Nearly every deck I see was ridden by some bloke to Legend and I have no idea how they do it. I sit here with my fancy decks and can't break rank 10. How do they do it?
Nearly every deck I see was ridden by some bloke to Legend and I have no idea how they do it. I sit here with my fancy decks and can't break rank 10. How do they do it?
For me it's honestly like playing on autopilot until roughly rank 4 or so. From there it takes a good bit of effort and concentration on my end. I've played enough where I pretty much know right away what the correct plays are for most classes at any given point, so it's like second nature.
I can see how it might look easy from the outside perspective, but I can assure you it rarely is. Sometimes you find that perfect balance of getting lucky and picking the right deck and you go 70% to legend, but usually it's a long grind to get there.
The perception that it's easy probably has something to do with the way people represent themselves. A lot of players will say it was easy because the community actively discourages saying you put hard work, time, and effort into doing anything in this game. For whatever reason, actually trying to improve and put forth effort tends to earn more scorn than anything else, so saying "I got to legend and it was easy, you guys are scrubs" is more a safer thing to say than "I worked really hard and grinded a ton of games and finally got legend!"
Long story short, it's probably going to take a time investment and a commitment to get to legend, just as it probably did for most other players.
It's not easy to hit legend, which is why the average player never does. To hit legend you have be experienced, skilled and dedicated. As LiveMorph said, everyone and their mom is running the same decks. By the time something hits the front page of HearthPwn, it's already old news. And personally, I've come the the conclusion that within reason, the deck itself doesn't really matter.
Mainly lots of time. Really that's all there is to it. As long as you can have a 50%+ win rate you will hit Legend at some point. Any other factors, such as RNG luck, which enemies you face, how much "skill" you have (and I use that term loosely, because HS isn't a particular skillful game) and draw luck etc only shorten the time you need.
Frustration is the greatest obstacle to reaching legend. People don't just win streak their way from 20 to legend. You will lose games, you will drop ranks. You need to be able to keep analyzing your deck and your play and making the adjustments necessary to improve and compete with whatever is happening in the meta. It's super easy to just shrug off losses as bad luck or bad matchups - and that will certainly be the case some of the time. You always need to look for things you could've done differently to give yourself a better chance of winning, even moreso when you're losing - otherwise you're just wasting your time, accomplishing nothing.
1. time. You simply need quite some time to get to legend
2. being somewhat good at the game. If you misplay a lot it's quite hard to keep a decent win rate (duh)
3. knowing not only your deck but also knowing the other decks on the ladder. If you play blind and don't have a decent understanding of what you opponent plays you'll probably run into every bait and you are easy abuse
4. finding the right deck. Some decks are just better then others. If you counter a big part of the ladder it's great. But theoretically you can get to legend with every deck if you are really good with it
5. having the right mind set. Getting to legend is grinding and really really frustrating. You have to man through losing streaks and losing ranks and keep the motivation up. that's one of the hardest ones.
6. be a bit lucky
7. it's not easy and it wont be fun the whole time.
People who hit legend pretty much every season do so because they have a huge amount of practice and for them it's easier.
The perception that it's easy probably has something to do with the way people represent themselves. A lot of players will say it was easy because the community actively discourages saying you put hard work, time, and effort into doing anything in this game. For whatever reason, actually trying to improve and put forth effort tends to earn more scorn than anything else, so saying "I got to legend and it was easy, you guys are scrubs" is more a safer thing to say than "I worked really hard and grinded a ton of games and finally got legend!"
Yeah. Everyone exaggerates on the internet. If your exaggeration is to say something was easier than it really was, there's really no comeback. "Actually, it's not that easy." "Maybe not for you, NOOB!"
There have been occasions when people exaggerate and say something was harder than it really was, in order to big-note themselves. But that's a very risky proposition, because you should expect a swarm of responses mocking you for finding it difficult, and telling you how easily they did it (note, of course, that they are also exaggerating).
At one point this season I was top 200 and I consider myself rubbish lol
Last 2 seasons with my mage deck ive been about 63-64% all up winrate, cruising to legend. With all other decks over 2 seasons im like 48W-46L. Pretty much 50/50. Awful.
Its not about a deck carrying you, rather finding the right deck for you so that it feels like it carries you.
I've been at least rank 5 every season so far. I've been legend once. This season, stuck at 7. It's getting harder as more players get better, and more players get a full card pool. That and it takes a lot of time and commitment. I've been spending time on other servers just to see what it's like, and I fly up to 15 with basic cards. After that level it becomes more skill based where one mistake will lose you the game. And some times you can play perfect and still lose, like when I faced 6 straight face hunters this morning :(
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I can see how it might look easy from the outside perspective, but I can assure you it rarely is. Sometimes you find that perfect balance of getting lucky and picking the right deck and you go 70% to legend, but usually it's a long grind to get there.
The perception that it's easy probably has something to do with the way people represent themselves. A lot of players will say it was easy because the community actively discourages saying you put hard work, time, and effort into doing anything in this game. For whatever reason, actually trying to improve and put forth effort tends to earn more scorn than anything else, so saying "I got to legend and it was easy, you guys are scrubs" is more a safer thing to say than "I worked really hard and grinded a ton of games and finally got legend!"
Long story short, it's probably going to take a time investment and a commitment to get to legend, just as it probably did for most other players.
Well put and a very keen observation. It's not just in HS, but see that happen in regard to a lot of gaming communities. I don't understand that culture, why people are ostracized for admitting it took them some real effort to achieve a high rank. It's like you have to play it off, in some macho tuff guy style "pff, it was nothing at all, easy peasy, nothing to see here" or be shunned. It's just a lie and then it confuses other players who don't know because they think "well this is supposed to be so easy, why can't I do it!? Am I really the worst player ever?".
I think some people also use that psychology as a way to put others down, like "Oh I'm just below average and I got to legendary EASY so if you didn't make legendary then you're just gutter trash noob". That's just bullshitting. Of course it's not easy. And, let's say you really are one of the 1% of truly talented players who can actually glide to legend without any trouble and barely playing a few games. That still doesn't mean making legendary is easy, it just means you are abnormally good at the game, rather you want to admit it or not. The proof is in the numbers, every season there's more and more players competing, with better and better decks. Legendary is getting harder and harder because unlike when this game 1st started, now everyone past rank 10 is pretty much competent to the meta and the workings of each class. Several million players, about 1500 legends... you do the math.
You've to keep in mind that they won't post the deck if it didn't made it to legend. The rest is just macho stuff like some people already said before me.
3:03:06 - there is the specific instruction you have to follow to hit legend. this guy did it in a winstreak from rank rank 6 straight to legend.
this is a video where he edited all the losses / getting the stars back. If he had such a win streak, he would start in the top 5 legends. Sjow actually had a crazy win streak pre gvg and started #1 because of it. Athene is just someone who tests to see how moronic people can be, no offense.
edit for those who don't believe me:
win to get to rank 2, 4 stars: leeroy was played, no quest toward "play 20 dudes that cost 5 or more", no more gold can be earned (100 done during the way), 1990 total gold.
the very next win, the quest exists, he gets 1 toward it, and start earning the wins to get more gold (1/3)
in between the games, we didn't not get the pop up saying that quest existed. his gold behind him is also over 2000.
Which means he got, by magic, at least 10 gold out of nowhere, a pop up quest that did not show: because it is not the same day. all he is doing is live commenting, that's why he sometimes say "i am going to play the kodo, and then doesn't, and they are like "i knew u were going to kill command" trying to save it lol.
also, just look at the wins towards gold, they don't add up at all xD when he becomes rank 1, he gets 1/3 win toward gold, again. He got it 2 games ago. same thing for rank 2, full stars. everytime it is the first win toward 1/3! LOL
Nearly every deck I see was ridden by some bloke to Legend and I have no idea how they do it. I sit here with my fancy decks and can't break rank 10. How do they do it?
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/224969-new-paladin-zerg-rush
the deck won't carry you, since everybody run the sameish decks.
<noscript>activate javascript</noscript>If you can't pass rank 10, the issue is with you, not with the deck, sorry.
For me it's honestly like playing on autopilot until roughly rank 4 or so. From there it takes a good bit of effort and concentration on my end. I've played enough where I pretty much know right away what the correct plays are for most classes at any given point, so it's like second nature.
I can see how it might look easy from the outside perspective, but I can assure you it rarely is. Sometimes you find that perfect balance of getting lucky and picking the right deck and you go 70% to legend, but usually it's a long grind to get there.
The perception that it's easy probably has something to do with the way people represent themselves. A lot of players will say it was easy because the community actively discourages saying you put hard work, time, and effort into doing anything in this game. For whatever reason, actually trying to improve and put forth effort tends to earn more scorn than anything else, so saying "I got to legend and it was easy, you guys are scrubs" is more a safer thing to say than "I worked really hard and grinded a ton of games and finally got legend!"
Long story short, it's probably going to take a time investment and a commitment to get to legend, just as it probably did for most other players.
Nothing doing, traveler.
It's not easy to hit legend, which is why the average player never does. To hit legend you have be experienced, skilled and dedicated. As LiveMorph said, everyone and their mom is running the same decks. By the time something hits the front page of HearthPwn, it's already old news. And personally, I've come the the conclusion that within reason, the deck itself doesn't really matter.
Mainly lots of time. Really that's all there is to it. As long as you can have a 50%+ win rate you will hit Legend at some point. Any other factors, such as RNG luck, which enemies you face, how much "skill" you have (and I use that term loosely, because HS isn't a particular skillful game) and draw luck etc only shorten the time you need.
Play a lot and you'll get there eventually.
edit: It's by no means "easy" tho.
Only few thousand boy get legend
Frustration is the greatest obstacle to reaching legend. People don't just win streak their way from 20 to legend. You will lose games, you will drop ranks. You need to be able to keep analyzing your deck and your play and making the adjustments necessary to improve and compete with whatever is happening in the meta. It's super easy to just shrug off losses as bad luck or bad matchups - and that will certainly be the case some of the time. You always need to look for things you could've done differently to give yourself a better chance of winning, even moreso when you're losing - otherwise you're just wasting your time, accomplishing nothing.
1. time. You simply need quite some time to get to legend
2. being somewhat good at the game. If you misplay a lot it's quite hard to keep a decent win rate (duh)
3. knowing not only your deck but also knowing the other decks on the ladder. If you play blind and don't have a decent understanding of what you opponent plays you'll probably run into every bait and you are easy abuse
4. finding the right deck. Some decks are just better then others. If you counter a big part of the ladder it's great. But theoretically you can get to legend with every deck if you are really good with it
5. having the right mind set. Getting to legend is grinding and really really frustrating. You have to man through losing streaks and losing ranks and keep the motivation up. that's one of the hardest ones.
6. be a bit lucky
7. it's not easy and it wont be fun the whole time.
People who hit legend pretty much every season do so because they have a huge amount of practice and for them it's easier.
Yeah. Everyone exaggerates on the internet. If your exaggeration is to say something was easier than it really was, there's really no comeback. "Actually, it's not that easy." "Maybe not for you, NOOB!"
There have been occasions when people exaggerate and say something was harder than it really was, in order to big-note themselves. But that's a very risky proposition, because you should expect a swarm of responses mocking you for finding it difficult, and telling you how easily they did it (note, of course, that they are also exaggerating).
At one point this season I was top 200 and I consider myself rubbish lol
Last 2 seasons with my mage deck ive been about 63-64% all up winrate, cruising to legend.
With all other decks over 2 seasons im like 48W-46L. Pretty much 50/50. Awful.
Its not about a deck carrying you, rather finding the right deck for you so that it feels like it carries you.
December rank 74 legend :)
I've been at least rank 5 every season so far. I've been legend once. This season, stuck at 7. It's getting harder as more players get better, and more players get a full card pool. That and it takes a lot of time and commitment. I've been spending time on other servers just to see what it's like, and I fly up to 15 with basic cards. After that level it becomes more skill based where one mistake will lose you the game. And some times you can play perfect and still lose, like when I faced 6 straight face hunters this morning :(
There are 3 kinds of people in the world. Those that can count and those that can't.
Well put and a very keen observation. It's not just in HS, but see that happen in regard to a lot of gaming communities. I don't understand that culture, why people are ostracized for admitting it took them some real effort to achieve a high rank. It's like you have to play it off, in some macho tuff guy style "pff, it was nothing at all, easy peasy, nothing to see here" or be shunned. It's just a lie and then it confuses other players who don't know because they think "well this is supposed to be so easy, why can't I do it!? Am I really the worst player ever?".
I think some people also use that psychology as a way to put others down, like "Oh I'm just below average and I got to legendary EASY so if you didn't make legendary then you're just gutter trash noob". That's just bullshitting. Of course it's not easy. And, let's say you really are one of the 1% of truly talented players who can actually glide to legend without any trouble and barely playing a few games. That still doesn't mean making legendary is easy, it just means you are abnormally good at the game, rather you want to admit it or not. The proof is in the numbers, every season there's more and more players competing, with better and better decks. Legendary is getting harder and harder because unlike when this game 1st started, now everyone past rank 10 is pretty much competent to the meta and the workings of each class. Several million players, about 1500 legends... you do the math.
What this guy said
Time is precious. Waste it wisely. Legend Seasons: 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17
Current deck: Not playing much anymore
Highest rank: legend rank 9 Highest finish: legend rank 103 Infinite Arena Player
You've to keep in mind that they won't post the deck if it didn't made it to legend. The rest is just macho stuff like some people already said before me.
Yes this one is pretty high on the list.
Starting to feel real good about my rank haha
December rank 74 legend :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esr1U8IiNyI
3:03:06 - there is the specific instruction you have to follow to hit legend. this guy did it in a winstreak from rank rank 6 straight to legend.
"The light shall burn you!" - heals face.
this is a video where he edited all the losses / getting the stars back. If he had such a win streak, he would start in the top 5 legends. Sjow actually had a crazy win streak pre gvg and started #1 because of it. Athene is just someone who tests to see how moronic people can be, no offense.
edit for those who don't believe me:
win to get to rank 2, 4 stars: leeroy was played, no quest toward "play 20 dudes that cost 5 or more", no more gold can be earned (100 done during the way), 1990 total gold.
the very next win, the quest exists, he gets 1 toward it, and start earning the wins to get more gold (1/3)
in between the games, we didn't not get the pop up saying that quest existed. his gold behind him is also over 2000.
Which means he got, by magic, at least 10 gold out of nowhere, a pop up quest that did not show: because it is not the same day. all he is doing is live commenting, that's why he sometimes say "i am going to play the kodo, and then doesn't, and they are like "i knew u were going to kill command" trying to save it lol.
also, just look at the wins towards gold, they don't add up at all xD when he becomes rank 1, he gets 1/3 win toward gold, again. He got it 2 games ago. same thing for rank 2, full stars. everytime it is the first win toward 1/3! LOL
He is just a role player, lol. I was on stream and it was almost unstoppable winstreak though. It's hearthstone after all.
"The light shall burn you!" - heals face.