 chargers. i think shudderwock is a counter to super greedy control decks, which is great. forces them to make less greedy deck building decisions instead of going for obvious greed and anti aggro cards. but quest mage, quest rogue quest warrior, raza priest, cubelock, jade druid, control lock, were/are all way more oppressive to a much larger amount of decks than shudderwock is.